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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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eggy81

s1ippy wrote: »

I just have to laugh at how wrong this post is in spite of the tragedy

What's wrong with it?

stephenjmcd

road_high wrote: »

I’m mid 30s, reasonably healthy without any underlying issues. I get the odd chest infection but always pull out of it. When things die down I’d like to get going again and these people that livelihoods need us to get out and support them, here and in Europe

Slight bit younger in my mid 20s but fully agree with you, whenever borders and flights resume I'll be off on my travels again. Likewise I'll take a week away somewhere in Ireland too

lord quackinton

Clonmel was packed today as was the local woods near knocklofty where people were out walking their doggies breathing the lovely fresh air
I went to a secluded spot I know, an entrance to the galtees
Glorious day had a nice picnic with the family and actually met a good few people And had a few nice chats

One woman told us she was locked down for last 2 months and she lives alone
She woke this morning and for her mental health just said **** it
She said she was having dark thoughts from the claustrophobia
I told there is nothing wrong going for a walk in the galtees, and that her mental health was just as important and power on
Nice lady and nice dog, a beautiful Brindle boxer

road_high

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Slight bit younger in my mid 20s but fully agree with you, whenever borders and flights resume I'll be off on my travels again. Likewise I'll take a week away somewhere in Ireland too

Yes I’ve a lot more years to live please god and I want to LIVE them, whatever the future holds.
And I know people in their 70s and older that feel the exact same. This isn’t living- i think sitting around watching Netflix (which i don’t have) during the day is a sin, especially on a day like today

normanoffside

lord quackinton wrote: »

Clonmel was packed today as was the local woods near knocklofty where people were out walking their doggies breathing the lovely fresh air
I went to a secluded spot I know, an entrance to the galtees
Glorious day had a nice picnic with the family and actually met a good few people And had a few nice chats

One woman told us she was locked down for last 2 months and she lives alone
She woke this morning and for her mental health just said **** it
She said she was having dark thoughts from the claustrophobia
I told there is nothing wrong going for a walk in the galtees, and that her mental health was just as important and power on
Nice lady and nice dog, a beautiful Brindle boxer

Great to see people getting out and about in the fresh air and sun.
If people are going to beat this virus they need to be fit and healthy.
Weak curtain twitchers who haven't seen the sun in months are not going to have as good a success as people who get out and about (within reason).

mandrake04

jams100 wrote: »

To those people calling for lockdown to be extended. I'm not saying it's an easy decision but there are two forms of death happening right now covid-19 deaths and deaths through suicide/missed diagnostics eg breastcheck

http://news.sky.com/story/ccoronavirus-cancer-patients-helpless-amid-fears-more-will-die-from-delayed-treatment-than-covid-19-11978615

The covid deaths happening now is what it is... but it could be worse, the real danger is a 2nd larger spike in cases and hospitalisations that will be the tipping point in the healthcare system if a level of containment is not achieved.

Doctors and nurses are risking their lives to care for people with this disease, not much good if they die or resign due to fear for their own lives they are people with families too... not mere consumables. There not much of a bright outlook for anyone who is sick if there’s a depleted healthcare system in the future.

As for suicide that’s unfortunate, but unfortunately people take their own lives before the pandemic, sure lockdown might be the tipping point for some but you have to look at the bigger picture.

GT89

I think it's a riddiculous idea to extend the 2km to 5km or 10km they should remove any boundaries and allow us to travel around the country freely provided social distancing measures are in place and rules surrounding non essiential businesses.

FintanMcluskey

Deleted User wrote: »

Would it not be wise to see how it plays out in other eu countries first??

No absolutely not. The restrictive approach is sending us hurtling into the 1930s. Its the approach Leo is implementing, and it needs to be immediately reviewed. At what point do we decide after watching other countries that we are safe? Next year?
How will the EU approach solve the care home issue?

Mic 1972

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Spain looks fkd to me. Tourism wise.

As does France and Italy also.

Portugal seems to be ok.

Wonder how Portugal escaped it in comparison to Spain.

All these countries are doing a lot better than Ireland in terms of infected cases per million. Not sure who is going to be ****ed in the end

road_high

JRant wrote: »

Honestly, I can't see visitors being welcomed to the countryside any time this year. The backlash the city slickers received over even attempting to travel down to the sticks was something to behold.

Don’t worry- when the jobs that depend on tourism dry up the tune will slowly change. The lockdown maniacs are still at peak lockdown mode plus the welfare is still flowing so they can continue with the siege mentality. For now.
But soon their kids won’t have that summer job in the local hotel that helps pay their college, the local trade men and service providers won’t have the same work and will be letting local people go. Come back to me in 6 months or a years time and we’ll see how these places are fairing then.
If I was a Dubliner with cash North Wexford would not be on my radar anymore particularly after the insults and abuse from locals I saw on social media.

alwald

Deleted User wrote: »

well you are lucky enough to have a garden (many people don't) and you are lucky enough to have kids (many people are getting through this completely alone). Your post sounded quite smug.

