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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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LiquidZeb

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Isn`t it close to your bedtime? Be sure to get mammy to give you a warm glass of milk and read you a nice bedtime story before she tucks you in.

People should really keep a 2 meter distance from you after all this is over. You're absolutely deranged you need to stop this obsession with my mam.

[Deleted User]

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Isn`t it close to your bedtime? Be sure to get mammy to give you a warm glass of milk and read you a nice bedtime story before she tucks you in.

Seriously is that the best you can come up with? Stop being so childish you truly are utterly ridiculous and pathetic it's you who needs to go to bed early child.

[Deleted User]

Anita Blow wrote: »

To be fair, Belgium had a COVID death rate of 568 per million against Ireland's 163.5 per million so we have fared much better through this.

Belgium include deaths that are confirmed to be virus-related and those suspected of being linked, whether the victim was tested or not.

Ireland is 215 per million now, which puts us 11th highest in the world. Even allowing for differences in how the figures are compiled, we don't seem to be doing as well as people think we are.

iamwhoiam

thebaz wrote: »

I agree, think most people up until this week , fealt the Government had done a reasonable job , but this week with the curve flattened, the 100,000 deaths not happeing and the spread well contained (apart from nursing homes) , people are coming to breaking point , and dont want more nanny state lectures from Simon and Co. about hunkering down for another 3 weeks of no fresh and the dire financial misery so many us are now enduring and facing into. Can the country realistically afford to keep near a million on social welfare indefinitly?

Many people are also realising that the tragedy enfolding in care homes is because of a lack of planning by the Government . They absolutely should have seen it coming and took their eye off the ball . They closed playground before ever looking at the tsunami heading towards care homes
This patronising lecturing about how we are doing so well but need to stay indoors for another few weeks is pissing a lot of people off now

We were told the R needed to be under 1
Now its under 1 we are still not behaving well enough and need to be kept in

JRant

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

I see the vigilantes are gathering together attacking your latest scapegoat. What`s next for your brigade I wonder? Carrying pitchforlks, wearing hoods, burning crosses?

Au contraire, it's got nothing to do with scapegoating anyone. Across the water there have been growing concerns about secretive unelected groups influencing political decisions, see
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-52421744?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.com/news/topics/cgqnrjzr6njt/scientific-advisory-group-for-emergencies-sage&link_location=live-reporting-story

The same is true here. The minutes of the meetings need to be made public and all options discussed also. This is a public decision and we need to be fully informed. No need for cloak and daggers meetings.

snowstorm445

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Excellent post thanks for sharing.

I did read the Belgian plans the other day and they were very impressive, every detail planned out and given to the public in advance. But given how hard Covid hit Belgium is there much anger towards the government there in terms of what they could have done differently up to now ?

But the publishing of a plan gives everyone something to aim towards

It's always hard to tell here with everything so bilingual and disjointed, but there was a lot of criticism that they were only testing people who needed to be hospitalised, so the spread wasn't properly tracked. Other than that I'm not sure but with Belgium being so centrally located for people travelling all over the place, and Brussels as "the capital of Europe" there's a grim understanding among a few people that I've talked to here that something like this was always going to hit Belgium hard unfortunately.

Cork Boy 53

niallo27 wrote: »

You know your losing the debate if you have to resort to this. Is there any let up from you or are you not for turning even in the slightest.

When a poster makes childish comments about me then I will treat him/her as a child the same way. Am I not for turning into what exactly?

AmberGold

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I’m wondering about the Ring of Beara, rescheduled for August 29. I’d love it to go ahead - something to look forward to - but I don’t see it

With all the snot rockets I wouldn’t be doing it anyway.

FintanMcluskey

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

When a poster makes childish comments about me then I will treat him/her as a child the same way. Am I not for turning into what exactly?

Turning as in accepting that the restrictions have achieved what they initially set out to achieve. Stay at home is achieving little in they way of benefit to care homes.

