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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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Downlinz

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Yup compliance is very high amongst the general population

It's going to be very hard for the government to sell more of "You're doing so so well, flattening the curve, R0 below 1, saving lives, hospital cases falling, ICU cases falling but its not enough. Here's another 2,3,4 weeks extension before we can think of relaxing any restictions

Another 2,3,4 weeks of not seeing friends, family, those in relationships

Come 5th of May it will have been 53 days of restrictions

Seeing the mass graves in Brazil, Mary Lou describing the agony of trying to open her eyelids, the horror stories from Nursing homes, Boris still not being fit to return fully to work, the eerie funeral processions along roadways etc makes cautious action guided by medical advice a very easy proposition among the vast majority.

LiquidZeb

road_high wrote: »

A bailout from whom? There seems to be a widely held delusion among many that the money markets will keep lending us cheap money just because we need it.
They may initially, but the longer and deeper this gets the harder that will be. If we continue on this path of obliteration then the consequences will be dire. St tony and co will be fine- it’ll be the small business owners and middle income earners that will be decimated. I shocked (but not surprised) our useless media have nothing to say about this

Don't worry the experts on here will prescribe anyone who loses their business or job with a round of Netflix to make everything better.

jackboy

VonLuck wrote: »

Where's the logic there? The majority of the population are following the restrictions, but because a minority are flaunting the guidelines it's a waste of time?

The restrictions are only useful if there is a plan. As far as I can see there is no plan so the restrictions need to be never ending unless some solution just comes along. Such a solution, such as a vaccine could happen in the next year or two but the probability and timelines are not close to be known.

road_high

ongarite wrote: »

Dublin City Council down over €100 million in revenue from rates, etc.
Unless councils country wide are to get a bailout too, they will be laying off staff, closing libraries, cutting grass, no budget for social housing.

A bailout from whom? There seems to be a widely held delusion among many that the money markets will keep lending us cheap money just because we need it.
They may initially, but the longer and deeper this gets the harder that will be. If we continue on this path of obliteration then the consequences will be dire. St tony and co will be fine- it’ll be the small business owners and middle income earners that will be decimated. I’m shocked (but not surprised) our useless media have nothing to say about this

trapp

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Are you sure about that pal?

I thought.

Maybe not on reading further posts.

Well done to the bandit luke for delivering food.

But he is too negative about the virus.

Cork Boy 53

trapp wrote: »

Sarcasm my poor friend.

Are you sure about that pal?

Cork Boy 53

cherryghost wrote: »

I'm probably not the only one but still in a minority here... but for my family our complete lockdown at our house started essentially March 12th due to close contact with my father who later tested positive. I've been out shopping 3 times, as there was issues with online orders. One of the times I spent 5 hours walking back and forth to get groceries as I was the only one able to do the shopping and couldn't carry it all.

Today I'm feeling truly the worst of it, after buildup this week, not from the virus itself, but from a mental health point of view. Working from home has benefits but 6 weeks of it has me in the edge. Combined with a screaming toddler in the terrible 2s, limited social interaction and pregnant wife I am really feeling down and out. I'm not going to suddenly ignore restrictions in place, but it absolutely infuriates me the lack of respect and complacency in our area. I fear another extension in the cards as some people haven't done enough.

I sympathise with your situation and admire you for what you have been doing and intend continuing to do.
It is clearly the case that if and when an extension of the current restrictions is announced next week it will be down to the actions of people like those you have mentioned in your post and no doubt they will scream blue murder at the government, the NPHET, "lockdown Nazis" etc, etc. etc. instead of looking in the mirror at themselves and seeing the culprits.

Unelected CMO

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

You know this for a fact do you? Marvellous abilities you have there.:rolleyes:

I posed a question and am awaiting an answer. Thank you for your concern

Penfailed

trapp wrote: »

Dear oh dear you're still here my poor old chum.

Luke my man life cannot be lived without risk.

If we choose to stay at home for fear of everything that may happen we'd never open the bedroom door.

Life is short for everybody. Even if you stay at home forever you will still die.

Forgive people for wanting to live rather than sit inside watching the TV, we'll all be 6 foot under for long enough.

The measures in place are needed to slow the spread of the virus for a short while to allow us to prepare to live with the virus.

