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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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Hearty80

Spencer Brown wrote: »

6-12 months? You’re out of your mind.

Literally crazy, we will be queueing for food with our food stamps.......

drunkmonkey

Hope slapping people wearing gloves will be one of the new measures, it's a no no and masks aren't far behind them. A lot of useful information on newsnight tonight.
Sounds like were going to be rewarded if the numbers keep falling in ICU but at a quicker rate, contact tracing still a major problem though.

pjohnson

GazzaL wrote: »

You can get most things on the quiet. The pro-lockdown minority seemingly have no awareness of what's going on outside their homes in the real world.

If thats true why are the "open up" crowd so anxious?

If they can get most things why do they say its a "lockdown"?

Why do they say the economy is ruined if businesses are still making money?

Why do the "open up" crowd say they "have followed restrictions" if they havent been?

A lot of contradictions there Gaz! :pac:

easypazz

Spencer Brown wrote: »

6-12 months? You’re out of your mind.

6 weeks tops.

Except mass gatherings, sport, concerts etc.

Everything, including pubs, will be given a roadmap to open in some capacity within 6 weeks, with certain restrictions in place.

stephenjmcd

A decent set of clips to start the claire byrne show, showing clips of the CMO on the late late show saying he was optimistic and saying we were going in the right direction and now his press conferences from this week.

Any wonder why people are getting slightly annoyed regarding mixed messages ?

iamwhoiam

Gael23 wrote: »

Cillian De Gascun said earlier that test and trace was not a precondition of easing restrictions.
How many are in ICU at the moment?

Thanks I didn’t hear him . Feargal Bowers said it was one of the conditions along with numbers dropping etc

FintanMcluskey

pjohnson wrote: »

Why do they say the economy is ruined if businesses are still making money?

I have to ask you to explain this one to me, the company I work for have been extremely unlucky to been hemoraging liquidity at an alarming rate

The Belly

Few weeks tops gov know it anymore and there will be bigger problems then covid.

GazzaL

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

This is no longer beneficial to the health of the nation. 1700 empty private hospital beds, a caller on Ivan Yates had bowel surgery cancelled and had to reinstall his bowel everyday himself with incredible suffering since his surgery was cancelled in March. Thousands have had surgeries and treatments cancelled and this is veiled as the health benefit of the nation??? We are on a highway to the greatest health crisis ever witnessed in Ireland

It's genuinely frightening to think of all the people who are suffering with non-COVID illnesses at this time. I've been in one of the busiest hospitals in the country a few times since this all started and the place was deserted every time. We've gone from being overrun to being empty, and it's not because people have stopped becoming ill.

pjohnson

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

pjohnson wrote: »

Why do they say the economy is ruined if businesses are still making money?

I have to ask you to explain this one to me, the company I work for have been extremely unlucky to been hemoraging liquidity at an alarming rate

Hey its Gazza that said you can still get things on the quiet. Get him talking to your boss and you'll be sorted.

iamwhoiam

stephenjmcd wrote: »

A decent set of clips to start the claire byrne show, showing clips of the CMO on the late late show saying he was optimistic and saying we were going in the right direction and now his press conferences from this week.

Any wonder why people are getting slightly annoyed regarding mixed messages ?

My guess is it’s because the HSE dont have the trace and tracking in place

easypazz

pjohnson wrote: »

Hey its Gazza that said you can still get things on the quiet. Get him talking to your boss and you'll be sorted.

He asked you to backup your point. Are you afraid to?

Birdie Num Num

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I genuinely believe that we’re already killing more people than saving by staying in lockdown.

The same governments asking us to stay in lockdown now will be the ones hitting us hard with austerity budgets to pay the bill. The banks giving you a pay holiday now will be taken your house a year or so down the line if you don’t pay them back.

For most people, this country never fully recovered from 2008. The recession and austerity budgets that lie ahead will lead to way more deaths than Covid 19.

That’s without even mentioning all the people that have currently had important medical appointments cancelled.

Restrictions are fine. Lockdown is not.

We don’t have a lockdown. We have restrictions. What you say has some kind of merit but relax everything now and we could have lots of new cases / deaths from the virus plus all the economic damage and resulting deaths you describe.

Gael23

easypazz wrote: »

6 weeks tops.

Except mass gatherings, sport, concerts etc.

Everything, including pubs, will be given a roadmap to open in some capacity within 6 weeks, with certain restrictions in place.

They said every 2-3 weeks. So I’d be thinking over 6-12 weeks altogether.
Tony Holohan might just be being political to keep people reigned in from anticipating changes

pjohnson

easypazz wrote: »

He asked you to backup your point. Are you afraid to?

Its not a point its a question to Gazza. Its Gazza who claimed quiet business was goin on. I was asking Gazza if it was true then why the concern over the economy?

Its likely hes talking shìte but I'm curious how he answers. He knows of the secret business operations.

Penfailed

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Does this justify an an answer? Are you serious? Is transparency just not required in any form.? Just wait and see and perhaps some wet Monday in July Dr Tony will say Italy looks good so we will reopen barbers??

Transparency? They are going to make the announcement at some stage between Friday evening and Monday evening. It doesn't matter one iota when the announcement is. I can't understand people getting worked up about it.

