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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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giveitholly wrote: »

Look after yourself Maggie and that post is a real eye opener to what is happening to a lot of people around the world but the lockdown merchants won't even think of someone in your situation,hope you get through this pandemic and come out stronger after it

Thanks. I know I'll be fine, I've been through worse. But there are thousands out there who aren't fine, who maybe aren't as strong. While I'm cracking up I always know I have a baseline and I stop myself going lower than that, its just not an option.
I have seen some awful stuff of the most abusive nature on Boards threads in the last few weeks, because some posters are saying they're not coping well. There has been a complete lack of empathy in understanding other people's experiences and their feelings of isolation and loneliness.

I hope everyone comes out of this with their mental health intact. I hope these lucky people posting how easy this is never learn the hard way how lucky they are in their "happy life" bubble. That was me once upon a time.

timmy_mallet

Benimar wrote: »

Do those of you who insist restrictions must be eased on the 5th (I’d like them to be but if they can’t I'll continue to comply) not see the benefit in coming down hard on those who are currently breaking restrictions?

I’m talking about those who aren’t social distancing, who are going into each other’s houses etc. Not those who go for a 2nd walk, stray 2.1km from home etc.

Surely the higher the compliance in the next 9 days, the more restrictions can be lifted?

Surely if those who aren't social distancing and going to each others house is as rampant as some suggest, then the restrictions are already lifted and the hospitilsarion rate isnt going anywhere bodes well for life getting back to a better normal.

growleaves

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Why ? Wards arent full in public hospitals. Private hospitals are lying empty which will cost the taxpayer 100s of millions

A Swedish epidemiologist made the point that the ICU capacity is not static and that Sweden had tripled their ICU capacity by mid-April. Are other countries not doing this as well?

BillyBiggs

Surely the higher the compliance in the next 9 days, the more restrictions can be lifted?[/quote]

Unfortunately that is only a lie we are being sold. The reopening date has little to do with people being responsible.

polesheep

Discodog wrote: »

I think a future lockdown is understandable if it proves necessary & people will accept it.

The checkpoints are pointless. All businesses, that can operate with distancing, should be allowed to open & the Gardai redeployed to ensure that distancing is being observed. The questioning of individuals is a total waste of time.

It's disappointing that the government seem dismissive about regional variations. It's crazy to shut down thousands of small businesses, companies etc in areas with low incidence of Covid. It's also crazy to use the Nursing Home figures as a rod to beat the rest of the country with.

The authorities are responsible for the nursing home situation. They told the nursing homes not to close to visitors and they failed to help the nursing homes to prepare (PPE etc.). They have been very subtly trying to shift the blame for this onto the people with their narrative of "look at all the people who are dying because you aren't staying at home." No one should buy into it. The authorities must own the responsibility for what's happening in the nursing homes.

timmy_mallet

Deleted User wrote: »

Thanks. I know I'll be fine, I've been through worse. But there are thousands out there who aren't fine, who maybe aren't as strong. While I'm cracking up I always know I have a baseline and I stop myself going lower than that, its just not an option.
I have seen some awful stuff of the most abusive nature on Boards threads in the last few weeks, because some posters are saying they're not coping well. There has been a complete lack of empathy in understanding other people's experiences and their feelings of isolation and loneliness.

I hope everyone comes out of this with their mental health intact. I hope these lucky people posting how easy this is never learn the hard way how lucky they are in their "happy life" bubble. That was me once upon a time.

"Youre just not sucking it up"
"Its only a few weeks, for God sake, 350 is great, get a life"
"I dont know why this has to be explained, but PEOPLE HAVE DIED from this horrible virus"
"You're not putting your selfish shoulder to the wheel. Selfish"

Later. Rinse. Repeat.

polesheep

BanditLuke wrote: »

Doesn't look like there will be any type of relaxation of restrictions on the 5th going by some of the comments from ministers the last few days as well as Tony and other high ranking HSE officials. Going to be tough for a few on here to take but take solace in the fact that they are the experts and we are all just hurlers on the ditch for Ireland.

