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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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martingriff

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Your talking past tense here. What health benefits will exist as of today?

Well there was a councillor in trouble over a lock in in his pub with some associates. He said they were talking business observing distancing rules and the drink did not come from his pub.

[Deleted User]

road_high wrote: »

I’m sceptical of the so called lockdown having any real effect on numbers.

Based on what? The number of people that a person with Covid-19 infects has reduced from 4.7 to below 1. That's down to the lockdown. This has meant our health services haven't been overwhelmed and more people are now alive than otherwise would have been.

FintanMcluskey

blackcard wrote: »

So I am going to make a few assumptions.
Say 20,000 have the virus in this country including all those people who are asymptomatic or haven't been tested. Assume that the virus lasts for 2 weeis in an infected person. Assume that in the 2 weeks the average time it takes to pass on the virus is 1 week.
Scenario 1. R = 0.5. After 6 weeks, the number with the virus is 313.
Scenario 2. R = 2. After 6 weeks the number with the virus is 1.28 million.
So essentially it is up to all of us. If we follow procedures rigorously, we can beat this.
If we don't, it could be cataclysmic.

No most people are asymptomatic, about 3.5 million got it here. The peak is over.

FintanMcluskey

Penfailed wrote: »

People absolutely were NOT advised to stockpile food for Y2K. If they were, there would have be massive food shortages. Didn't happen.

They were by people in positions of public influence. Check out Richard and Judy. Its off topic so we will leave it now.

Unelected CMO

road_high wrote: »

And I could have a car accident and end up with missing limbs lying in the same place. Should I never drive again? What exactly is your point?

You also could get seriously ill from one of Bandit Luke’s food deliveries. I’m extremely concerned that he is most likely doing this without proper HAACP procedures in place or EHO oversight. Ecoli or the like could easily kill elderly/ vuenerable people.

Penfailed

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

What wasnt appropriate was being advised to stock pile food and causing panic among the population. And yes they were advised to stockpile food.

People absolutely were NOT advised to stockpile food for Y2K. If they were, there would have be massive food shortages. Didn't happen.

road_high

BanditLuke wrote: »

When you are in hospital lying on a bed gasping for breath because it feels like an elephant is sitting on your chest you won't give a sh1t about the weather outside.

Stay at home.

And I could have a car accident and end up with missing limbs lying in the same place. Should I never drive again? What exactly is your point?

blackcard

So I am going to make a few assumptions.
Say 20,000 have the virus in this country including all those people who are asymptomatic or haven't been tested. Assume that the virus lasts for 2 weeks in an infected person. Assume that in the 2 weeks the average time it takes to pass on the virus is 1 week.
Scenario 1. R = 0.5. After 6 weeks, the number with the virus is 313.
Scenario 2. R = 2. After 6 weeks the number with the virus is 1.28 million.
So essentially it is up to all of us. If we follow procedures rigorously, we can beat this.
If we don't, it could be cataclysmic.

Thelonious Monk

LuasSimon wrote: »

Bit much for government to be going on now about relaxation of public .
For the last few weeks Travellers have been going to funerals in large numbers , having 21STs in Longford , having fights , even set up a large campsite in the curragh and it’s allowed why should all non travellers stay at home ??

I wouldn't be trying to ape the actions of those neanderthals if I were you

titan18

normanoffside wrote: »

Here's a link to a study that shows going outside in the Sun means you won't be gasping on a hospital bed.

https://t.co/UkfYv8P8bS?amp=1

Where is your source for your nonsense statement?

There's load of studies going around. For the sun thing, why are there loads of cases in sunnier climates like Spain, Italy, Turkey, Brazil etc then

Unelected CMO

BanditLuke wrote: »

I don't have a job because of the virus yes but I'm delivering food for the elderly and those with physical disabilities 3 days a week for 4 hrs a day, in my own car.

We live in a council house but no council houses have basements as far as I know so incorrect there. What's wrong with council houses BTW?

I've lost money on a small investment because of the virus also but that's life and I value life more than money unlike yourself I'd say.

Is that all you have of have you anything else to add.

Does your car insurance cover those food deliveries? Have you been inspected by an EHO as you are operating a food service?

iamwhoiam

titan18 wrote: »

None of us care if they die tbf

We care if they clutter up the ICU beds and need staff to care for them

coastwatch

There are still 1212 covid patients (confirmed and suspected) in hospital up to 8pm yesterday.
That total number of falling, but only slowly, by around 10 per day.

The total number of covid patients in ICU is also falling slowly, by around 2 to 3 per day, but there are still 118 Covid patients in ICU up to 8pm yesterday. Thats in addition to the 162 patients in ICU for all other medical reasons.

If those numbers continue to fall at the same rate, by May 5th, there would be be around 1100 covid patients still in hospital and around 90 of those in ICU.

It must require a huge effort by medical staff to treat and care for patients in ICU, and even more so patients needing intubation, which requires heavy sedation / induced coma. A huge credit is due to the frontline hospital staff, because the ICU survival rates here seem to be around 90%+, which is far higher than reported in other countries.

I think the decisions around relaxing some restrictions will be very finely balanced, because it will have to take into account, the continuing amount of hospital care required for covid patients, for many months to come. There's plenty of evidence to show how it can quickly get out of control.