Ellie1988

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

Yeah very true, more people will begin to question the government's decision to lead us down a blind path with no end in sight if they don't give us some kind of a plan as to how the current restrictions will be eased in the short and longer term.

Leo, Tony and co with the classic Irish "sure we'll see what the craic is closer to the time" mentality about giving up the next update

KrustyUCC

iamwhoiam wrote: »

My guess is it’s because the HSE dont have the trace and tracking in place

Possibly true

They've had the best part of two months to sort it by the 5th of May

Sad to think that and the mess up in nursing homes might hold us up

statesaver

easypazz wrote: »

6 weeks tops.

Except mass gatherings, sport, concerts etc.

Everything, including pubs, will be given a roadmap to open in some capacity within 6 weeks, with certain restrictions in place.

No. Pubs will NOT be open within 6 weeks.

Have you ever worked in a pub ?

FintanMcluskey

GazzaL wrote: »

It's genuinely frightening to think of all the people who are suffering with non-COVID illnesses at this time. I've been in one of the busiest hospitals in the country a few times since this all started and the place was deserted every time. We've gone from being overrun to being empty, and it's not because people have stopped becoming ill.

Under what dispensation were the private hospitals removed from service from those that pay for it, and the procedure's for their own health and life benefits cancelled, then putting those lives in danger, for those hospitals to then remain completely empty?

easypazz

pjohnson wrote: »

Its not a point its a question to Gazza. Its Gazza who claimed quiet business was goin on. I was asking Gazza if it was true then why the concern over the economy?

Its likely hes talking shìte but I'm curious how he answers. He knows of the secret business operations.

Do you think the economy is doing fine through all of this?

easypazz

statesaver wrote: »

No. Pubs will NOT be open within 6 weeks.

Have you ever worked in a pub ?

Pubs are opening in Italy on June 1st.

No reason for us not to open pubs in six weeks.

What difference would working in a pub or not make?

GazzaL

pjohnson wrote: »

If thats true why are the "open up" crowd so anxious?

If they can get most things why do they say its a "lockdown"?

Why do they say the economy is ruined if businesses are still making money?

Why do the "open up" crowd say they "have followed restrictions" if they havent been?

A lot of contradictions there Gaz! :pac:

No contradictions at all PJ. It is a lockdown, there are very restrictive measures in place (unless you're a traveller or from the 6 counties or abroad). Most businesses are not "making money", the volume of business that's being done isn't profitable, they're just trying to survive and generate some cash to help pay rent, rates, electricity, suppliers, etc. and look after their customers. The vast majority of people have complied with restrictions, although more and more people are starting to bend the rules. I think you probably understood this before you asked those questions.

The Belly

If it goes through the summer there wont be a pub left

JRant

gozunda wrote: »

Not to cast any doubt on your optimism but ...

Johan Giesecke - former Swedish state epidemiologist and current advisor to the World Health Organization

We can only wait and see really but we don't have to wait a year. The numbers are coming in on a daily basis. Social distancing, hand hygiene and personal responsibility are the cornerstones of what the Swedish have done and quite frankly what any sensible society will do once they get out the more severe restrictions.

I believe the initial round of severe restrictions were warranted as we didn't know how it would effect this country. It was the prudent thing to do. I also believe what we are doing now is a major mistake and is throwing the baby out with the bath water.

The leaders of this country should be promoting that message and not some scaremongering that a trip to see your family down the road is killing old people and health care workers.

Exercise caution, maintain distance where possible, regularly clean your hands, these are simple things we can all do that doesn't require over half the working people in this country to be out of work or supported by the government. These are things we know work. Shutting down entire countries for a disease with an IFR of between 0.1 and 0.5% seems a tad over the top to me. Add in the fact that their is absolutely no firm science behind the effectiveness of a lockdown and it's clear that "what can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence"

alwald

easypazz wrote: »

Do you think the economy is doing fine through all of this?

Ask the TD who got a haircut

Penfailed

The Belly wrote: »

If it goes through the summer there wont be a pub left

Yes. There will.

gozunda

GazzaL wrote: »

It's genuinely frightening to think of all the people who are suffering with non-COVID illnesses at this time. I've been in one of the busiest hospitals in the country a few times since this all started and the place was deserted every time."

So you've been in one of "busiest hospitals in the country a few times since this all started and the place was deserted every time. We've gone from being overrun to being empty "?

So you know this cos you were all over the hospital several times - even though hospital access is being restricted? Covid wards especially so.

You're not that woman turning up outside hospitals making mad conspiracy claims and posting about it on Twitter are you?

The Belly

Penfailed wrote: »

Yes. There will.

And how will they manage that?

kippy

Spencer Brown wrote: »

6-12 months? You’re out of your mind.

I dont think so.
Restrictions will be unwound over the next 6-12 months. There are a variety of restrictions in place, that will be unwound on a phased basis.
We already know gatherings of over 5000 people wont be happening till the end of August at the earliest. That restriction is at least 5 months away from being unwound.
Physical distancing of 2 meters isn't going to be advised against dropping any time in the next 6-12 months and that alone will have an impact on may other restrictions currently happening.

So yea, some restrictions will be relaxed from next week, but others will be unwound slowly and again depending on a number of variables.

If you can't see this coming you're gonna find it much more difficult to accept.