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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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eggy81

LiquidZeb wrote: »

They won't be able to get the taxpayers out quick enough to help heavily subsidize their rent if that happens.

What's the latest with it?

Spanish Eyes

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Your 1st post suggested its tough but we will get through it with patronising undertones, and now you have gone full circle suggesting we are all lawless nomads

Ah not at all.

But....

VonLuck

prunudo wrote: »

The things and activities that I use to keep a good head space, tools probably wrong word more coping mechanisms.

Oh yes I understood that, but I meant what specifically.

FintanMcluskey

Speakerboxx wrote: »

52 deaths today and new cases staying the same. I hope restrictions arent eased for another few weeks for the sake of us all.

I hope they are eased for the sake of us all, how will staying at home cure the care home disaster? A facebook like would be just as effective

FintanMcluskey

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Oh look, let's just infect the older people, and those with underlying conditions, and the younger cohort can do what they want.

Which they probably will anyway. Typical, like the Traveller cohort with their lack of care for the rules. Blame the Guards. Totally, they are terrified of them, or from any backlash. Now is the time to do it because if that cohort is held to the rules, others may comply, but when they see them getting away with it, there will be no respect for these restriction as they only apply to law abiding people as usual.

Your 1st post suggested its tough but we will get through it with patronising undertones, and now you have gone full circle suggesting we are all lawless nomads

LiquidZeb

road_high wrote: »

The sad thing is there won’t be anything left for taxpayers to get back out to though .

Maybe we can help disinfect the bottle banks which according to Corkboy are going to become epicentres of the virus. Or maybe shooing cyclists.

Spanish Eyes

Oh look, let's just infect the older people, and those with underlying conditions, and the younger cohort can do what they want.

Which they probably will anyway. Typical, like the Traveller cohort with their lack of care for the rules. Blame the Guards. Totally, they are terrified of them, or from any backlash. Now is the time to do it because if that cohort is held to the rules, others may comply, but when they see them getting away with it, there will be no respect for these restriction as they only apply to law abiding people as usual.

prunudo

VonLuck wrote: »

Genuine question, what tools have been taken from you?

The things and activities that I use to keep a good head space, tools probably wrong word more coping mechanisms.

JRant

Irish Aris wrote: »

It's true that every person's circumstances are different. For me Public Transport would be important as I live outside Drogheda and the 3-4 close friends I have are all in Dublin. So if public transport is a no-go then I will have to wait for longer before I see them in person and continue the video calls when time permits. Not ideal but it will have to do I guess. . .

If they extend the restrictions after such a dramatic drop in transmission then just go visit your friends. There is absolutely no good reason to be locked away from family and friends after May 5th unless they have a bloody good reason for it.
Dropping the ball and allowing nursing and residential homes become hot spots is not going to cut it for the remaining 98% of the population.

road_high

LiquidZeb wrote: »

They won't be able to get the taxpayers out quick enough to help heavily subsidize their rent if that happens.

The sad thing is there won’t be anything left for taxpayers to get back out to though .

VonLuck

prunudo wrote: »

All the 'tools' that I used during the financial crash to maintain decent mental health have been taken and I'd fear for my sanity if these current restrictions last much more.

Genuine question, what tools have been taken from you?

Cork Boy 53

seamusk84 wrote: »

I’d be really happy if they let pub lounges open to serve food. Surely you could get a pint with your sambo/curry.

Today would be great day for a creamy pint...Bloody hell.

Sorry to say you will be waiting for a considerable amount of time for that to happen. Legally anyway.

LiquidZeb

road_high wrote: »

Well that’s their funeral then. Once this hits pockets more severely watch support melt away. The €350 thing is basically fools gold

They won't be able to get the taxpayers out quick enough to help heavily subsidize their rent if that happens.

Spanish Eyes

Irish Aris wrote: »

It's true that every person's circumstances are different. For me Public Transport would be important as I live outside Drogheda and the 3-4 close friends I have are all in Dublin. So if public transport is a no-go then I will have to wait for longer before I see them in person and continue the video calls when time permits. Not ideal but it will have to do I guess. . .

