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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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stephenjmcd

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Can't speak for others but today was one of the worst days I've seen since the lockdown started in terms of people not respecting the guidelines. There was nothing to suggest there was a problem at all based on the volume of people out and about. Lots of youths on bikes, and I spotted three of them sitting on the grass, hanging out. Not that they're the only demographic at fault. Plenty of middle-aged types out in groups, mostly dog walkers, stopping to have a chat with no distancing.

I can't call what I saw today a lockdown. To me there was no discernible difference from what I saw compared to last year, or any other year. The message from the government appears to be falling on deaf (or dumb, or both) ears.

Complete opposite in my area today, not many out on the seafront, checkpoints on the roads leading down, people who were out walking keeping their distance.

But I dont think extending this on the 5th will do anything now, it will have been what 7 weeks of restrictions and you can see in some areas people are at the their limit, time to start the gradual reopening over the course of the next 2 or 3 months.

FintanMcluskey

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Can't speak for others but today was one of the worst days I've seen since the lockdown started in terms of people not respecting the guidelines. There was nothing to suggest there was a problem at all based on the volume of people out and about. Lots of youths on bikes, and I spotted three of them sitting on the grass, hanging out. Not that they're the only demographic at fault. Plenty of middle-aged types out in groups, mostly dog walkers, stopping to have a chat with no distancing.

I can't call what I saw today a lockdown. To me there was no discernible difference from what I saw compared to last year, or any other year. The message from the government appears to be falling on deaf (or dumb, or both) ears.

Did you see all this from your house

LiquidZeb

setanta1984 wrote: »

Its soul-destroying to see country after country around europe announce their plans to reopen while we sit here in the dark. It's depressing.

Well you see Germany, Austria Portugal etc have actual governments, not an assortment of cowards who live and die by what's said about them on social media.

CruelSummer

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Can't speak for others but today was one of the worst days I've seen since the lockdown started in terms of people not respecting the guidelines. There was nothing to suggest there was a problem at all based on the volume of people out and about. Lots of youths on bikes, and I spotted three of them sitting on the grass, hanging out. Not that they're the only demographic at fault. Plenty of middle-aged types out in groups, mostly dog walkers, stopping to have a chat with no distancing.

I can't call what I saw today a lockdown. To me there was no discernible difference from what I saw compared to last year, or any other year. The message from the government appears to be falling on deaf (or dumb, or both) ears.

I’m so sick and tired of people being made feel guilty for being out and about in fine weather.
The outbreak is in nursing and care homes now. So what if people are sitting on the grass having a chat as long as they’re keeping their distance.

This idea coming from government we’re all being ‘bold’ for living our lives is really annoying me. And more of if again this evening on Six One.
I actually supported the government and Fine Gael in last election but if they don’t wise up they’re lost my support.
God forbid people living within 2km of Salthill walk along the prom for their daily exercise?
Give me a break. The death rate is much lower than thought, our figures don’t even justify this current lockdown never mind an extension.

And to the poster accusing people of endangering their Grandparents...it is up to them to protect themselves if they choose to risk going out & about or meeting grandchildren. It does not in any way justify hundreds of thousands without work, mental health distress, billions lost to the taxpayer, and a totalitarian type response.

We cannot even drive to our nearest Dunnes as ‘there are other supermarkets close by’ we’ve been told at Garda checkpoints. Yes there are & they’re far more expensive. I didn’t give the Gardai or the state permission to tell me where I could do my shop or take away my freedoms if not justified.

JRant

Irish Aris wrote: »

as much as I would like to see them in person, I would be reluctant to break the restrictions. I would of course be very careful and we would definitely maintain the social distancing. My main concern would be using the public transport, and for that I plan to wear a mask.
Anyway, one week away from the ann canouncement, let's see how this will play out. Based on Simon Harris' latest comments I'm not hopeful at all, but as we say in Greece "hope dies last"

You should only ever do what you feel comfortable with. Harris is completely inept at the best of times so listening to him and the CMO (who thinks he runs the place now) should come with a government warning

road_high

setanta1984 wrote: »

Its soul-destroying to see country after country around europe announce their plans to reopen while we sit here in the dark. It's depressing.

We were always decades behind the rest of the continent in most regards. Not surprising in this instance. So many here are incapable of independent or critical thought. They must be told what is correct by someone else. How we managed to eventually become a liberal democracy is a mystery with such a huge wedge of people crying out for a police enforced nanny state.