We need to start doing this now, slowly but surely, as there might never be a vaccine.

And I'm still waiting for your response my poor friend to my question.

Why do you think, despite all the evidence, that the virus has a greater impact on children and young people rather than our older population?

Reality is you're peddling negative nonsense my poor man.

Could you be any more patronising?

ongarite

road_high wrote: »

Which shows what a waste of time a lockdown is and it's futile to continue it in its current form. It's run its course, enough damage has been done. The cuts coming down the track I'm not sure people have comprehended yet. My local Council is down €8 million already in rates- social housing and other services will be obliterated on those figures.
Replicate that across central government etc and you may get an idea of the challenge ahead.

Dublin City Council down over €100 million in revenue from rates, etc.
Unless councils country wide are to get a bailout too, they will be laying off staff, closing libraries, cutting grass, no budget for social housing.

trapp

khalessi wrote: »

He is probably one of the many comunity such as the GAA volunteers bringing meals covered up or shopping to those at risk or cocooning.

Since you are concerned abot Health and Safety of the the transport of food, you should reach out to them too

I think the poster was implying sarcasm given how risk averse our poor old friend luke the bandit is

khalessi

Unelected CMO wrote: »

You also could get seriously ill from one of Bandit Luke’s food deliveries. I’m extremely concerned that he is most likely doing this without proper HAACP procedures in place or EHO oversight. Ecoli or the like could easily kill elderly/ vuenerable people.

He is probably one of the many comunity such as the GAA volunteers bringing meals covered up or shopping to those at risk or cocooning.

Since you are concerned abot Health and Safety of the the transport of food, you should reach out to them too

trapp

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

You know this for a fact do you? Marvellous abilities you have there.:rolleyes:

Sarcasm my poor friend.

Cork Boy 53

Unelected CMO wrote: »

You also could get seriously ill from one of Bandit Luke’s food deliveries. I’m extremely concerned that he is most likely doing this without proper HAACP procedures in place or EHO oversight. Ecoli or the like could easily kill elderly/ vuenerable people.

You know this for a fact do you? Marvellous abilities you have there.:rolleyes:

cherryghost

I'm probably not the only one but still in a minority here... but for my family our complete lockdown at our house started essentially March 12th due to close contact with my father who later tested positive. I've been out shopping 3 times, as there was issues with online orders. One of the times I spent 5 hours walking back and forth to get groceries as I was the only one able to do the shopping and couldn't carry it all.

Today I'm feeling truly the worst of it, after buildup this week, not from the virus itself, but from a mental health point of view. Working from home has benefits but 6 weeks of it has me in the edge. Combined with a screaming toddler in the terrible 2s, limited social interaction and pregnant wife I am really feeling down and out. I'm not going to suddenly ignore restrictions in place, but it absolutely infuriates me the lack of respect and complacency in our area. I fear another extension in the cards as some people haven't done enough.

VonLuck

road_high wrote: »

Which shows what a waste of time a lockdown is and it's futile to continue it in its current form.

Where's the logic there? The majority of the population are following the restrictions, but because a minority are flaunting the guidelines it's a waste of time?

KrustyUCC

iamwhoiam wrote: »

The people who are breaking the rules now will actually continue breaking them if its extended . Nothing will stop them . The rest of us will continue lockdown while the same eejits carry on regardless

Yup compliance is very high amongst the general population

It's going to be very hard for the government to sell more of "You're doing so so well, flattening the curve, R0 below 1, saving lives, hospital cases falling, ICU cases falling but its not enough. Here's another 2,3,4 weeks extension before we can think of relaxing any restictions

Another 2,3,4 weeks of not seeing friends, family, those in relationships

Come 5th of May it will have been 53 days of restrictions

Gael23

trapp wrote: »

Dear oh dear you're still here my poor old chum.

Luke my man life cannot be lived without risk.

If we choose to stay at home for fear of everything that may happen we'd never open the bedroom door.

Life is short for everybody. Even if you stay at home forever you will still die.

Forgive people for wanting to live rather than sit inside watching the TV, we'll all be 6 foot under for long enough.

The measures in place are needed to slow the spread of the virus for a short while to allow us to prepare to live with the virus.

We need to start doing this now, slowly but surely, as there might never be a vaccine.

