Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: » Again - going outside neither spreads the virus nor entails meeting up with people.
easypazz wrote: » No, healthcare workers are essential workers. Procedures are already in place for them, ppe, testing etc.
easypazz wrote: » Already closed.
kippy wrote: » Is Joe Public a healthcare worker or family of healthcare worker.....
kippy wrote: » It's basic logic. Close gyms. Close parks reduce people's opportunities for social contact, the activities that take place in the areas will be hit badly. Outdoor exercise happens to be one. You don't need to be exercising for vitamin D, indeed there are vitamin D supplements available. You don't need to be out doors for exercise at all.... That said I can appreciate your standpoints. It's too soon for studies/evidence in a lot of these areas yet. The amount of cases they had in parts of Italy required what they did but if they had started a couple of weeks earlier they may not have needed the level.
easypazz wrote: » Such as? The list is below. You are on about flight bans, quarantine healthcare works etc. that will make no difference to Joe Public, except restrict fuel, which is pointless given travel is restricted anyway. The only reasons you can leave your home Stay at home in all circumstances, except in the following situations: to travel to and from work where the work is considered an essential service. The full list of essential services is available here working in an essential shop, bank or post office. The full list of essential shops, post offices and banks is available here to buy food, medicines and other health products for yourself, your family or someone who is vulnerable or 'cocooning' to attend medical appointments for vital family reasons including caring for children, elderly or vulnerable people but excluding social family visits to exercise within 2 kilometres of your house. You cannot exercise with people from outside your household
normanoffside wrote: » It's not though. I'm not talking about gyms and changing rooms, I am talking about letting them outside into parks and streets while maintaining social distancing (with the amount of police they have on the streets, this could be easily policed). I have posted studies which show: Vitamin D has positive effects on survival of the disease There is no evidence of spread in small gatherings in outdoor environments . The lack of outdoor exposure for Italians (given that very few have houses or Gardens) is very likely to have damaged the health of the nation more thn it helped it.
GazzaL wrote: » https://www.newstalk.com/news/drones-wexford-tourists-covid-19-1006019 Wexford County Council have been monitoring holiday parks etc. for 4 weeks so far and haven't found anyone to report to Gardai. I know they probably have nothing better to be doing at the moment, but is this being done at the taxpayer's expense?
drunkmonkey wrote: » Trump banned flights from China before Leo, says it all really. He's also stopped immigration, again something Leo hasn't tackled yet, you know because strawberries. I like my strawberries but Leo is taking the preverbial by his inaction.
kippy wrote: » That's not what I said. You asked what other restrictions could be put in place..there's obviously numerous ones but keep moving the goal posts.
DeanAustin wrote: » Leo has said there will be a plan being formulated that will be released in the coming days. I’m sure we can wait that long to see what it is. They are planning a way out of this. There is an element of everyone making this up as we go along because there are some unknowns about the virus. Singapore, arguably the best run society on the planet, had to reimpose restrictions because the virus came back in a second wave. That’s my point. It’s that there are unknowns that necessitate a reactionary response at times, not that the government are sitting around saying “ah **** it, we’ll just see how we go”. They quite clearly are planning but those plans will change because of the variables in the equation.
Penfailed wrote: » There are many ways. I've already explained that Italy had stricter policies. Banning exercise would be one way. You know all these things already. You are being obtuse. ...and no, I wouldn't be happy then. I'm not currently happy now. I accept the reasoning though.
kippy wrote: » I don't disagree. But like 'work' there are certain environments and work practices that can be maintained in this new reality, others where some additional safeguards have to be put in place, and others that have to be stopped altogether.
kippy wrote: » As I said, am not suggesting they be enacted, just that they are all more restrictive than the current situation which is what the ever moving goalposts were set at. It's absolutely ludacris that restrictions and mandatory quarentine around international travel wasn't put in place months ago alright
kippy wrote: » Exercise itself isn't the issue. It's the social distance/contact with surfaces that causes the problems. The more people have the virus the more chance you have of picking it up in the community. Be it from places congregate, such as gyms, changing rooms, pitches etc. So reducing exercise options reduces the risk or people picking it up in the community. Obviously the more prevalent the virus is (as Italy) the more chance people going out for exercise will pick it up. Again. This is all basic logic.
easypazz wrote: » now you want to stop eating.
drunkmonkey wrote: » Sweet Jesus there now going to use drones to make sure nobody goes to their second homes. I presume they'll be given refunds when this is over to people paying mortgages on them. Drones are intrusive, I have one and don't use it for spying but I'm well aware of what an invasion of privacy they can be in the wrong hands.
easypazz wrote: » What are you on about now. If we couldn't go out for food we would all die. First you want to restrict fuel, now you want to stop eating.
easypazz wrote: » How? Ban exercise, would you be happy then?
kippy wrote: » Not being allowed outside the house for anything wouldn't make a bit of difference to Joe Public?
drunkmonkey wrote: » I don't agree with limiting fuel to people. All the other measure should have been implemented at the start of lockdown without question. Medical staff should no be returning to their homes in the community and neither should Guards, it's very harsh but their families are out and about. Plenty of accommodation available in nice locations for all these front lines.
easypazz wrote: » Some international travel is still essential for medical, repatriation, food supply, other than that none of us are allowed travel to an airport, you must have missed that. Doesn't affect any of who live here. Wouldn't change the lockdown conditions for Joe Public. We are only allowed make essential journeys anyway so this is silly. Pretty sure procedures are in place anyway, testing, ppe, COVID only ward etc. Again how would this affect lockdown conditions for Joe Public. Please continue, because so far not 1 of your proposals will make a blind bit of difference to Joe Publics lockdown conditions, as stated in the gov.ie list.
MadYaker wrote: » You're talking out your ring. How does restricting fuel reduce transmission of the virus????
prunudo wrote: » https://extra.ie/2020/04/26/news/irish-news/hse-patients-virus-care-homes/amp Presume this is what they were referring too, sounds shambolic. The mask is slipping on the handling of this situation.
MadYaker wrote: » Who are you going to be quarantining if you block all international travel? You're talking out your ring. How does restricting fuel reduce transmission of the virus????
kippy wrote: » Complete stoppage of international travel outside of goods.
kippy wrote: » A Mandatory 2 week quarentine of all incoming to the country.
kippy wrote: » Petrol and diesel restrictions for all but essential vehicles.
kippy wrote: » Mandatory quarentine of medical staff.
kippy wrote: » The list could go on.
kippy wrote: » Ah jesus. Complete stoppage of international travel outside of goods. Mandatory 2 week quarentine of all incoming to the country. Petrol and diesel restrictions for all but essential vehicles. Mandatory quarentine of medical staff. The list could go on.
Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: » How long is it now since the restrictions came in? and people were complyign with it for the most part? I've seen softer workdowns set up at the same time and with mild compliance at work fine. I still don't understand how people make the mistake of "going outside" means potentially spreading the virus. It doesn't. Meeting people spreads it. And you can get exercise without meeting people.