Everything bar pubs and business that cant implement social distance should open tomorrow IMO. Why this hasnt been reviewed by now indicates that leadership and responsibility is in short supply, whats plentiful is patronising people who are beginning to realise its the f##k up caused by shutting playgrounds and schools before care homes. Leo and co could retain some popularity and dignity if they act now and review the restrictions before Monday but that wont happen

LiquidZeb

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

When a poster makes childish comments about me then I will treat him/her as a child the same way. Am I not for turning into what exactly?

What was childish about what I said? You encouraged tech companies sharing personal data with the government and I said you should move to North Korea so. Either this is world class trolling or the isolation has gone to your head

ZX7R

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Spain looks fkd to me. Tourism wise.

As does France and Italy also.

Portugal seems to be ok.

Wonder how Portugal escaped it in comparison to Spain.

France are promoting camping holidays as soon as August for foreign tourism
They are also pushing for people to home holiday.
Spain are already planning on opening there tourism from July Spanish tourism board aiming at the younger age profile

Would I go no
But if I was 24 year's old cheap flights cheap lodging I be gone in a bat of an eye

facehugger99

As an electorate, we have reaped the politicians we deserved.

Frightened rabbits, terrified of a social-media backlash and in thrall of unelected bureaucrats.

This has been coming.

Over the last few decades, unpopular but correct decisions by politicians have been progressively punished by an increasingly juvenile electorate. The last election was the culmination the lurch towards populism.

Now, we're left with the likes Varadkar and Harris, like deers in the headlights, terrified to make a decision that gets them branded as murderers by the mouth-breathers on Twitter and Facebook.

And the even more scary part is the make-up of the opposition benches.

Christ, it's depressing to see this unfold.

We are flushing our children's and grandchildren's futures down the toilet.
We are losing our freedoms and civil liberties.

And the sound you hear, is the cheering of the mob.

JRant

kwestfan08 wrote: »

Will staycations be allowed during the summer? Would love whenever it's safe to get a load of friends together and rent a house somewhere. Just catch up over drinks and food somewhere down the country.

Honestly, I can't see visitors being welcomed to the countryside any time this year. The backlash the city slickers received over even attempting to travel down to the sticks was something to behold.

jams100

To those people calling for lockdown to be extended. I'm not saying it's an easy decision but there are two forms of death happening right now covid-19 deaths and deaths through suicide/missed diagnostics eg breastcheck

http://news.sky.com/story/ccoronavirus-cancer-patients-helpless-amid-fears-more-will-die-from-delayed-treatment-than-covid-19-11978615

road_high

ZX7R wrote: »

France are promoting camping holidays as soon as August for foreign tourism
They are also pushing for people to home holiday.
Spain are already planning on opening there tourism from July Spanish tourism board aiming at the younger age profile

Would I go no
But if I was 24 year's old cheap flights cheap lodging I be gone in a bat of an eye

On the continent I’ve always found people very pragmatic and get on with things- they’ve not lived through two world wars and others for nothing. Personal liberty hugely valued.
We on the underhand are an extremely cautious lot and not big on taking personal responsibility- too many look to government to solve their problems and tell them what to do.
I can see the continent bouncing back very quickly because that’s just what they always we do. We wallow and that’s exactly what we are doing now. We did for decades post independence, feeling sorry for ourselves closed up to the world

Cork Boy 53

LiquidZeb wrote: »

What was childish about what I said? You encouraged tech companies sharing personal data with the government and I said you should move to North Korea so. Either this is world class trolling or the isolation has gone to your head

I was referring to your earlier post containing your childish remarks about me not that one. Anyway best put me on ignore because from now on I will not be responding to any further posts from you. Good night and sweet dreams.

Galwayguy35

Claire Byrne is over on twitter asking if we are obeying the restrictions.

Another curtain twitcher who probably wants us locked up all summer.

Stheno

setanta1984 wrote: »

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All I see to hope for now is pitiful "easing" on one or two types of retail store while making no changes that might actually make day to day life more bearable.
I can see us being subjected to watching the rest of Europe try to get back to life over the next 2 months while we are kept weeks and weeks behind and completely in the dark.