Safe at home. Stay safe and support your HSE.

Is this the last sting of a dying wasp?

Longing

BillyBiggs wrote: »

Surely the higher the compliance in the next 9 days, the more restrictions can be lifted?

We will only see one restriction lifted at one time. Then a waiting period to see its OK then we move on to the next restriction.

growleaves

Longing wrote: »

We will only see one restriction lifted at one time. Then a waiting period to see its OK then we move on to the next restriction.

How do you know that? Simon Harris said the other day perhaps two restrictions to be lifted.

timmy_mallet

polesheep wrote: »

Is this the last sting of a dying wasp?

Waved the white flag above his head and exited out the back door.

polesheep

timmy_mallet wrote: »

Waved the white flag above his head and exited out the back door.

There's only one door and the doctor has the key.

timmy_mallet

Longing wrote: »

Be realistic. This will not be over until vaccine 1 year to 18 months away. But I do hope shops and other business will start to open again in the coming months. But unfortunately it will take time for our economy to recover. Everyone is effected by this pandemic one way or another some more than others. We have to adopt and change they we live our lives going forward.

This period of locdown will be over soon. Adapt. Yes. People have to be comfortable with a level of death and sickness, which the current rate seems to suggest they are.

Benimar

timmy_mallet wrote: »

Surely if those who aren't social distancing and going to each others house is as rampant as some suggest, then the restrictions are already lifted and the hospitilsarion rate isnt going anywhere bodes well for life getting back to a better normal.

Can take up to 14 days for symptoms. The spike in numbers (if it comes) could be late next week. Most people were complying up to last weekend, its only this week things have got slack.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

BanditLuke wrote: »

Safe at home. Stay safe

Thsis is a contradcition for a lot of poeple.

MadYaker

timmy_mallet wrote: »

This period of locdown will be over soon. Adapt. Yes. People have to be comfortable with a level of death and sickness, which the current rate seems to suggest they are.

Yeah I’d expect cases to start going up slowly in May but that’s part of the plan to be honest even if the government won’t say it out loud. Why are they adding more ICU beds and increasing testing capacity if cases are going to keep going down?

It’ll be interesting to see what they allow to open. I suspect it’ll be the likes of clothes shops, DIY places, car dealerships and that’s probably it. Dunno if they’ll even increase the 2km limit. The government have to very careful with the language that they use but I think they also understand that people need a morale boost.

Longing

timmy_mallet wrote: »

This period of locdown will be over soon. Adapt. Yes. People have to be comfortable with a level of death and sickness, which the current rate seems to suggest they are.

1 person dying a day from Covid-19 breaks the hearts of many. I really don't agree with you that people are comfortable with the current infection rate and deaths. But you are right when the scales balance when the people in power thinks what the public except they will act. Not always for the hearts that have been broken.

timmy_mallet

Benimar wrote: »

Can take up to 14 days for symptoms. The spike in numbers (if it comes) could be late next week. Most people were complying up to last weekend, its only this week things have got slack.

Can, cannot. There is no spike now.

timmy_mallet

Longing wrote: »

1 person dying a day from Covid-19 breaks the hearts of many. I really don't agree with you that people are comfortable with the current infection rate and deaths. But you are right when the scales balance when the people in power thinks what the public except they will act. Not always for the hearts that have been broken.

I'm sure it does, but they are in the minority. And seem to cope ok with full hospitals during flu seasons. Where there are multiples of 1 person a day dying.

[Deleted User]

A church in the Taoiseachs constituency has it's choir still attending and performing at it's masses including today. While there's still a restriction of 10 people at a funeral country-wide.

begbysback

polesheep wrote: »

Is this the last sting of a dying wasp?