FintanMcluskey

setanta1984 wrote: »

Its soul-destroying to see country after country around europe announce their plans to reopen while we sit here in the dark. It's depressing.

Spain reopened before Ireland. The inquest into the lack of action in Ireland will hopefully deliver justice to prevent anything like this happen in the future

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

LiquidZeb wrote: »

Well you see Germany, Austria Portugal etc have actual governments, not an assortment of cowards who live and die by what's said about them on social media.

Germany has done a lot more testing and has much better figures than Ireland. Simply put: it's safer (and not nessecarily because peope have been staing at home. In Berlin they most certainly have not). Nothing to do with political cowardice.

stephenjmcd

setanta1984 wrote: »

Its soul-destroying to see country after country around europe announce their plans to reopen while we sit here in the dark. It's depressing.

Other counties at least set out their plans in advance, we wait until the last minute. They needed to give people a bit of hope and something to look forward to. Instead we've just got basically threatened with another 2 weeks.

normanoffside

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Can't speak for others but today was one of the worst days I've seen since the lockdown started in terms of people not respecting the guidelines. There was nothing to suggest there was a problem at all based on the volume of people out and about. Lots of youths on bikes, and I spotted three of them sitting on the grass, hanging out. Not that they're the only demographic at fault. Plenty of middle-aged types out in groups, mostly dog walkers, stopping to have a chat with no distancing.

I can't call what I saw today a lockdown. To me there was no discernible difference from what I saw compared to last year, or any other year. The message from the government appears to be falling on deaf (or dumb, or both) ears.

Yeah but again I will say this for the nth time- there is absolutely no evidence of outbreaks or spread of the virus in outdoor environments, in fact studies have shown the opposite.
Getting sun also goes a long way to giving your body the tools to fight the virus should you get it.

People can't stay inside indefinitely and it's only right that they get outside on such a lovely sunny day.
More power to them, no need to be following stupid rules which have been shown to fail in other countries.

alwald

road_high wrote: »

Well aren't you lucky to lead such a wholesome perfect life? Clearly you don't live in a cramped apartment with 3 kids, abusive partner, no garden, poor cooking skills etc. But who cares as long as life is super up on Alwald Mountain.

How do you know that?

road_high

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Other counties at least set out their plans in advance, we wait until the last minute. They needed to give people a bit of hope and something to look forward to. Instead we've just got basically threatened with another 2 weeks.

And threatened by an un-elected civil servant at that. Any decent media would have been allover that plonkers threats. Instead they were nodding like lap dogs spreading the message.

easypazz

alwald wrote: »

How do you know that?

He is pulling your leg;)

road_high

alwald wrote: »

How do you know that?

You gave us a vivid picture of it and your activities in your post.

easypazz

road_high wrote: »

And threatened by an un-elected civil servant at that. Any decent media would have been allover that plonkers threats. Instead they were nodding like lap dogs spreading the message.

I haven't seen Doctor Cervicalcheck offer up a pay cut in solidary of all of us who have lost jobs, businesses, mortgages and rents in a heap, car loans backing up etc. etc.

Its easy for these civil servants to preach from the high alter all the same.

"We are in this together" my hole.

alwald

road_high wrote: »

You gave us a vivid picture of it and your activities in your post.

That's your definition of perfect life lol :pac:.

stephenjmcd

road_high wrote: »

And threatened by an un-elected civil servant at that. Any decent media would have been allover that plonkers threats. Instead they were nodding like lap dogs spreading the message.

Tbh I wont complain about the CMO, have no idea how he has the patience to deal with the journalists each day and it must be incredibly difficult at the moment working in the dept of health.

I would have supported the FG gov and did vote for them amongst others in feb but they've dropped the ball on nursing homes and the exit plan. The plan should have ideally been released yesterday, you would have got that last bit of compliance for the next week out of the public. Not this leaving it until last minute craic where you'll probably see Leo give a press conference at 5pm on a bank holiday Friday.

LiquidZeb

easypazz wrote: »

I haven't seen Doctor Cervicalcheck offer up a pay cut in solidary of all of us who have lost jobs, businesses, mortgages and rents in a heap, car loans backing up etc. etc.

Its easy for these civil servants to preach from the high alter all the same.

"We are in this together" my hole.

Careful or Doctor holohan will give you a ruler across the wrist for talking out you bold boy.

