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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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RugbyLad11 wrote: »

What town of just 150 has 200 holiday homes?

Or, how did "200 people" turn into "200 holiday homes", for that matter?

Though I am sure there are some families of 5 who when they go on holiday together - would love a house each

drunkmonkey

Here's the plan children...

On May 5th, an update on the restrictions will be given to the public with a roadmap for lifting the measures due to be published before that date.

Expect an update on the 4th as we can't be told before that incase we misbehave.

Coronavirus: Government admits growing frustration among public over restrictions (via @IrishTimes) https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/coronavirus-government-admits-growing-frustration-among-public-over-restrictions-1.4238890

is_that_so

the kelt wrote: »

Thanks for that, it seems the pressure by Vicky Phelan has worked.

Probably not. The CMO said the two meetings a week meant that some stuff had been given a slightly lower priority, like the publication of minutes.

drunkmonkey

seamus wrote: »

If 200 people leave a town of 20,000 and arrive at a town of 150, the negative impact on the latter is far greater than the positive impact on the former.

What costal location has 19,850 vacant holiday homes. None.

the kelt

is_that_so wrote: »

Probably not. The CMO said the two meetings a week meant that some stuff had been given a slightly lower priority, like the publication of minutes.

I just realised the link saying there are reports coming are for 2019!!

HeidiHeidi

drunkmonkey wrote: »

What costal location has 19,850 vacant holiday homes. None.

What??

the kelt

is_that_so wrote: »

Just NEPHT. They are coming and will be available. Latest ones here are 11 April, so now a two week delay.

https://www.gov.ie/en/collection/4abdb7-minutes-of-national-public-health-emergency-team-nphet-meetings-2019

Little bit more than 2 weeks delay it seems, that link is for 2019

Link below for 2020

https://www.gov.ie/en/collection/691330-national-public-health-emergency-team-covid-19-coronavirus/

is_that_so

Yeah wrong link I see.

dePeatrick

Another three weeks of restrictions and we will have this virus well and truly contained. This could give us the gap we need to contain the virus and get in with life as normal as is possible.

Lifting restrictions now will mean having to enforce them again within six weeks.

stephenjmcd

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Here's the plan children...

On May 5th, an update on the restrictions will be given to the public with a roadmap for lifting the measures due to be published before that date.

Expect an update on the 4th as we can't be told before that incase we misbehave.

Coronavirus: Government admits growing frustration among public over restrictions (via @IrishTimes) https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/coronavirus-government-admits-growing-frustration-among-public-over-restrictions-1.4238890

Paywall on that, what's the gist of the article do you know ?

Spencer Brown

omeara1113 wrote: »

I honestly think two more weeks will do no harm the health of people is more important than going for a few pints this is not the time to let up

I honestly think your post is moronic. It's not about pints FFS.

drunkmonkey

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Paywall on that, what's the gist of the article do you know ?

The public’s “patience and resolve” to comply with Covid-19 restrictions is “waning”, a senior government official has said, appealing for people to “keep going as best we can”.

Liz Canavan was speaking at the daily Covid-19 briefing at Government Buildings Monday morning, where she expressed concern at reports on social media “that some people are getting very fed up of the social distancing measures”.

“They’re feeling confined, they’re stuck in the house or local area, and they’re having to queue to get into shops. We do know how frustrating it is, and we know people’s patience and resolve is waning,” she said.

But she appealed to people to continue to observe the lockdown. “This is what is required of each and everyone of us at each step to delay the transmission of Covid-19. We know that call has not fallen on deaf ears so far . . . For now we just need to keep going as best we can,” Ms Canavan said.

Later, asked if the Government wished to dampen expectations of the restrictions being relaxed next week, Ms Canavan said they were guided by the public health advice in the first instance and the Chief Medical Officer Tony Holohan had previously issued the same message. It is not yet clear what actions would be taken next week, she indicated.

However, she said that the Government was very conscious of “anticipator behaviour”, where “people get ahead of where we need to be”. There is a danger that people will expect relaxation of the restrictions next week, and will begin to reduce their observation of social distancing over the coming weekend, she warned. On May 5th, an update on the restrictions will be given to the public with a roadmap for lifting the measures due to be published before that date.

is_that_so

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Paywall on that, what's the gist of the article do you know ?

Find her briefing today from RTE feed. It's all there.

stephenjmcd

is_that_so wrote: »

Find her briefing today from RTE feed. It's all there.

Ah ok thanks, didnt realise it was from that briefing. Cheers

LiquidZeb

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Or how about this? - We need to ease consequences and learn to live with restrictions

I'll ask the questions no one seems to be willing to answer. How can we sustain our health service and having 1/4 of our workforce on benefits along with every other expense indefinitely as you're proposing?

It's not sustainable and the ramifications of this would devastate this country for decades. The last 30 years of economic development would be wiped out. Although considering your earlier comments on borrowing and national debt I'd say this flies over your head.

facehugger99

DeVore wrote: »

Why do people continue to say the lockdown hasnt worked?!