I know it's tough. But hang in there.

The vast majority are missing lots of normal things, and their families/friends particularly.

Pubs and clubs and restaurants are not on their radar at the moment, it is not being able to see people that has many going doo lally.

Spanish Eyes

Deaths are obviously lagging behind positive testing numbers, may they all rest in peace.

This is unprecedented in our lifetimes, and like many I find it hard to process, since it happened so quickly really. The bereaved must be reeling both with the loss of a loved one, not being able to be with them, and having a tiny funeral too without the usual "Irish" way of grieving. So sorry for them all.

I suppose until the community spread is as near to zero as we can get it, we really have to observe the rules, subject to the slow opening of DIY and Construction and so on.

Life as we knew it is not going to reopen anytime soon, much as I wish it would, but it's not safe enough right now. But maybe a laxing of the 2k rule might help us to visit family close enough by. The concern is, that say a 5 or 10k limit will have everyone out. I dunno what the solution is, so you can imagine what they are trying to deal with from foaming at the mouth keyboard warriors.

I get that younger people (than me) think they are invincible, maybe they are, but could carry it all over the zone just the same.

SNNUS

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Stay away from the comment section on the journal.ie the people who post on that need to be rounded up and medically assessed

Scary, no one examines the figures or the R0 rates just panicmongering, although I fear a lot of this comes from people that lockdown most of the time anyway.

seamusk84

I’d be really happy if they let pub lounges open to serve food. Surely you could get a pint with your sambo/curry.

Today would be great day for a creamy pint...Bloody hell.

is_that_so

prunudo wrote: »

I hope you're right, just not the impression I got yesterday.

Yesterday was a finger wagging day all round to make us hold the line a bit longer.
Some discussion about a possible plan here.

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/lifting-the-lockdown-what-are-the-plans-1.4236891

Irish Aris

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I am dying to see my family face to face. I am dying to go to the sea which is 5k from my home, there are lots of things I would love to be able to do. But will observe the rules. It is for all our good.

Hopefully DIY stores will re open ( with strict in and out and distancing rules), because many want something to do at home, that's ok.

Public Transport is off the radar unless for essential travel. Can live with that, but like many used to love the DART trip out to Killiney and walk back up the Vico Road and have a few and a meal in Finnegans in Dalkey. Gone, but hey, it's not essential.

I know I'm just talking about myself, but I live in a little quiet enclave of Dublin, and have discovered some really amazing spots over the last few days from Facebook. I am anonymous there and just use it to get info about the locality. Eye opener for me anyway. Never had the time before I suppose.

It's true that every person's circumstances are different. For me Public Transport would be important as I live outside Drogheda and the 3-4 close friends I have are all in Dublin. So if public transport is a no-go then I will have to wait for longer before I see them in person and continue the video calls when time permits. Not ideal but it will have to do I guess. . .

Speakerboxx

52 deaths today and new cases staying the same. I hope restrictions arent eased for another few weeks for the sake of us all.

prunudo

is_that_so wrote: »

They are working on a plan and will have to have it before 5 May. He's certainly said this on other occasions.

I hope you're right, just not the impression I got yesterday.

FintanMcluskey

prunudo wrote: »

And this is what really got to me about Leo's comments yesterday, no talk of a plan, no mention of hope, just threatening the bold children with further restrictions if they didn't behave.
I was pleasantly surprised to read some of the comments on this thread as of late between boards, other social media I've felt that I'm surrounded by people who want to see current restrictions contuine for as long as possible.
I'll be honest, if they don't relax even the 2km limit on May 5th I'll crack up. All the 'tools' that I used during the financial crash to maintain decent mental health have been taken and I'd fear for my sanity if these current restrictions last much more.

Stay away from the comment section on the journal.ie the people who post on that need to be rounded up and medically assessed

is_that_so

prunudo wrote: »

And this is what really got to me about Leo's comments yesterday, no talk of a plan, no mention of hope, just threatening the bold children with further restrictions if they didn't behave.
I was pleasantly surprised to read some of the comments on this thread as of late between boards, other social media I've felt that I'm surrounded by people who want to see current restrictions contuine for as long as possible.
I'll be honest, if they don't relax even the 2km limit on May 5th I'll crack up. All the 'tools' that I used during the financial crash to maintain decent mental health have been taken and I'd fear for my sanity if these current restrictions last much more.