Hopefully we can maintain the progress we have seen so far in suppressing the outbreak, getting it to a very low level and keeping it there..

FintanMcluskey

LuasSimon wrote: »

Bit much for government to be going on now about relaxation of public .
For the last few weeks Travellers have been going to funerals in large numbers , having 21STs in Longford , having fights , even set up a large campsite in the curragh and it’s allowed why should all non travellers stay at home ??

Civilised people are easier to control and many here will gladly report elderly neighbours for wandering past the 2km restrictions. Playing tennis is also forbidden. The same posters and law enforcement would struggle to be as brave confronting the ethnic minority groups.

iamwhoiam

Seamai wrote: »

Vitamin D deficiency is quite common in Ireland particularly during the winter when we get so little sun, unless we are eating oily fish several times a week (I doubt many of us do) we will struggle to get enough, it's an issue for all ages.

Our GP told us years ago to take Vit D for at least nine months of the year .

Seamai

is_that_so wrote: »

I believe there are up to 1bn people worldwide who are Vitamin D deficient, not all of those are in that cohort .

Vitamin D deficiency is quite common in Ireland particularly during the winter when we get so little sun, unless we are eating oily fish several times a week (I doubt many of us do) we will struggle to get enough, it's an issue for all ages.

LuasSimon

Bit much for government to be going on now about relaxation of public .
For the last few weeks Travellers have been going to funerals in large numbers , having 21STs in Longford , having fights , even set up a large campsite in the curragh and it’s allowed why should all non travellers stay at home ??

FintanMcluskey

BanditLuke wrote: »

When you are in hospital lying on a bed gasping for breath because it feels like an elephant is sitting on your chest you won't give a sh1t about the weather outside.

Stay at home.

Make yourself a cup of tea. Take a few minutes. And think is this an appropriate response to something thats carries a risk of 1 in 5000. When NASA send crews to space the odds of the rocket imploding 1 in 100 but they still insist on it and have no issue sending men to space. Sunshine is important

is_that_so

GooglePlus wrote: »

Don't older people have lower amounts of vitamin D?

I believe there are up to 1bn people worldwide who are Vitamin D deficient, not all of those are in that cohort .

normanoffside

BanditLuke wrote: »

When you are in hospital lying on a bed gasping for breath because it feels like an elephant is sitting on your chest you won't give a sh1t about the weather outside.

Stay at home.

Here's a link to a study that shows going outside in the Sun means you won't be gasping on a hospital bed.

https://t.co/UkfYv8P8bS?amp=1

Where is your source for your nonsense statement?

GooglePlus

normanoffside wrote: »

People going outside are actually helping the Doctors and nurses

https://twitter.com/FatEmperor/status/1254006430203555840

Don't older people have lower amounts of vitamin D?

polesheep

BanditLuke wrote: »

When you are in hospital lying on a bed gasping for breath because it feels like an elephant is sitting on your chest you won't give a sh1t about the weather outside.

Stay at home.

Honestly, yours has to be the most ironic name on the Internet.

BanditLuke

road_high wrote: »

We had 6 months of the most miserable wet awful weather up until this episode. The weather has been glorious the past month. Of course people are going to try get out and about- it’s the most natural thing and good for people’s health both physically and mentally. The propaganda and police enforced measures fly in the face of that

When you are in hospital lying on a bed gasping for breath because it feels like an elephant is sitting on your chest you won't give a sh1t about the weather outside.

Stay at home.

normanoffside

People going outside are actually helping the Doctors and nurses

https://twitter.com/FatEmperor/status/1254006430203555840

c montgomery

facehugger99 wrote: »

It's a sad state of affairs where a man is abused for having a couple of pints with his friends.

Welcome to the Ireland of the Lockdown Nazis

Sad state when someone breaks multiple laws and people remain on their side.

Cork Boy 53

Benimar wrote: »

No one believes you!

I didn`t up to now but on reflection going by this particular poster`s attitude I think it did happen. People like him are the reason why the restrictions will probably be extended and as per usual of course they will blame everyone else but themselves when this is announced.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

BanditLuke wrote: »

Yes. Longer if required

Then feel free to stay locked up as is your choice.

FintanMcluskey

road_high wrote: »

No one I’ve very little interest in what he has to say either way- he stood over a disaster in nursing homes and also a ppe fiasco.
Now he’s optically being over cautious to paper over that

Its a win win situation for him. He can blame the people outside the care homes for the issues within. And extending the restrictions is a win win because he will claim the restrictions had an effect. Even though it could be argued the restrictions had absolutely no effect and most of us were infected and asymptomatic

FintanMcluskey

Penfailed wrote: »

It's BECAUSE the issues were addressed that banks and hospital equipment didn't fail. No one was advised to stock pile food and water.

No its because it was a minor issue that was adressed appropriately. What wasnt appropriate was being advised to stock pile food and causing panic among the population. And yes they were advised to stockpile food.

Penfailed

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

That was me. In the Y2K bug a small number of software programmes had potential issues that were addressed easily. The point I was making was that people were lead believe that banks would fail, hospital equipment would fail, people were advised to stock pile food and water in the UK. Now if you think that was an appropriate response to a non issue in 1999 I hope you dont lay eggs

It's BECAUSE the issues were addressed that banks and hospital equipment didn't fail. No one was advised to stock pile food and water.