When there is a will there is a way https://www.facebook.com/canonmooneygardens/videos/3002274599880389
Stop whinging and complaining and start taking actions

Sean 18

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

No absolutely not. The restrictive approach is sending us hurtling into the 1930s. Its the approach Leo is implementing, and it needs to be immediately reviewed. At what point do we decide after watching other countries that we are safe? Next year?
How will the EU approach solve the care home issue?

If we spend the summer in lockdown there's no way they will ease the restriction s in the autumn winter when the flu will be doing the rounds

Mick McGraw

Any idea when people who can work from home will be allowed to go back to the office.

If companies are able to operate with staff working from home will they be stopped for a long while from going back to normal working arrangements or as soon as shops start to open can they just go back to normal aswell.

Thelonious Monk

GT89 wrote: »

I think it's a riddiculous idea to extend the 2km to 5km or 10km they should remove any boundaries and allow us to travel around the country freely provided social distancing measures are in place and rules surrounding non essiential businesses.

So you won't have a problem with Dubs going all over the country?

Mic 1972

road_high wrote: »

Don’t worry- when the jobs that depend on tourism dry up the tune will slowly change. The lockdown maniacs are still at peak lockdown mode plus the welfare is still flowing so they can continue with the siege mentality. For now.
But soon their kids won’t have that summer job in the local hotel that helps pay their college, the local trade men and service providers won’t have the same work and will be letting local people go. Come back to me in 6 months or a years time and we’ll see how these places are fairing then.
If I was a Dubliner with cash North Wexford would not be on my radar anymore particularly after the insults and abuse from locals I saw on social media.

such drama LOL

Stheno

Mick McGraw wrote: »

Any idea when people who can work from home will be allowed to go back to the office.

If companies are able to operate with staff working from home will they be stopped for a long while from going back to normal working arrangements or as soon as shops start to open can they just go back to normal aswell.

Will likely be one of the last restrictions to be lifted

I know two companies planning for it to be end of September

stephenjmcd

Stheno wrote: »

Will likely be one of the last restrictions to be lifted

I know two companies planning for it to be end of September

Depends on the business really and where they stand in the essential and non essential list.

Last I heard from my office last week was middle of June all going well. That would be 3 months working from home.

[Deleted User]

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

No absolutely not. The restrictive approach is sending us hurtling into the 1930s. Its the approach Leo is implementing, and it needs to be immediately reviewed. At what point do we decide after watching other countries that we are safe? Next year?
How will the EU approach solve the care home issue?

Why not leave it 2 to 3 weeks and see where issues arise elsewhere surronding flare-up in cases from reopening and target these espically with an irish perspective

Seems kind of commonsense tbh??

The care home issue is being sorted,all workers tested,2 care assistants cant live in same house being brought in etc etc.....they fcuked up there,but working to fix it

And wipespread testing unlikely to be brought in,until these are sorted

GT89

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

So you won't have a problem with Dubs going all over the country?

I'd settle with 50km. It would stop people going from Dublin to far flung places like Donegal or Kerry but would allow people to pursue most outdoor leisure activities like golf, fishing, hill walking etc. or visit some family members.

Dumdum McCarthy

I work in an ETB College, I've been listening to Leo, and Simon Harris again today saying measures could continue for another 2 to 3 weeks if we drop our gaurd or dont stick to the guidelines.
We have heard that there has been more movement in the last week, this is true for my place of work.
From 2 on a Friday people going into the college last week to an average 10 per day this week..
So basically some teaching staff arranged to come in and were told park there cars around the side ( hidden from public view).
In one case a teacher met students in a shopping centre car park to collect arraignment s, and brought the assigments then into the school.
When the annouments were made schools ,colleges closed in March we didnt really, we had an odd student using a computer room and the public still coming into reception asking about courses...
Any other ETBs running like this,
I find wrong that it happening by a government educational run college, health telling us abide by the laws and education sector sending people to work..we have been classed as essential workers by the way..

