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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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Spencer Brown

ZX7R wrote: »

Interesting article on the rte news feed from an owner of a building site in ballymun.
O cohusing Cohusing alliance are disappointed they are not on the list of 35 housing developments that have been giving permission to restart works.
Sounds like there is a set of plans in place

Some social housing developments got the go ahead to recommence last week.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/work-resumes-at-just-three-social-housing-sites-in-dublin-city-1.4236260

This developer was annoyed about being left off that list.

[Deleted User]

Yes - changes, if true are like

"We don't really know what to do next, we're holding out for more time, hopefully the Germans or some other competent nation have a good plan that works and we can copy that one"

martingriff

road_high wrote: »

Neither of which are anything to crow about.

Cervical check I agree let's not be haste on all on the Corona virus yet. Big questions on nursing homes will have to be answered

road_high

NDWC wrote: »

I'd say increasing the limit to 5km would nearly annoy people more than keeping it at 2km

Would be no addition really, pointless window dressing

nj27

road_high wrote: »

Neither of which are anything to crow about.

More likely to be eating crow.

martingriff

road_high wrote: »

Yes must be dreadful with that salary etc.

He and his team will be measured by their performance ultimately on deaths- which is poor by any stretch of the imagination. I’m not into false idols, particularly in his case where there’s no justification

I don't think anyone idolized him just takes more faith in him then the many many experts here with the PHD in Health and experience. The plan should have been started to be released this weekend I agree but hell that be a green light for many here it seems to start doing whatever they wanted now. Some of us just can't be trusted

road_high

easypazz wrote: »

Agreed.

Gets to be a celebrity for a few months and hopes his legacy is how he handled this, rather than how he handled cervicalcheck.

Neither of which are anything to crow about.

easypazz

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

I know right, I mean the CMO must be delighted with the pandemic.. and having to make decisions in the moment on it, with the responsibility of same.

I'd say he's having the best few months of his life, no wonder so many absolute heroes like yourselves are lining up for the job.

Agreed.

Gets to be a celebrity for a few months and hopes his legacy is how he handled this, rather than how he handled cervicalcheck.

Deeper Blue

I'd say increasing the limit to 5km would nearly annoy people more than keeping it at 2km

ixoy

One month review seems very long and not in keeping with smaller incremental steps that other countries are taking.

ZX7R

Interesting article on the rte news feed from an owner of a building site in ballymun.
O cohusing Cohusing alliance are disappointed they are not on the list of 35 housing developments that have been giving permission to restart works.
Sounds like there is a set of plans in place

titan18

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Increasing the range to 5km won't happen, it's either 2k or no K, I mean is there an actual scientific rational behind this?

In the UK they say exercise once per day, doesn't say within 2km, is science different across the border?

I think in France or Italy, it was within 100m or something.

The 2k is an abritary limit that came out really, but it was done to stop the people rushing to beaches and mountains that happened back in the first weekend of the original restrictions. Loads of potentially sick people rushing from Dublin/Cork etc to villages on coasts just makes it harder to trace the sickness and increases the spread.

If people acted with some common sense, it'd be fine, but you know the first sign of sunshine, parks and beaches would be full of people and the virus would go crazy.

road_high

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

I know right, I mean the CMO must be delighted with the pandemic.. and having to make decisions in the moment on it, with the responsibility of same.

I'd say he's having the best few months of his life, no wonder so many absolute heroes like yourselves are lining up for the job.

Yes must be dreadful with that salary etc.

He and his team will be measured by their performance ultimately on deaths- which is poor by any stretch of the imagination. I’m not into false idols, particularly in his case where there’s no justification

richie_os

titan18 wrote: »

As plenty of people have said before the 2km, and then 5km is for exercise only. It refers to nothing else.

Below would seem to preclude you from visiting family/partner really, although no one is stopping anyone anyway.

It refers to freedom of movement. It states that you can exercise within 2km of your home. I am saying this needs to be removed for people to have their freedom of movement back, and be able to see loved ones.

alwald

glasso wrote: »

ok - supposed to have come from the civil service. take from it what you will. that's all I know.

but the changes are so incremental I'm not sure why someone would bother to fake it.

Very much says to me "We don't really know what to do next so 5km, waiting to see what the Germans do"

My understanding of increasing the travel limit to 5km and opening beaches/parks is to make sure that any potential spread of the virus is quickly localised and testing/contact tracing is done in a speedy manner.

1 month seems reasonable to assess any dangerous spike before moving to stage 2 of lifting restrictions.

I much prefer this approach than the Italian one as it's too rushed and more prone to failure.

Tenzor07

titan18 wrote: »

As plenty of people have said before the 2km, and then 5km is for exercise only. It refers to nothing else.
Below would seem to preclude you from visiting family/partner really, although no one is stopping anyone anyway.

Increasing the range to 5km won't happen, it's either 2k or no K, I mean is there an actual scientific rational behind this?

In the UK they say exercise once per day, doesn't say within 2km, is science different across the border?

easypazz

drunkmonkey wrote: »

So the beaches and parks are open but you can only go 5km. Or is that just limited to exercise, like I can take a flagging to the park if it's over 5km but I must sit on my hole and not break a sweat.
I think that's fake to be honest from listening to one of the doctors on newstalk this morning. I also think the advisory committee meet on a Tuesday not Monday.