And I'm still waiting for your response my poor friend to my question.

Why do you think, despite all the evidence, that the virus has a greater impact on children and young people rather than our older population?

Reality is you're peddling negative nonsense my poor man.

Life is too short to be stuck indoors for weeks on end.

ZX7R

Much less people out and about in my area compared to yesterday.
People seem to be listening again!

[Deleted User]

titan18 wrote: »

There's load of studies going around. For the sun thing, why are there loads of cases in sunnier climates like Spain, Italy, Turkey, Brazil etc then

Ireland in winter is like the Tropics compared to Lombardy, where I was never so cold to the bone in my life. Turkey too. Much of Spain except parts of Andalusia can be down right chilly in winter. A lot of our better quality winter clothes are produced in these countries for local market and export. As for Brazil, well that’s pretty warm throughout, as far as I know. And indeed Singapore is a tropical lowland place located almost bang on the equator, so indeed the virus doesn’t appear to particularly fussy on climate.

On the other hand, first world hot places have majority of indoor places of socialisation which are very well air conditioned, sometimes almost to the point of being chilly.

trapp

BanditLuke wrote: »

When you are in hospital lying on a bed gasping for breath because it feels like an elephant is sitting on your chest you won't give a sh1t about the weather outside.

Stay at home.

Dear oh dear you're still here my poor old chum.

Luke my man life cannot be lived without risk.

If we choose to stay at home for fear of everything that may happen we'd never open the bedroom door.

Life is short for everybody. Even if you stay at home forever you will still die.

Forgive people for wanting to live rather than sit inside watching the TV, we'll all be 6 foot under for long enough.

The measures in place are needed to slow the spread of the virus for a short while to allow us to prepare to live with the virus.

We need to start doing this now, slowly but surely, as there might never be a vaccine.

And I'm still waiting for your response my poor friend to my question.

Why do you think, despite all the evidence, that the virus has a greater impact on children and young people rather than our older population?

Reality is you're peddling negative nonsense my poor man.

Cork Boy 53

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

No most people are asymptomatic, about 3.5 million got it here. The peak is over.

What is this claim based on?

road_high

iamwhoiam wrote: »

The people who are breaking the rules now will actually continue breaking them if its extended . Nothing will stop them . The rest of us will continue lockdown while the same eejits carry on regardless

Which shows what a waste of time a lockdown is and it's futile to continue it in its current form. It's run its course, enough damage has been done. The cuts coming down the track I'm not sure people have comprehended yet. My local Council is down €8 million already in rates- social housing and other services will be obliterated on those figures.
Replicate that across central government etc and you may get an idea of the challenge ahead.

Unelected CMO

iamwhoiam wrote: »

The people who are breaking the rules now will actually continue breaking them if its extended . Nothing will stop them . The rest of us will continue lockdown while the same eejits carry on regardless

I am and have been following every rule and restriction and will continue to do so until May 5th. After that I’ll continue to socially distance but certainly won’t comply with many of the more ridiculous dictums coming from Cervical Check Tony and Lockdown Leo

iamwhoiam

billyhead wrote: »

Where are you getting your 3.5 million figure from?

And where is “ here “

billyhead

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

No most people are asymptomatic, about 3.5 million got it here. The peak is over.

Where are you getting your 3.5 million figure from?

sterz

A few days ago I was of the mindset that there would be some sort of relaxation of restrictions but judging by the the articles and comments coming out over the past couple of days I'm fully expecting an extension. If it's another three weeks then that brings us up to just before the June bank holiday weekend, causing another headache for the government.

iamwhoiam

Gael23 wrote: »

If they gave an assurance that if people comply then things will be relaxed on May 5th that might get compliance to

The people who are breaking the rules now will actually continue breaking them if its extended . Nothing will stop them . The rest of us will continue lockdown while the same eejits carry on regardless

normanoffside

titan18 wrote: »

There's load of studies going around. For the sun thing, why are there loads of cases in sunnier climates like Spain, Italy, Turkey, Brazil etc then

You know it hit in the winter in Spain and Italy and they haven’t let people leave their houses since.

Time will tell if that was the correct response.

Gael23

If they gave an assurance that if people comply then things will be relaxed on May 5th that might get compliance to