Why do people say it has worked? Impossible to prove either way

It's amusing that the lockdown brigade take it on 100% faith that it's worked.

The only thing we can say with certainty about the lockdown is it has destroyed the economy.

road_high

facehugger99 wrote: »

Why do people say it has worked? Impossible to prove either way

It's amusing that the lockdown brigade take it on 100% faith that it's worked.

The only thing we can say with certainty about the lockdown is it has destroyed the economy.

Looking at the stats- our death rate is almost bang on with Sweden’s. Shocking in itself. If lockdown is so successful why are we as bad as a country that hasn’t?

Tacitus Kilgore

LiquidZeb wrote: »

I'll ask the questions no one seems to be willing to answer. How can we sustain our health service and having 1/4 of our workforce on benefits along with every other expense indefinitely as you're proposing?

It's not sustainable and the ramifications of this would devastate this country for decades. The last 30 years of economic development would be wiped out. Although considering your earlier comments on borrowing and national debt I'd say this flies over your head.

What am I proposing?

Tacitus Kilgore

road_high wrote: »

Looking at the stats- our death rate is almost bang on with Sweden’s. Shocking in itself. If lockdown is so successful why are we as bad as a country that hasn’t?

Do they record deaths the same way we do?

drunkmonkey

facehugger99 wrote: »

Why do people say it has worked? Impossible to prove either way

It's amusing that the lockdown brigade take it on 100% faith that it's worked.

The only thing we can say with certainty about the lockdown is it has destroyed the economy.

The lockdown brigade think it hasn't worked that's the way I'm reading it here anyway. They don't want restrictions lifted, I want restrictions on our borders but them lifted on most of the population.

Tacitus Kilgore

drunkmonkey wrote: »

The lockdown brigade think it hasn't worked that's the way I'm reading it here anyway. They don't want restrictions lifted, I want restrictions on our borders but them lifted on most of the population.

Is there a way of joining this lockdown brigade, or can donations be made? sounds like a valuable public service like the fire brigade

LiquidZeb

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

What am I proposing?

That we need to 'learn to live with the restrictions' with all the vagueness attached to that statement.

pjohnson

drunkmonkey wrote: »

The lockdown brigade think it hasn't worked that's the way I'm reading it here anyway.

So easypazz is actually part of the lockdown brigade?

We're through the looking glass now. This reframes everything.

Tacitus Kilgore

LiquidZeb wrote: »

That we need to 'learn to live with the restrictions' with all the vagueness attached to that statement.

'Twas but as pointless and vague as what it was responding to Zeb

Tacitus Kilgore

pjohnson wrote: »

So easypazz is actually part of the lockdown brigade?

We're through the looking glass now. This reframes everything.

Do lockdown brigade members have to pay for tolls then or what?

drunkmonkey

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Is there a way of joining this lockdown brigade, or can donations be made? sounds like a valuable public service like the fire brigade

There currently recruiting drone pilots and beachball counters.

joseywhales

easypazz wrote: »

So now the lockdown merchants are saying saving people in nursing homes takes priority over saving people who suffer mental breakdowns over their business collapsing.

Sick.

Tell me why the lives of people are not more important than the businesses of people? Is it because they are old?

Also noone said this only affects old people or people in nursing homes.

What Username Guidelines

I think the problem with going to lockdown and then seeing sweden having similar successes without a lockdown, is dialling us back to non-lockdown with social distancing. Because people are frustrated with lockdown there is a pressure valve that will be released with easing restrictions. People who dont follow news/info as attentively will think it's over completely and go back to no social distancing and visiting friends and family.

The other part is educating the entire population of the ramifications of relaxing. If they say for example you can have social gatherings with 4 people, a lot of people will push that and meet 4 different people every day and be smug how they're "getting away with it" or even think that it cannot be policed, when in reality it needs to be self-policed. In Sweden it appears they understand the importance of social distancing and protecting others and so do it automatically. At least from what I've read.

Overall though, while getting some people back to work will help the economy and social welfare bill, opening retail in limited capacity will be difficult and revenue will be impacted heavily. People buying a few pots of paint wont fund the health service, so I think we need to stop thinking about getting back to where we were but instead have new ways of thinking like generating revenue for business in new ways - heavy move to online, delivery, contactless collection, etc.

road_high

joseywhales wrote: »

Tell me why the lives of people are not more important than the businesses of people? Is it because they are old?

Also noone said this only affects old people or people in nursing homes.

For the hundredth time. Without business generating tax revenues- you don’t have the money to treat people.
Why is this such a struggle for some people to get?

Tacitus Kilgore

road_high wrote: »

For the hundredth time. Without business generating tax revenues- you don’t have the money to treat people.
Why is this such a struggle for some people to get?

Be grand, we can borrow (basically) an unlimited amount of makey-uppey money