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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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PTH2009

The Fallout of a further extension could be nothing on the Water Metre Brigade and all hell could break loose

Heard were getting an annoucnement on Wednesday???

normanoffside

titan18 wrote: »

Here you go

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/2020/4/22/21230301/coronavirus-symptom-asymptomatic-carrier-spread

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2008457

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2009758

Ok, Thanks for posting some actual articles.

The first related to Iceland which (thanks to widespread testing) showed us for the first time that most carriers were asymptomatic. But bear in mind their total deaths are still only 6- that's less than 0.3% of those who have tested positive.

The last 2 articles (on brief reading) are related to nursing homes where patients can pick up disease despite low viral load. I agree here and have been repeatedly calling out our government for the scandal that is allowing the disease into Nursing homes and turning a blind eye on that.

VonLuck

SNNUS wrote: »

Only letter will be P45's.

P45's are no longer a thing!

alwald

titan18 wrote: »

Here you go

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/2020/4/22/21230301/coronavirus-symptom-asymptomatic-carrier-spread

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2008457

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2009758

You shouldn't argue with that poster, he knows everything about this virus. He's been waffling around that this virus isn't air born because he read 2 articles online.
He's constantly posting articles from the Guardian so to follow his trend https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/apr/24/coronavirus-detected-particles-air-pollution here is one where Coronavirus has been detected on particles of air pollution.

Cork Boy 53

easypazz wrote: »

You will be at home anyway for the next 7 years with all the rice, pasta and toilet paper you panic bought, denying our front line heroes when they needed it so it is none of your business.

Yawn.

pgj2015

SNNUS wrote: »

It's like the journal.ie comments, 2 months ago, lockdown now ffs, today after still a decline in cases and improvements, stricter lockdown ffs! The lack of reading past the headlines or thinking that this virus will dissapear the longer we do this is insane but this is the views of many who do no research beyond government headlines.

Normal ain't happening any time soon, no one is asking for that, common sense and social distancing is the norm now and will be for a long time to come.

I live on my own and cannot meet friends or have any contact with anyone which is affecting me mentally.

Simon Harris stated at the start of this that you cannot lock people down for extended periods of time as people will crack and get complacent, but now the rhetoric has changed to behave yourself or 3 more weeks of detention.

go visit your friends, if stopped, tell the guards you are going to the supermarket. fcuk what anyone else thinks, you do what is right for you.

SNNUS

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Options:

1) Phone
2) Skype
3) Email
4) Facetime
5) Letter

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Oh wow thank you! I can stay in until the virus is gone so? Plus all our jobs and economy. Only letter will be P45's.

normanoffside

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

No no. Corona lager bottles. The poster`s favourite tipple.

There you go again Cork Boy,
I have given you Multiple studies and articles to back up my points and yet all you can do is make insults and jibes.
I have yet to see you read about any of the studies and give your opinion based on that, or indeed produce your own evidence.

Do you have any evidence to back up your own thinking apart from what you are told by ICTIC Dr Holohan?

I'm beginning to think that people like you have very limited intelligence.
All you do is spout mantras.

easypazz

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

What might be workable in cafes and restaurants doesn`t mean it would apply to pubs.
Even if people intend to observe the regulations after a slap of a few pints their judgement will tend to slip and what is to stop them from just ignoring the restrictions then?

You will be at home anyway for the next 7 years with all the rice, pasta and toilet paper you panic bought, denying our front line heroes when they needed it so it is none of your business.

titan18

normanoffside wrote:

Common sense is not so common. here's an article/study for you. Asymptomatic people don't actually pass on the virus.

Here you go

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/2020/4/22/21230301/coronavirus-symptom-asymptomatic-carrier-spread

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2008457

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2009758

FintanMcluskey

lord quackinton wrote: »

Tipp have a great chance of 2 in a row and we deserve it

The rest of your post was fine

Cork Boy 53

alwald wrote: »

Yeah but you aren't...come back to reality after those heaped pints coors bottles :pac:

No no. Corona lager bottles. The poster`s favourite tipple.

gormdubhgorm

SNNUS wrote: »

I live on my own and cannot meet friends or have any contact with anyone which is affecting me mentally.

Options:

1) Phone
2) Skype
3) Email
4) Facetime
5) Letter

--

Thelonious Monk

lord quackinton wrote: »

Also churches have to open
I have a baby to Christian

maybe ask your god to do something about your virus if he wouldn't mind!

robbiezero

Mick McGraw wrote: »

Any idea when people who can work from home will be allowed to go back to the office.

If companies are able to operate with staff working from home will they be stopped for a long while from going back to normal working arrangements or as soon as shops start to open can they just go back to normal aswell.

Hard to know when they will be actually allowed, probably within the next few months, but when offices will actually decide themselves to go back might be a different story.
A lot of places particularly in IT are probably working fine with no one in the offices at the moment, I know my company is with virtually no impact on productivity, so I would see very little point in us going back to having a full office and employees using public transport etc, when there is very little need for them to do so. I wouldn't be surprised if we were WFH until some time next year.
Personally it will be quite a while before I go back to the office full time regardless of when they open it (I use public transport to get to/from).

alwald

lord quackinton wrote: »

If I was in charge

Yeah but you aren't...come back to reality after those heaped pints coors bottles :pac:

ek motor

lord quackinton wrote: »

If I was in charge I would end all restrictions tomorrow
Pubs to open immediately and first 5 rounds are on Leo And his government for being a bunch of nanny staters
Gaa is second most important on things to get going
Tipp have a great chance of 2 in a row and we deserve it for being an all round sound and modest bunch
Also churches have to open
I have a baby to Christian

Had a few shandies ?

normanoffside

ek motor wrote: »

Are you attempting to refute asymptomatic transmission ?