Dickie10

i dont think we should lift too much maybe let people go 10km , but no shopping centres open. lets seee what happens with these european countries who have opened up . maybe hardware stores and constuction site open but no hairdressers or barbers after another fortnight we will see how austria and denmark are doing and if theres a spike. if we keep another half restriced movement until may 20th then we coud get cafes and restauraunts and cinemas opened by mid june

normanoffside

Dumdum McCarthy wrote: »

I work in an ETB College, I've been listening to Leo, and Simon Harris again today saying measures could continue for another 2 to 3 weeks if we drop our gaurd or dont stick to the guidelines.
We have heard that there has been more movement in the last week, this is true for my place of work.
From 2 on a Friday people going into the college last week to an average 10 per day this week..
So basically some teaching staff arranged to come in and were told park there cars around the side ( hidden from public view).
In one case a teacher met students in a shopping centre car park to collect arraignment s, and brought the assigments then into d school.
When the annouments were made schools ,colleges closed in March we didnt really,we had an odd student using a computer room and the public still coming into reception asking about courses...
Any other ETBs running like this,
I find wrong that it happening by an government educational run college, health telling us abide by the laws and education sector sending people to work..we have been classed as essential workers by the way..

Again good to hear that the kids are still getting an education and teachers are using commonsense and doing their job when they could easily hide in their basements and refuse to do anything.

We need more of this.

Shame on the government to try to guilt trip people like this for trying to do their best while giving them no direction.

FintanMcluskey

Deleted User wrote: »

Why not leave it 2 to 3 weeks and see where issues arise elsewhere surronding flare-up in cases from reopening and target these espically with an irish perspective

Seems kind of commonsense tbh??

The care home issue is being sorted,all workers tested,2 care assistants cant live in same house being brought in etc etc.....they fcuked up there,but working to fix it

And wipespread testing unlikely to be brought in,until these are sorted

Because the approach of lets wait and see while the Exchequer is hemoraging and sending us into the 1930s. If the RO was still at 5 or if the ICU was overran the restrictions are justified.
What will the following 3 weeks of restrictions achieve?

Mic 1972

Dumdum McCarthy wrote: »

I work in an ETB College, I've been listening to Leo, and Simon Harris again today saying measures could continue for another 2 to 3 weeks if we drop our gaurd or dont stick to the guidelines.
We have heard that there has been more movement in the last week, this is true for my place of work.
From 2 on a Friday people going into the college last week to an average 10 per day this week..
So basically some teaching staff arranged to come in and were told park there cars around the side ( hidden from public view).
In one case a teacher met students in a shopping centre car park to collect arraignment s, and brought the assigments then into d school.
When the annouments were made schools ,colleges closed in March we didnt really,we had an odd student using a computer room and the public still coming into reception asking about courses...
Any other ETBs running like this,
I find wrong that it happening by an government educational run college, health telling us abide by the laws and education sector sending people to work..we have been classed as essential workers by the way..

You are absolutely right, and we all have to pay for the selfishness of a few

Cork Boy 53

titan18 wrote: »

Common sense says the more people asymptomatic carriers are in contact with, the more cases we have and thus more cases having go into hospitals. If someone is only around 2 people now and is around 20 after we ease, that's obviously a lot more with it.

That would thus put a higher load on hospitals which will then mean those with other illnesses are less likely to get the treatment they need.

Common sense seems to be in short supply going by the attitude of several posters on this forum lately.

Mic 1972

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Common sense seems to be in short supply going by the attitude of several posters on this forum lately.

They are complete idiots acting in total denial of the issue

normanoffside

Dickie10 wrote: »

i dont think we should lift too much maybe let people go 10km , but no shopping centres open. lets seee what happens with these european countries who have opened up . maybe hardware stores and constuction site open but no hairdressers or barbers after another fortnight we will see how austria and denmark are doing and if theres a spike. if we keep another half restriced movement until may 20th then we coud get cafes and restauraunts and cinemas opened by mid june

Yep let's make no decisions ourselves and watch what other people are doing.

Ireland's Curtain Twitcher in Chief (ICTIC) Dr Tony Holohan can bring his new founds skills to an international level and watch through the curtains from afar.

It's great to be part of such a modern and forward looking country.

ek motor

normanoffside wrote: »

Yep let's make no decisions ourselves and watch what other people are doing.

Ireland's Curtain Twitcher in Chief (ICTIC) Dr Tony Holohan can bring his new founds skills to an international level and watch through the curtains from afar.

It's great to be part of such a modern and forward looking country.

What restrictions do you think should be lifted on May 5th ?

Cork Boy 53

Mic 1972 wrote: »

They are complete idiots acting in total denial of the issue

Be prepared for the usual suspects to attack you for this post.

alwald

normanoffside wrote: »

Yep let's make no decisions ourselves and watch what other people are doing.

Ireland's Curtain Twitcher in Chief (ICTIC) Dr Tony Holohan can bring his new founds skills to an international level and watch through the curtains from afar.

It's great to be part of such a modern and forward looking country.

You waffle quite a lot and yet you have no skills...the fact is if you were skilled in anything linked to C-19 then you won't be here waffling around pretending that you know everything.