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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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Gael23

With a drop in deaths and new cases like today along with other countries pending up, I can’t see any way they can justify not easing measures and if they don’t people will anyway

pjohnson

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Oh, you're one of those.

Whats the angle?

Illuminati plot?
Free masons?
Lizard people?

Fantasising about some kind of peoples rebellion.

The usual basically that is due every year.

KrustyUCC

Why not?

Restrictions are up to Midnight 4th of May

These things are well known in advance as to when speeches will be made

NPHET will meet on Friday but the real decisions will be set in motion tomorrow

RTE etc are well tipped off in advance re speeches

Why not the public?

JeffKenna

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Ugh, you're one of those.

Whats the angle?

Illuminati plot?
Free masons?
Lizard people?
...

NWO

statesaver

easypazz wrote: »

They know the game is up so I expect it Monday night, just so they can get as much as they can out of their celebrity status.

Most things will start to reopen next week, either legally or via the back doors, hair salons, barbers etc.,

In fact its already happening.

Thes

Who is ' they ' ? Is there a conspiracy going on that I don't know about ?

Hair salons and barbers have no chance of opening even by the back door, I was surprised you didn't add pubs just for added trolling

Jizique

Augeo wrote: »

Restaurant sector is in trouble. They want VAT to 0% along with rates being reduced to zero for as long as the need to implement social distancing in their premises. ......... https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0427/1134970-covid19-coronavirus-restaurants/

- a call for a 0% rate of VAT for the duration of the crisis and the year after it, followed by a 9% rate for the next five years.

- banks to waive fees until a vaccine is found, as well as a moratorium on existing loan repayments and the application of ECB rates on loans.

- On insurance, it wants pay-outs assured for restaurants that have business interruption cover, along with forbearance and a guarantee that cover will not be suspended while firms are closed.

- In relation to rents, the RAI plan calls for new laws to protect commercial lease holders and an assurance that mortgage holidays would be passed through to lease holders by landlords.

This could also involve the Government supplementing rent payments for a period.

Regarding wages, the sector is seeking continued supports until a vaccine is found.

It is also seeking grants from Government to help firms with liquidity over the six months after they resume opening.

The RAI also wants a ban on utility companies cutting off services and seeking payments when restaurants are closed.

On the issue of rates, the plan envisages a write-off for restaurants and hospitality firms until a vaccine is found.

In order to encourage social distancing, the industry wants licenses for outdoor tables and chairs waived for a year.

Grants FFS!
Whatever merit one might find in an interest free loan which is ranks above all other creditors, there is zero justification for a grant.
Jay Bourke, that Sweeney chap and the Bang brothers are just a few of the resteraunteurs who have screwed their staff and creditors in recent years

Birdie Num Num

Spencer Brown wrote: »

What? I stated facts, it has nothing to do with where I live. Things spread more quickly in densely populated areas, that applies to culture and idea not just viruses. I’m not advocating different measures for different parts of the country, I’m merely stating that what is required in other countries isn’t necessarily right for Ireland. That applies to both stricter and laxer measures covering different things depending on what they are.

Is that not the case here in Ireland? Already different measures in place here than in other countries and different timings in adopting measures. So surely the lifting of restrictions should be treated similarly. Not necessarily lifting those restrictions or championing same because of what Spain or Italy has done.

LessOutragePlz

If they announce another 2 weeks of restrictions which I'm hoping they don't. Then they will need some sort of plan they can't just keep extending this lockdown indefinitely. Most people won't accept that, they need a plan of action and not just the usual line "that we'll evaluate the situation in another 2 weeks" that's simply not good enough.

easypazz

statesaver wrote: »

Who is ' they ' ? Is there a conspiracy going on that I don't know about ?

Hair salons and barbers have no chance of opening even by the back door, I was surprised you didn't add pubs just for added trolling

I know people who have made appointments and got hair cuts.

open barbers already got discussed here today.

Gael23

2Mad2BeMad wrote: »

will most likely be Monday, if they announce any ease in restrictions (which I think they won't) they won't want to do it friday just in time for the bank holiday weekend.

If they do ease restrictions it will probably be something so mundane thats eased just to give them another 2 weeks.

I'm not complaining about it, if it has to be done then so be it. But I understand the approach they are taking.
There is clearly to many people taking the piss, or at least enough people taking the mick to start a spread again.

Went by a checkpoint today just before the red cow junction. Alot of cars been turned around... its actually surprising because you'd think if you were going to take the piss and go out on a non essiantial drive you'd at least make up a bull**** story why your out.

What’s the justification not to. All we have been asked to do has been d one

iamwhoiam

Gael23 wrote: »

What’s the justification not to. All we have been asked to do has been d one

My guess is because the test and trace is not yet in place . If it’s for that reason people wil be rightly pissed off

[Deleted User]

easypazz wrote: »

I know people who have made appointments and got hair cuts.

open barbers already got discussed here today.

Was on UK radio was well today. Even had a mobile barber on, who was working away. Its the new black market....

[Deleted User]

I genuinely believe that we’re already killing more people than saving by staying in lockdown.

The same governments asking us to stay in lockdown now will be the ones hitting us hard with austerity budgets to pay the bill. The banks giving you a pay holiday now will be taken your house a year or so down the line if you don’t pay them back.

For most people, this country never fully recovered from 2008. The recession and austerity budgets that lie ahead will lead to way more deaths than Covid 19.

That’s without even mentioning all the people that have currently had important medical appointments cancelled.

Restrictions are fine. Lockdown is not.