They are working on a plan and will have to have it before 5 May. He's certainly said this on other occasions.

prunudo

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

They have to do something, they can't come out on the 5th May and say there will be 0 changes. They have to give people something to look forward to

And this is what really got to me about Leo's comments yesterday, no talk of a plan, no mention of hope, just threatening the bold children with further restrictions if they didn't behave.
I was pleasantly surprised to read some of the comments on this thread as of late between boards, other social media I've felt that I'm surrounded by people who want to see current restrictions contuine for as long as possible.
I'll be honest, if they don't relax even the 2km limit on May 5th I'll crack up. All the 'tools' that I used during the financial crash to maintain decent mental health have been taken and I'd fear for my sanity if these current restrictions last much more.

Spanish Eyes

I am dying to see my family face to face. I am dying to go to the sea which is 5k from my home, there are lots of things I would love to be able to do. But will observe the rules. It is for all our good.

Hopefully DIY stores will re open ( with strict in and out and distancing rules), because many want something to do at home, that's ok.

Public Transport is off the radar unless for essential travel. Can live with that, but like many used to love the DART trip out to Killiney and walk back up the Vico Road and have a few and a meal in Finnegans in Dalkey. Gone, but hey, it's not essential.

I know I'm just talking about myself, but I live in a little quiet enclave of Dublin, and have discovered some really amazing spots over the last few days from Facebook. I am anonymous there and just use it to get info about the locality. Eye opener for me anyway. Never had the time before I suppose.

Balf

lord quackinton wrote: »

It’s called bitterness at getting bottoms spanked
They gave us abortion and gay marriage and could not believe they lost many seats

But this crisis they believe is their road to Damascus moment
Idiots

They were having a good pandemic, up to now. But they're losing the public.

Even here, you can now query received wisdom and not have a response along the line " how many deaths do you want?" that gets fifty posters clicking their thanks.

If they've even lost the Interweb crowd, I imagine the GAA crowd are developing a positive strategy to get their lives back.

[Deleted User]

Unelected CMO wrote: »

Are you familiar with medical privacy rules? Anybody could claim they had anything and there isn’t a Dr. anywhere who’d openly contradict them as it would be a clear breach of those laws.

Perfect example- a doctor can sign you off sick without stating a reason and the only recourse for the employer is to request an occupational health assessment. Even in that situation the Occupational Health Doctor can only confirm (in their opinion) whether you are fit to work or not. They can’t tell your employer what you do or don’t have

If you work for the public service (well at least for Dublin City Council) any medical certs you submit must state the nature of the illness, but eg if you had venereal disease, “viral infection” would suffice. It is to see if there is a pattern of illness that may be related to or made worse by your work situation, eg if you had a bad back and had been trying to lift heavy stuff etc.

Cork Boy 53

lord quackinton wrote: »

It’s called bitterness at getting bottoms spanked
They gave us abortion and gay marriage and could not believe they lost many seats

But this crisis they believe is their road to Damascus moment
Idiots

And your evidence for this comment is what exactly?

road_high

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

So you do acknowledge that despite their mistakes they are actually governing the country through this crisis. You are making progress.

Said several times I voted FG and had supported the current government. Especially re the economy which they’ve set on fire now.
But that doesn’t mean they are immune from criticism or getting lots wrong. Which they are. I’m not a one dimensional robot that can’t see a bigger picture or nuances involved. If they asked me to jump off a cliff I wouldn’t. But they’re forcing us off an economic one. I’ll never support that

lord quackinton

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Really? Strange isn`t it that after the GE results that most FG politicians and certainly Leo wanted to go into opposition. Explain that one.

It’s called bitterness at getting bottoms spanked
They gave us abortion and gay marriage and could not believe they lost many seats

But this crisis they believe is their road to Damascus moment
Idiots