Level 42

theres hardly anyone out an abt in cork city even less than a few weeks ago -why are they saying people are all over the place out and abt

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FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Spain reopened before Ireland. The inquest into the lack of action in Ireland will hopefully deliver justice to prevent anything like this happen in the future

Spain hasn't reopened. There's been a relaxation of some of the restriction and their restrictions have been far more stringent then ours.

easypazz

Level 42 wrote: »

theres hardly anyone out an abt in cork city even less than a few weeks ago -why are they saying people are all over the place out and abt

It was the same with the ferries, twitter alive with bars were packed, booze cruise etc.

Until the ferry company produced pictures of 2 cars on the whole boat and everything closed.

Galwayguy35

prunudo wrote: »

And this is what really got to me about Leo's comments yesterday, no talk of a plan, no mention of hope, just threatening the bold children with further restrictions if they didn't behave.
I was pleasantly surprised to read some of the comments on this thread as of late between boards, other social media I've felt that I'm surrounded by people who want to see current restrictions contuine for as long as possible.
I'll be honest, if they don't relax even the 2km limit on May 5th I'll crack up. All the 'tools' that I used during the financial crash to maintain decent mental health have been taken and I'd fear for my sanity if these current restrictions last much more.

Excellent post, the cure shouldn't be worse than the disease and peoples mental health will suffer if they don't begin to ease things on the 5th.

I'm one of the lucky ones in that my job is classed as essential so still working and live in a rural area so can get out and about.

I can't even imagine what it's like being out of work and cooped up all day every day.

I'd crack up

Blueshoe

They were able to say that there is more movement of the public and showed some statistics given by Apple.

Why are Apple sharing people's data with the government?
Nobody seems to have noticed or been bothered by it

normanoffside

LiquidZeb wrote: »

Careful or Doctor holohan will give you a ruler across the wrist for talking out you bold boy.

Address him by his proper title.

He has proclaimed himself 'Ireland's Curtain Twitcher in Chief' (ICTIC for short).

Spanish Eyes

just look at Yes Minister and Prime Misinster,

The future of the past is amongst us now.

road_high

alwald wrote: »

That's your definition of perfect life lol :pac:.

Compared to a hell of a lot of people right now- yes it is. And in the future as the unavoidable job losses and public spending cuts bite. People are going to suffer very hard, especially those dependent on a decimated state

FintanMcluskey

Ahwell wrote: »

Spain hasn't reopened. There's been a relaxation of some of the restriction and their restrictions have been far more stringent then ours.

Construction sites are open. The rhetoric of the other countries having more restrictions is not true

Cork Boy 53

JRant wrote: »

You should only ever do what you feel comfortable with. Harris is completely inept at the best of times so listening to him and the CMO (who thinks he runs the place now) should come with a government warning

road_high wrote: »

And threatened by an un-elected civil servant at that. Any decent media would have been allover that plonkers threats. Instead they were nodding like lap dogs spreading the message.

easypazz wrote: »

I haven't seen Doctor Cervicalcheck offer up a pay cut in solidary of all of us who have lost jobs, businesses, mortgages and rents in a heap, car loans backing up etc. etc.

Its easy for these civil servants to preach from the high alter all the same.

"We are in this together" my hole.

LiquidZeb wrote: »

Careful or Doctor holohan will give you a ruler across the wrist for talking out you bold boy.

normanoffside wrote: »

Address him by his proper title.

He has proclaimed himself 'Ireland's Curtain Twitcher in Chief' (ICTIC for short).

I see the vigilantes are gathering together attacking your latest scapegoat. What`s next for your brigade I wonder? Carrying pitchforlks, wearing hoods, burning crosses?

Pops_20

Level 42 wrote: »

theres hardly anyone out an abt in cork city even less than a few weeks ago -why are they saying people are all over the place out and abt

The news and media are Dublin and West of Ireland focussed to an extent. I agree with you that there are very few people out and about in Cork City, and the Covid numbers reflect this.
Very few cases in Cork hospitals. They haven't seen anywhere near the surge they were expecting.

FintanMcluskey

Blueshoe wrote: »

They were able to say that there is more movement of the public and showed some statistics given by Apple.

Why are Apple sharing people's data with the government?
Nobody seems to have noticed or been bothered by it

The intrusion into privacy and obstruction of liberty forever more is something we should of objected to when we had the chance. Micheal D signed in laws prematurely