Kermit.de.frog

easypazz wrote: »

I know people who have made appointments and got hair cuts.

Well that settles that. You know people who made appointments and got hair cuts in barber shops?

KrustyUCC

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

If they announce another 2 weeks of restrictions which I'm hoping they don't. Then they will need some sort of plan they can't just keep extending this lockdown indefinitely. Most people won't accept that, they need a plan of action and not just the usual line "that we'll evaluate the situation in another 2 weeks" that's simply not good enough.

According to today's Independent the plan is a road map that doesn't specify dates just that sets of restrictions might be rolled back "at the appropriate time"

What BS

The plan won't be specific so it's not really a plan

pjohnson

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Restrictions are fine. Lockdown is not.

Good thing Ireland has restrictions then.

pjohnson

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Well that settles that. You know people who made appointments and got hair cuts in barber shops?

Its surely WhatsApp verified.

jackboy

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

If they announce another 2 weeks of restrictions which I'm hoping they don't. Then they will need some sort of plan they can't just keep extending this lockdown indefinitely. Most people won't accept that, they need a plan of action and not just the usual line "that we'll evaluate the situation in another 2 weeks" that's simply not good enough.

You are correct but it pretty clear there is no plan. We are getting very close to the point where people will go against it.

Spencer Brown

pjohnson wrote: »

Good thing Ireland has restrictions then.

You’re such a smarmy pleb

gozunda

BillyBiggs wrote: »

Sweden will be one of the few countries with a high level of immunity in the community, which makes it easier for them going forward. When Ireland reopens there will be much less community immunity.

Not to cast any doubt on your optimism but ...

Only in a year from now can we know if the Swedish approach has been proven right,"

Johan Giesecke - former Swedish state epidemiologist and current advisor to the World Health Organization

Gael23

iamwhoiam wrote: »

My guess is because the test and trace is not yet in place . If it’s for that reason people wil be rightly pissed off

Cillian De Gascun said earlier that test and trace was not a precondition of easing restrictions.
How many are in ICU at the moment?

pjohnson

Spencer Brown wrote: »

You’re such a smarmy pleb

Thats not nice Spencer. You shouldnt be mean, you should know that given your concern for mental health.

Or your mask completely fell off.

LessOutragePlz

jackboy wrote: »

You are correct but it pretty clear there is no plan. We are getting very close to the point where people will go against it.

Yeah very true, more people will begin to question the government's decision to lead us down a blind path with no end in sight if they don't give us some kind of a plan as to how the current restrictions will be eased in the short and longer term.

Stark

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Gael23 wrote: »

What’s the justification not to. All we have been asked to do has been d one

My guess is because the test and trace is not yet in place . If it’s for that reason people wil be rightly pissed off

Don't worry. Plenty of anecdotal images (some of them photoshopped or taken this time last year) of people "crowding beauty stops", queued outside McDonald's etc. will flood the media pre-announcement to deflect from Government inaction.

Spencer Brown

pjohnson wrote: »

Thats not nice Spencer. You shouldnt be mean, you should know that given your concern for mental health.

Or your mask completely fell off.

ROFL

kippy

Gael23 wrote: »

With a drop in deaths and new cases like today along with other countries pending up, I can’t see any way they can justify not easing measures and if they don’t people will anyway

They will definitely ease measures in some areas/demographics after this week. No doubt about it.
But I'd doubt they will be eased enough to satisfy the cravings of a few people. Which is fine. You can't keep everyone happy all of the time, or even some of the time.
Restrictions will slowly be eased over the next 6 -12 months after that coupled with continued reviews based on bed and ICU capacity.
Some companies will continue with their own policies stricter than those from the state based on health and safety and business needs.

Some industries will be decimated in the short term, the country will borrow vast sums of money, people will get sick. People will die.

Very little of any of the above can I control.

Spencer Brown

kippy wrote: »

They will definitely ease measures in some areas/demographics after this week. No doubt about it.
But I'd doubt they will be eased enough to satisfy the cravings of a few people. Which is fine. You can't keep everyone happy all of the time, or even some of the time.
Restrictions will slowly be eased over the next 6 -12 months after that coupled with continued reviews based on bed and ICU capacity.
Some companies will continue with their own policies stricter than those from the state based on health and safety and business needs.

Some industries will be decimated in the short term, the country will borrow vast sums of money, people will get sick. People will die.

Very little of any of the above can I control.

6-12 months? You’re out of your mind.

Gael23

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

Yeah very true, more people will begin to question the government's decision to lead us down a blind path with no end in sight if they don't give us some kind of a plan as to how the current restrictions will be eased in the short and longer term.

I think that’s one of the problems. They don’t know how to do it

GazzaL

Deleted User wrote: »

Was on UK radio was well today. Even had a mobile barber on, who was working away. Its the new black market....

You can get most things on the quiet. The pro-lockdown minority seemingly have no awareness of what's going on outside their homes in the real world.

Gael23

kippy wrote: »

They will definitely ease measures in some areas/demographics after this week. No doubt about it.
But I'd doubt they will be eased enough to satisfy the cravings of a few people. Which is fine. You can't keep everyone happy all of the time, or even some of the time.
Restrictions will slowly be eased over the next 6 -12 months after that coupled with continued reviews based on bed and ICU capacity.
Some companies will continue with their own policies stricter than those from the state based on health and safety and business needs.

Some industries will be decimated in the short term, the country will borrow vast sums of money, people will get sick. People will die.

Very little of any of the above can I control.

As I said in an earlier post, people don’t expect lift to go back to the way it was before in one fell swoop but to be making steps along the road toward that