Yes, not only in the case of Asymptomatic transmission, here is the case of a kid who didn't pass the virus on to more the 170 contacts despite having some symptoms
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/21/boy-with-covid-19-did-not-transmit-disease-to-more-than-170-contacts

Again I have published articles/studies to back up my points which you and your buddies have failed to do.

lord quackinton

If I was in charge I would end all restrictions tomorrow
Pubs to open immediately and first 5 rounds are on Leo And his government for being a bunch of nanny staters
Gaa is second most important on things to get going
Tipp have a great chance of 2 in a row and we deserve it for being an all round sound and modest bunch
Also churches have to open
I have a baby to Christian

SNNUS

It's like the journal.ie comments, 2 months ago, lockdown now ffs, today after still a decline in cases and improvements, stricter lockdown ffs! The lack of reading past the headlines or thinking that this virus will dissapear the longer we do this is insane but this is the views of many who do no research beyond government headlines.

Normal ain't happening any time soon, no one is asking for that, common sense and social distancing is the norm now and will be for a long time to come.

I live on my own and cannot meet friends or have any contact with anyone which is affecting me mentally.

Simon Harris stated at the start of this that you cannot lock people down for extended periods of time as people will crack and get complacent, but now the rhetoric has changed to behave yourself or 3 more weeks of detention.

alwald

ek motor wrote: »

Are you attempting to refute asymptomatic transmission ?

That poster will attempt anything to suit his own agenda...he reads 2 articles everyday and believe their content blindly :pac:.

Some people here are angry about the current "lockdown", which I can understand as it's hard on some, but at least they don't use stupid/unjustified articles to justify their agenda.

That particular poster is always offside

scamalert

LiquidZeb wrote: »

Also he thinks being spied on by apple and other tech companies is okay and you'd only not be ok with it if you've 'something to hide' . Oh also he repeatedly insults people's mother's too. He's either a troll or utterly deranged.

as far as spying goes people dont care, have you ever read T&Cs for any software, theres like thousands pages of crap that people scroll to bottom and press next, then crack the software and free license

jokes aside most companies have some crap put in where people wont bother reading about allowing to use their location even if its trough third party software, or store their info on social media for life and will accept it willingly, and cell phones ping towers all the time, but Ireland as far as tracing each cell phone is decades behind to likes of S.K or Japan. So theres f all to worry about.

as far as Cork Dweller goes, Boy seems seriously be sick in his head or just trolling, either way sad human being - best ignored, as its most likely most happiness hes had in his life.

Cork Boy 53

Dickie10 wrote: »

i just dont see whats wrong with a wait and see approach , for another 2- 3 weeks then we will know whats happening with denmark and other countries . im mad for pubs to reopen the same as anyone. i would like to try restauraunts and cafes first see how they can do social distancing by keepin people at tables and only admitting enough for the tables they have , i would gladly while away a few hours getting some food and having a few drinks in that environment even at a table on my own. i think it would be a good way to test waters for pubs. they could use the same idea. you would only be allowed drink at your table, kind of cafe style drinking. this could easily work and see how it goes for a month or two

What might be workable in cafes and restaurants doesn`t mean it would apply to pubs.
Even if people intend to observe the regulations after a slap of a few pints their judgement will tend to slip and what is to stop them from just ignoring the restrictions then?

FintanMcluskey

Deleted User wrote: »

Hmm....i personally think its wise anyway to see issues that arise elsewhere,so we can get ahead of em

Screaming 1930s over and over deosnt enhance your point very much,the rest of world is facing same situation

Leaving aside the movement restrictions. Spain no longer has the restrictive work policies we implemented. We have followed all the restrictive policies seen implemented accross the globe, and have now followed a insightful plan known as wait and see

Charlie

**** me the arrogance and selfishness on display in this thread is galling.

I can only hope that any of the posters taking petty digs at the CMO and screeching to be able to go out and swan about as they see fit don’t end up with this virus on their doorstep, because if they saw how ruthless this thing is, they’d buck up and stop making shows of themselves.

ek motor

normanoffside wrote: »

Common sense is not so common.
here's an article/study for you.
Asymptomatic people don't actually pass on the virus.

https://www.inverse.com/science/covid-19-asymptomatic

Are you attempting to refute asymptomatic transmission ?

alwald

normanoffside wrote: »

I don't remember you or any other lockdown merchants posting any link to an article or study to back up your points.
I.E. waffle talkers.

What points did I make? Quote something from me instead of waffling around as usual.

robbiezero

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

You would get people living in Dublin going home to different places all over Ireland to visit parents etc. That's the worry. I suppose if everyone did practice social distancing properly it'd be ok, but they won't. Hopefully the numbers are a lot lower by the 5th and they can be lifted though.

I'd imagine the vast majority of the people would be sensible if it was communicated effectively and in a manner of people advising their peers rather than berating children and with concrete plans for further lifting of restrictions if all ok.
There are already pods of neighbors and family that live within the 2km isolating together so it would be similar to this just with greater distance. This would give a huge boost to a lot of people.

normanoffside

alwald wrote: »

All your posts are a load of waffle...you pretend that you know everything and yet all you do is type from a keyboard all day long...those who do research/studies on the virus aren't on this forum and you aren't one of them...it's time for you to get back to reality :pac:

I don't remember you or any other lockdown merchants posting any link to an article or study to back up your points.
I.E. waffle talkers.

[Deleted User]

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Because the approach of lets wait and see while the Exchequer is hemoraging and sending us into the 1930s. If the RO was still at 5 or if the ICU was overran the restrictions are justified.
What will the following 3 weeks of restrictions achieve?

Hmm....i personally think its wise anyway to see issues that arise elsewhere,so we can get ahead of em

Screaming 1930s over and over deosnt enhance your point very much,the rest of world is facing same situation