100% fakenews.

martingriff

drunkmonkey wrote: »

So the beaches and parks are open but you can only go 5km. Or is that just limited to exercise, like I can take a flagging to the park if it's over 5km but I must sit on my hole and not break a sweat.
I think that's fake to be honest from listening to one of the doctors on newstalk this morning. I also think the advisory committee meet on a Tuesday not Monday.

I might think it's fake but I suppose with the parks and benches could be for those returning to work and going for walks at lunch. I also dont see how they could limit distance if shops and parks can be open. I agree with the incremental, we can see how others are going which unlike others I see nothing wrong with it

[Deleted User]

dePeatrick wrote: »

Another three weeks of restrictions and we will have this virus well and truly contained. This could give us the gap we need to contain the virus and get in with life as normal as is possible.

Lifting restrictions now will mean having to enforce them again within six weeks.

They said that 3 weeks ago too !!!

titan18

richie_os wrote: »

An increase to 5km would be a slap in the face for a lot of people. I live alone, and I have adhered completely to the restrictions but haven't seen my partner, or any friends or family since early March. I will be driving beyond the 5km after the 5th of May, while continuing social distancing.

As plenty of people have said before the 2km, and then 5km is for exercise only. It refers to nothing else.

Below would seem to preclude you from visiting family/partner really, although no one is stopping anyone anyway.

Ferris_Bueller

glasso wrote: »

ok - supposed to have come from the civil service. take from it what you will. that's all I know.

but the changes are so incremental I'm not sure why someone would bother to fake it.

Very much says to me "We don't really know what to do next so 5km, waiting to see what the Germans do"

If that was to be true I would find it difficult to take. A month seems excessive for what are such minor changes. I have been obedient of the restrictions so far but if they were to announce that ahead of May 5th I can say with certainty that I would end up breaking some of the restrictions.

drunkmonkey

glasso wrote: »

ok - supposed to have come from the civil service. take from it what you will. that's all I know.

but the changes are so incremental I'm not sure why someone would bother to fake it.

Very much says to me "We don't really know what to do next so 5km, waiting to see what the Germans do"

So the beaches and parks are open but you can only go 5km. Or is that just limited to exercise, like I can take a flagging to the park if it's over 5km but I must sit on my hole and not break a sweat.
I think that's fake to be honest from listening to one of the doctors on newstalk this morning. I also think the advisory committee meet on a Tuesday not Monday.

the kelt

glasso wrote: »

ok - supposed to have come from the civil service. take from it what you will. that's all I know.

but the changes are so incremental I'm not sure why someone would bother to fake it.

Very much says to me "We don't really know what to do next so 5km, waiting to see what the Germans do"

Who knows, that would be positive if the case although you would think there would be some reference to other business and trades etc.

Who knows?

richie_os

titan18 wrote: »

That would seem fair enough to me. Think hardware stores should include likes of electrical hardware too, so Harvey Norman/Currys etc could reopen then too.

An increase to 5km would be a slap in the face for a lot of people. I live alone, and I have adhered completely to the restrictions but haven't seen my partner, or any friends or family since early March. I will be driving beyond the 5km after the 5th of May, while continuing social distancing.

Tacitus Kilgore

easypazz wrote: »

I see on the RTE news feed that around the world the news is largely positive, deaths and new cases falling, businesses reopening.

The game is up for Cervicalcheck Holohan and his chums.

road_high wrote: »

Hope you’re right. They seem like dogs with a bone though, unwilling to let go or listen to more nuanced views.
Mustn’t be enough pressure on state finances (yet).

I know right, I mean the CMO must be delighted with the pandemic.. and having to make decisions in the moment on it, with the responsibility of same.

I'd say he's having the best few months of his life, no wonder so many absolute heroes like yourselves are lining up for the job.

titan18

glasso wrote: »

ok - supposed to have come from the civil service. take from it what you will. that's all I know.

but the changes are so incremental I'm not sure why someone would bother to fake it.

Very much says to me "We don't really know what to do next so 5km, waiting to see what the Germans do"

That would seem fair enough to me. Think hardware stores should include likes of electrical hardware too, so Harvey Norman/Currys etc could reopen then too.

Stark

This article is good https://quillette.com/2020/04/23/covid-19-superspreader-events-in-28-countries-critical-patterns-and-lessons/

Few people are looking for a return to free-for-all but with a data-driven approach we can selectively target high-risk activities while minimising large scale economic and social fallout.

Tbh, all the anecdotal bull**** about "more people out and about" is just that. People outdoors doesn't matter that much in the grand scheme of things.

road_high

easypazz wrote: »

I see on the RTE news feed that around the world the news is largely positive, deaths and new cases falling, businesses reopening.

The game is up for Cervicalcheck Holohan and his chums.

Hope you’re right. They seem like dogs with a bone though, unwilling to let go or listen to more nuanced views.
Mustn’t be enough pressure on state finances (yet).

easypazz

I see on the RTE news feed that around the world the news is largely positive, deaths and new cases falling, businesses reopening.

The game is up for Cervicalcheck Holohan and his chums.

[Deleted User]

ok - supposed to have come from the civil service. take from it what you will. that's all I know.

but the changes are so incremental I'm not sure why someone would bother to fake it.

Very much says to me "We don't really know what to do next so 5km, waiting to see what the Germans do"