Penfailed wrote: » There are many ways. I've already explained that Italy had stricter policies. Banning exercise would be one way. You know all these things already. You are being obtuse. ...and no, I wouldn't be happy then. I'm not currently happy now. I accept the reasoning though.
DeanAustin wrote: » Leo has said there will be a plan being formulated that will be released in the coming days. I’m sure we can wait that long to see what it is. They are planning a way out of this. There is an element of everyone making this up as we go along because there are some unknowns about the virus. Singapore, arguably the best run society on the planet, had to reimpose restrictions because the virus came back in a second wave. That’s my point. It’s that there are unknowns that necessitate a reactionary response at times, not that the government are sitting around saying “ah **** it, we’ll just see how we go”. They quite clearly are planning but those plans will change because of the variables in the equation.
kippy wrote: » That's not what I said. You asked what other restrictions could be put in place..there's obviously numerous ones but keep moving the goal posts.
drunkmonkey wrote: » Trump banned flights from China before Leo, says it all really. He's also stopped immigration, again something Leo hasn't tackled yet, you know because strawberries. I like my strawberries but Leo is taking the preverbial by his inaction.
GazzaL wrote: » https://www.newstalk.com/news/drones-wexford-tourists-covid-19-1006019 Wexford County Council have been monitoring holiday parks etc. for 4 weeks so far and haven't found anyone to report to Gardai. I know they probably have nothing better to be doing at the moment, but is this being done at the taxpayer's expense?
normanoffside wrote: » It's not though. I'm not talking about gyms and changing rooms, I am talking about letting them outside into parks and streets while maintaining social distancing (with the amount of police they have on the streets, this could be easily policed). I have posted studies which show: Vitamin D has positive effects on survival of the disease There is no evidence of spread in small gatherings in outdoor environments . The lack of outdoor exposure for Italians (given that very few have houses or Gardens) is very likely to have damaged the health of the nation more thn it helped it.
easypazz wrote: » Such as? The list is below. You are on about flight bans, quarantine healthcare works etc. that will make no difference to Joe Public, except restrict fuel, which is pointless given travel is restricted anyway. The only reasons you can leave your home Stay at home in all circumstances, except in the following situations: to travel to and from work where the work is considered an essential service. The full list of essential services is available here working in an essential shop, bank or post office. The full list of essential shops, post offices and banks is available here to buy food, medicines and other health products for yourself, your family or someone who is vulnerable or 'cocooning' to attend medical appointments for vital family reasons including caring for children, elderly or vulnerable people but excluding social family visits to exercise within 2 kilometres of your house. You cannot exercise with people from outside your household
kippy wrote: » It's basic logic. Close gyms. Close parks reduce people's opportunities for social contact, the activities that take place in the areas will be hit badly. Outdoor exercise happens to be one. You don't need to be exercising for vitamin D, indeed there are vitamin D supplements available. You don't need to be out doors for exercise at all.... That said I can appreciate your standpoints. It's too soon for studies/evidence in a lot of these areas yet. The amount of cases they had in parts of Italy required what they did but if they had started a couple of weeks earlier they may not have needed the level.
kippy wrote: » Is Joe Public a healthcare worker or family of healthcare worker.....
easypazz wrote: » Already closed.
easypazz wrote: » No, healthcare workers are essential workers. Procedures are already in place for them, ppe, testing etc.
Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: » Again - going outside neither spreads the virus nor entails meeting up with people.
the kelt wrote: » Hopefully so and yes you are right, there are a number of situations where we will need a rapid reactionary response. Will we see a plan within the next few days though? I mean to date from Leo over the last few weeks I’ve seen there will be a plan to ease restrictions, there may be and there may be a 2/3 week extension as of yesterday! Meanwhile whilst Leo is talking about possible 2/3 week extension at the same time Simon Harris talking about slight easing and we were told on the 17th we had reached a plateau with the growth rate close to zero yet 4 days ago Leo said we weren’t at the peak. That’s my point, it’s all over the place. I hope your right and a plan is put in place because at the moment the mish mash of information and contradictory analysis is adding to the frustration. Let’s hope your right.
easypazz wrote: » Waste of time trying to engage with him. He can't find anything on the official list that can be changed (except ban exercise) which will affect Joe Public so keeps going off on tangents about travel bans, restrict fuel etc.
kippy wrote: » A more restrictive procedure would be to place them in quarentine away from their family. Is that more restrictive than what is in place currently. Yes or no.
DeanAustin wrote: » I think those are fair points. The message has been skewed over the last few weeks. Leo did definitively say to Miriam O’Callaghan the other night that a plan was being formulated and will be unveiled before May 5th and it would effectively be a “what if” plan that will allow us to see the way out of this “i.e. if x happens by y date, we’ll do this, if w happens we will do this”. If that isn’t forthcoming, his credibility will be shot to pieces. I never bought into the bouquets that were being thrown and Leo, Harris and Holohan at the start of this but I do also think some of the criticism now is a bit harsh. There has been a massive change in the general mood of people on here that I’ve seen recently compared to the first few weeks. Fingers crossed we both get what we want in the next few days.
kippy wrote: » And again, no one said it but there are enough idiots out there that don't understand the concept of social distancing and/or basic hygiene. The initial issue was that Italians should have been allowed outside to exercise. I say no. Because of the amount of cases in Italy and the likelihood of coming into contact directly or indirectly with the virus
kippy wrote: » Haha. No tangents here. Just trying to get down to your level and failing miserably.
easypazz wrote: » For the umpteenth time. Take a look at the list and tell me what further measures can be implemented to increase the lockdown on Joe Public. Apart from restricting exercise there is nothing else that can be done. And you have failed to come with one single thing. Restrict fuel supplies, ffs.
SNNUS wrote: » Maybe the army should go to every house and confiscate shoes.
normanoffside wrote: » Some people might go out in their bare feet and spread the virus on the footpaths. It might be better for them to cut off everyone’s legs.