What were you expecting to happen on May 5th?

Birdy

The shops, pubs, restaurants and schools might be closed but the lockdown ended last weekend for many.

The public have had enough. The people advising us don't seem to have a clue. Their fearmongering is coming across as powertripping.

LiquidZeb

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

I was referring to your earlier post containing your childish remarks about me not that one. Anyway best put me on ignore because from now on I will not be responding to any further posts from you. Good night and sweet dreams.

Gonna have to get out the Adele playlist for this breakup.

LiquidZeb

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Claire Byrne is over on twitter asking if we are obeying the restrictions.

Another curtain twitcher who probably wants us locked up all summer.

Don't worry her and the rest of the talentless hacks at RTE with their 6 figure salaries will be alright. They always are.

niallo27

ZX7R wrote: »

France are promoting camping holidays as soon as August for foreign tourism
They are also pushing for people to home holiday.
Spain are already planning on opening there tourism from July Spanish tourism board aiming at the younger age profile

Would I go no
But if I was 24 year's old cheap flights cheap lodging I be gone in a bat of an eye

So true man, if I was a young lad. I'd be gone in a heartbeat.

road_high

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Claire Byrne is over on twitter asking if we are obeying the restrictions.

Another curtain twitcher who probably wants us locked up all summer.

Most definitely. RTE have been like the equivalent of the state news agency (TASS?) were in the Soviet Union. They are an absolute shambles.
Byrne is just Another muppet they employ without any ability to analyse a situation roundly. And on a 6 figure sum so she’ll be grand.
Unlike the hairdresser in peter marks on €30k struggling to pay the €1500 per month rent with her laid off partner working in construction. But who cares about them? Why don’t they go bake a cake and play in the garden?

Spanish Eyes

Maybe need to look at Portugal. NEXT to Spain but they seem not to have have the same awful stats as Spain.

road_high

niallo27 wrote: »

So true man, if I was a young lad. I'd be gone in a heartbeat.

I’m mid 30s, reasonably healthy without any underlying issues. I get the odd chest infection but always pull out of it. When things die down I’d like to get going again and these people that livelihoods need us to get out and support them, here and in Europe

titan18

jams100 wrote:

To those people calling for lockdown to be extended. I'm not saying it's an easy decision but there are two forms of death happening right now covid-19 deaths and deaths through suicide/missed diagnostics eg breastcheck

You realise the more the lockdown is eased, the more cases we'll get so those illnesses above still won't be catered for.

road_high

titan18 wrote: »

You realise the more the lockdown is eased, the more cases we'll get so those illnesses above still won't be catered for.

No evidence re that assertion. With social
distancing measures and hygiene there’s absolutely no need to not ease the lockdown

titan18

road_high wrote: »

No evidence re that assertion. With social
distancing measures and hygiene there’s absolutely no need to not ease the lockdown

Common sense says the more people asymptomatic carriers are in contact with, the more cases we have and thus more cases having go into hospitals. If someone is only around 2 people now and is around 20 after we ease, that's obviously a lot more with it.

That would thus put a higher load on hospitals which will then mean those with other illnesses are less likely to get the treatment they need.

Cork Boy 53

JRant wrote: »

Honestly, I can't see visitors being welcomed to the countryside any time this year. The backlash the city slickers received over even attempting to travel down to the sticks was something to behold.

And with good reason.

s1ippy

Tell me how wrote: »

Jesus fcuking Christ man but let's pull back on the obituary of everything we've ever known just for a second.

Maybe it is a myth now more than reality but I read before that 12 months after a life changing event, an individuals level of daily contentment had returned to where it had been at previously. It was suggested that winning the lottery, or becoming paralyzed had no dramatic long term impact on levels of happiness, all things considered.

This is a very difficult time, but we will adapt, and find ways to do the things we previously enjoyed with some changes, if necessary, but as before in most situation. This is a revolutionary period, not evolutionary.

I just have to laugh at how wrong this post is in spite of the tragedy