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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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Acosta

It does seem that FG have returned to type and prefer to leak everything now. If they are to continue to spread important public information this way they might insist to their buddies in the media that it doesn't go behind a paywall.

Ashleigh1986

eggy81 wrote: »

Hopefully they open golf courses next week.
Ridiculous that them and certain other types of sports are not allowed at all. Yes limit numbers and keep bars and clubhouse shut if necessary. Open the feckin courses though.

.... Their fear was if 4 lads from 4 different households , rocked up to a golf course , in either the same car , or 4 different cars and than went home could they transmit the virus ?
I agree businesses need to reopen soon.
Schools need to stay closed .
Pubs also .
But it will soon be the summer and that time of year is so important to so many businesses especially golf courses .

polesheep

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Today's independent saying they might only change slightly but not an awful lot, goes on to say that sources say cases are too high in the community, which goes against everything that the CMO is saying daily, also worries over the HSE ability to do 100,000 tests a week. I'm sorry but that's not a proper reason to keep us all under restrictions, they've had weeks to prepare for this, again like you say I thought the initial response was excellent but now it's like faulty towers.

I really don't understand how anyone could have expected the HSE to be able to handle a pandemic. It has always been an incompetent organisation with a long history of failure. And the initial response - to ignore the nursing homes, lockdown the healthy and destroy the economy - was far from excellent.

pjohnson

Why do people cry out over the CMO being unelected?

Do people want others to only get their job by election instead of qualification?

easypazz

MarkY91 wrote: »

Have you ever heard of a supermarket?

It's a magical place that sells all of the above in the one building....

Grow up Mr. Lockdown nazi.

These businesses are open and people are allowed and encouraged to support them.

No rules are being broken, suck it up.

Irish Aris

drunkmonkey wrote: »

The times is reporting on what people want lifted with the restrictions, it's the 2km people want most, I can live with the rest but the limit on internal travel within the country has to be lifted. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/coronavirus-2km-limit-is-restriction-most-want-lifted-survey-finds-1.4238792?mode=amp
5km or 10km won't cut it, it needs to be a completely done away with. I promised the young fella last night we'd be catching crabs at the beach in 8 more sleeps and come hell or high water he'll be out with his fishing net and bucket.

I actually completed this survey from the Galway university.
There was a question where the survey asked me to put the restrictions in order of "what I want removed" and I put the 2km rule as the first I want gone.

The survey was a bit generic tbh - there were some questions about how I feel, but not going to any depth - to me it was like an opinion poll. I wonder though if anyone in a place of power considers anything like that - my guess is they don't

gormdubhgorm

I still think that there has to be care taken in the relaxation of restrictions (even though people are getting restless) as there are plenty of people with underlying conditions who cannot afford to get covid19.

seamus

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Because the governmern has no idea why the numbers aren't changing despite weeks of restrictions and have no idea how to handle this. Saying it publicly would cause panic and/or outcry.

That's not really the case though. The numbers are changing but it's always about the trend, not the day-to-day figures.

People have the idea in their heads that if the numbers ramp up quickly, then they should drop down quickly too.

When you implement mitigations, you don't bring the end faster, you stretch it out over much longer. This is the "flattening"

If we even take examples of countries that we say have done a good job on this; like Germany, you can see their new case/death numbers are following the same pattern as ours. They're dropping, but slowly, not rapidly.

One of the big things we're missing is reporting on numbers of recovered people. I expect this is purely down to a lack of resources. But it would help a lot if the CMO could tell us how many active cases we're still dealing with rather than the headline of the ever-increasing total.

pjohnson

Also not the least bit suprised a certain type are calling the gardai "sick bastards". That type likely has had many interactions with them in the past.

[Deleted User]

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Because everything on boards needs to be twisted into a "they're out to get us" narrative. Who "they" are is never entirely clear. The elected government are bad because sure they're all eejits. Anyone non elected is bad because why should we listen to anyone not elected, they're not the government.

Government bad. Non-government bad. Everyone bad.

Tbf the present government are unelected/caretaker

seamus

Deleted User wrote: »

Tbf the present government are unelected/caretaker

Which is it? "Unelected" and "caretaker" are two entirely different things.

The current government were very much elected.

Spencer Brown

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Because everything on boards needs to be twisted into a "they're out to get us" narrative. Who "they" are is never entirely clear. The elected government are bad because sure they're all eejits. Anyone non elected is bad because why should we listen to anyone not elected, they're not the government.

Government bad. Non-government bad. Everyone bad.

Bad? I don't think so. Personally I like to believe that most of our politicians are in the job because they genuinely care about making our country a better place to live.

Incompetent? Maybe.

Not as effective as we'd like to them to be? Definitely.

[Deleted User]

seamus wrote: »

Which is it? "Unelected" and "caretaker" are two entirely different things.

The current government were very much elected.

Their really not,afaik they need mandate from dail,which hasnt formally elected a taoiseach??

Also im nearly sure,some ministers failed to get reelected and this raises all sorts of issues around cabinet decision making and accountability??

A quick google tells me,its 10 ministers failed to get reelected

Ashleigh1986

As of 8:56 am 27/ 4 / 2020
Tests done 127,319
Cases 19,252
Deaths 1,087
Recovered 9,233
Active cases 8,942
Serious cases 142
.... Info from worldometers.info

the kelt

pjohnson wrote: »

Why do people cry out over the CMO being unelected?

Do people want others to only get their job by election instead of qualification?

Couldnt give a flying eff about the CMO being unelected, i do have issues with accountability and transparency between the CMO and the Minister for Health and the ordinary people.

Especially when theres a history of accountability and transparency issues in major scandals such as the Cervical Smear Scandal which involved the same CMO and same Minister for Health.