Until the next wasp comes along

Dumdum McCarthy

I work in an ETB College, I've been listening to Leo, and Simon Harris again today saying measures could continue for another 2 to 3 weeks if we drop our gaurd or dont stick to the guidelines.
We have heard that there has been more movement in the last week, this is true for my place of work.
From 2 on a Friday people going into the college last week to an average 10 per day this week..
So basically some teaching staff arranged to come in and were told park there cars around the side ( hidden from public view).
In one case a teacher met students in a shopping centre car park to collect arraignment s, and brought the assigments then into d school.
When the annouments were made schools ,colleges closed in March we didnt really,we had an odd student using a computer room and the public still coming into reception asking about courses...
Any other ETBs running like this,
I find wrong that it happening by an government educational run college, health telling us abide by the laws and education sector sending people to work..we have been classed as essential workers by the way..

Why cant people in high up postions be responsible for the time frame given and then we can all asscess whats best practice..

MadYaker

[Deleted User] wrote: »

A church in the Taoiseachs constituency has it's choir still attending and performing at it's masses including today. While there's still a restriction of 10 people at a funeral country-wide.

All churches are closed. Do you have any proof of this?

[Deleted User]

They're live-streaming it.

JRant

BanditLuke wrote: »

Doesn't look like there will be any type of relaxation of restrictions on the 5th going by some of the comments from ministers the last few days as well as Tony and other high ranking HSE officials. Going to be tough for a few on here to take but take solace in the fact that they are the experts and we are all just hurlers on the ditch for Ireland.

Safe at home. Stay safe and support your HSE.

Pull on the green jersey Luke, put the shoulder to the wheel and do as your betters tell you.
Not everyone in life is a Hitler from the ditch. Some of us actually got out their and played a bit. It's amazing and a pity you never had a go. You'd realize that you can actually take a hit or two and still come out on the winning team.

Gael23

MadYaker wrote: »

Yeah I’d expect cases to start going up slowly in May but that’s part of the plan to be honest even if the government won’t say it out loud. Why are they adding more ICU beds and increasing testing capacity if cases are going to keep going down?

It’ll be interesting to see what they allow to open. I suspect it’ll be the likes of clothes shops, DIY places, car dealerships and that’s probably it. Dunno if they’ll even increase the 2km limit. The government have to very careful with the language that they use but I think they also understand that people need a morale boost.

If they open shops I imagine the removal of the 2km limit would have to come along with that to allow customers access to those shops?

robbiezero

polesheep wrote: »

Is this the last sting of a dying wasp?

Last sting of a very tiresome troll hopefully.

Gal2glam

Gael23 wrote: »

If they open shops I imagine the removal of the 2km limit would have to come along with that to allow customers access to those shops?

There’s no 2km limit when it comes to shopping.

BillyBiggs

[Deleted User] wrote: »

A church in the Taoiseachs constituency has it's choir still attending and performing at it's masses including today. While there's still a restriction of 10 people at a funeral country-wide.

Leave Dr. Leo alone we’ll all be thanking him on May 5th when we reopen (my arse he’ll reopen on May 5th).:-)

road_high

growleaves wrote: »

Do you know what unintended consequences are? Treating ordinary people as if they terrorists will result in lots of them.

All the posters who want to open a Pandora's Box of martial law, fascism, dictatorial government...we're just about to celebrate one hundred years of freedom, civil peace and civil restraint. You could have none of these things ever again if this thing goes too far.

Gardai hugely damaged from this. Never had any trouble with them and had great respect for them as a police force. Until this. I doubt I’ll ever view them in the same way- they’re basically a pack of nit pickers who would go along with anything they’re told- “I was just following orders” indeed

yrreg0850

On the basis of yesterdays news , The 2Km .travel ban does not apply to people from NI.

In that case a person from NI can travel to their holiday home in West Cork while a resident of Ennistymon cannot travel as far as Lahinch !

On the other side anybody living within 2Km of the border can travel to a holiday home in NI and, going on the earlier statement from the Garda commissioner if you travel to your holiday home , it is now your home.
Therefore these people can now travel anywhere on the Island.

As our government allows people from NI to apply for Irish passports they are not treating all citizens equally.

I do agree with the lock down.