If others dont have any concerns then fair enough.

road_high

seamus wrote: »

Which is it? "Unelected" and "caretaker" are two entirely different things.

The current government were very much elected.

I voted for them but no I don’t think they have a mandate for what they are (not) doing. What’s more the opposition are so useless they aren’t capable of rational analysis of measures- which should happen in any healthy democracy

scamalert

seamus wrote: »

That's not really the case though. The numbers are changing but it's always about the trend, not the day-to-day figures.

People have the idea in their heads that if the numbers ramp up quickly, then they should drop down quickly too.

When you implement mitigations, you don't bring the end faster, you stretch it out over much longer. This is the "flattening"

If we even take examples of countries that we say have done a good job on this; like Germany, you can see their new case/death numbers are following the same pattern as ours. They're dropping, but slowly, not rapidly.

One of the big things we're missing is reporting on numbers of recovered people. I expect this is purely down to a lack of resources. But it would help a lot if the CMO could tell us how many active cases we're still dealing with rather than the headline of the ever-increasing total.

woldometer showed only over just 8k active cases yesterday. well over 9k recovered. yet not a single report from media, as if it was the case they wouldnt get ad click revenue, would be harder for government to pull more BS as well.

And yes many have died, but we dont live in utopia and with all the deaths numbers arent really out of proportion, Sweden done nothing and they have close numbers to ours, so age, underlying conditions, geographical spread and culture/population are big factors why some countries get ravaged others not so much.

is_that_so

Deleted User wrote: »

Their really not,afaik they need mandate from dail,which hasnt formally elected a taoiseach??

Also im nearly sure,some ministers failed to get reelected and this raises all sorts of issues around cabinet decision making and accountability??

A quick google tells me,its 10 ministers failed to get reelected

And the Constitution shows your personal unease about certain words and Google searches are wasted.

QuiteInterestin

MarkY91 wrote: »

Have you ever heard of a supermarket?

It's a magical place that sells all of the above in the one building....

If everyone does we're at risk of all our small local businesses going out of business. I still make the effort of getting my fruit and veg from the local fruit and veg shop and a few bits in my local shop as well as doing my weekly big shop in one of the supermarkets. Yes it's extra trips but I would hate to see these shops go out business at a time like this as unlike the bigger supermarkets, they can't afford reduced customer numbers

Hooked

eggy81 wrote: »

Hopefully they open golf courses next week.
Ridiculous that them and certain other types of sports are not allowed at all. Yes limit numbers and keep bars and clubhouse shut if necessary. Open the feckin courses though.

I feel the same about campsites (among other things)...

How much "more" danger am I in... in my camper with my wife and 2 dogs, on a campsite - keeping to ourselves, enjoying this weather? Like the "limit the numbers or close the clubhouse" response above - showers and camp kitchens (communal areas) could be shut or policed... Pay online. Shop before you go. Be smart.

Coz this "stay home and do nothing" approach is wearing very thin... the longer it goes on.

easypazz

QuiteInterestin wrote: »

If everyone does we're at risk of all our small local businesses going out of business. I still make the effort of getting my fruit and veg from the local fruit and veg shop and a few bits in my local shop as well as doing my weekly big shop in one of the supermarkets. Yes it's extra trips but I would hate to see these shops go out business at a time like this as unlike the bigger supermarkets, they can't afford reduced customer numbers

The nazis won't get that. All they want is maximum hardship for as long as possible.

namloc1980

easypazz wrote: »

The nazis won't get that. All they want is maximum hardship for as long as possible.

Are the Nazis involved now?

growleaves

Majority of restaurants could close without ‘supports’, claims industry association

Nine out of 10 restaurants face permanent closure with 120,000 jobs at risk unless major supports are put in place, the Restaurants Association of Ireland has warned.

road_high

growleaves wrote: »

Majority of restaurants could close without ‘supports’, claims industry association

There’s no money for supports. There won’t be money to pay social welfare. Everyone will be screaming for more funds from a vastly shrinking pot. Completely unsustainable situation

is_that_so

road_high wrote: »

There’s no money for supports. There won’t be money to pay social welfare. Everyone will be screaming for more funds from a vastly shrinking pot. Completely unsustainable situation

It's also a sign of journalist fatigue and the seeking out of other advocacy voices.

Acosta

Spencer Brown wrote: »

Personally I like to believe that most of our politicians are in the job because they genuinely care about making our country a better place to live.

I'd like to test that theory by putting them all on the average industrial wage. It would be interesting to see how many of them are interested in public service after that.

normanoffside

drunkmonkey wrote: »

There should be no backlash against the cmo it's not his doing,

It is his doing that he sent Covid Patients into Nursing homes and the let the virus spread there like wildfire by not screening or preparing the staff.
Most of the deaths we are seeing at the moment are directly his doing.

Despite this, people seem happy to accept his diktats as regards teh general public.
Unbelievable the sheep mentality of a lot of people.

facehugger99

Spencer Brown wrote: »

Bad? I don't think so. Personally I like to believe that most of our politicians are in the job because they genuinely care about making our country a better place to live.
.

I've met a good few in the course of my job.

There are some good ones but they are in the minority IMO.

Most of them are more concerned about votes than making the correct but unpopular decisions.

[Deleted User]

road_high wrote: »

There’s no money for supports. There won’t be money to pay social welfare. Everyone will be screaming for more funds from a vastly shrinking pot. Completely unsustainable situation

I wish more people could grasp this! But every time money / economy comes up somebody will say that lives are more important, without realizing how many more lives will be destroyed if we stick with this approach.

facehugger99

Deleted User wrote: »

I wish more people could grasp this! But every time money / economy comes up somebody will say that lives are more important, without realizing how many more lives will be destroyed if we stick with this approach.

In fairness it's provides a handy way for posters to self-identify as morons.