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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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Lord Trollington

I realise the importance of the measure introduced to suppress the initial surge in cases and to prevent the hospitals being overwhelmed.

We are now 4 months into knowing about this virus and understanding it have had plenty of time for contingency plans.

What we are doing currently is not sustainable. Both economically and socially. The easing of measures put simply has to start after the bank holiday weekend .
By easing I dont mean opening pubs and allowing 80k in croke park. But people have to get back to work. Retail outlets, hair and beauty, restaurants and various others need to be allowed trade again.
Introduce guidelines and measure for all to follow .

A vaccine could be 1/2 years away . This isnt living . And people including me wont continue to live like this until one is found .

Look after the high risk and vulnerable. Let everyone else back to work and a somewhat normal way of life . Manage the infection through the population and get on with life .

This will strangle us and life indefinitely if not .

normanoffside

easypazz wrote: »

Problem with increasing limit is people will all pile into some small seaside town or forest park, it will be all over twitter and everybody will throw their toys out of the pram.

Those twitter hoardes just need to be told that there is practically zero risk of infection in the outdoors.
The CMO I'm sure knows this but he's all about the optics of those pictures and pile ons.

is_that_so

Del Boy wrote: »

I'd say it could be extended but by June it will have to go altogether. People won't tolerate it long term.

I really don't think we'd get to June on a tiny expansion like this. One of the problems of the rumoured 5km or 10km is that it looks somewhat cosmetic and it does not not address the issue of people whose families are well beyond this limit. I don't think people are itching to get into shops but being able to see family would be a good mental boost.

easypazz

VonLuck wrote: »

I know no one here has the answer, but do people think that there will still be a limit on the allowable distance you can travel?

I'm hoping they lift the 2km restriction altogether instead of imposing another limit like 10km.

Problem with increasing limit is people will all pile into some small seaside town or forest park, it will be all over twitter and everybody will throw their toys out of the pram.

LiquidZeb

martingriff wrote: »

That was me and no I did not suggest just that. I suggested way people may be able to get in contact with other people and have a social life that way. There was a good few other suggestions by me an others. But I suppose since it's not a 1 size fits all we should not try stuff

You do realize how emotionally immature that sounded? If someone's depressed from losing their job, not seeing family, losing their house what good is that?

nj27

VonLuck wrote: »

I know no one here has the answer, but do people think that there will still be a limit on the allowable distance you can travel?

I'm hoping they lift the 2km restriction altogether instead of imposing another limit like 10km.

2km up to 10km would be a good start, if you put it on a map it actually does open things up a lot, but I agree I'd like to see it removed altogether. Being stuck inside a 2km radius is by far the worst aspect of the lockdown for me, and the least effective as far as I can see. The local streets arm jammed full of joggers and walkers and you spend more time weaving between the crowds to maintain 2m distance than actually walking. I'd usually walk or jog in spacious park where I'd easily keep distance.

[Deleted User]

I constantly see people who cannot understand that action taken to mitigate a problem resulting in a positive outcome does not mean that problem never existed. Y2K needs to be added to curricula worldwide since it's the perfect way of teaching this concept. "What a waste of money! Nothing happened at midnight!" is the exact same as saying "What a waste of money! ICU isn't even full!". Massive effort is sometimes required to avoid disaster.

It's remarkable how grown adults cannot connect the dots and realise the problem was avoided. It seems that every successful proactive measure taken in the history of humanity has had some guy pipe up and say "Sure nothing happened! What was the point?!" while everyone else stands around awkwardly feeling sorry for his parents.

LiquidZeb

Unelected CMO wrote: »

Source?

His arse

martingriff

LiquidZeb wrote: »

Ah no just turn on the PlayStation and it'll be grand. That's what some genius suggested a few pages ago.

That was me and no I did not suggest just that. I suggested way people may be able to get in contact with other people and have a social life that way. There was a good few other suggestions by me an others. But I suppose since it's not a 1 size fits all we should not try stuff

Del Boy

VonLuck wrote: »

I know no one here has the answer, but do people think that there will still be a limit on the allowable distance you can travel?

I'm hoping they lift the 2km restriction altogether instead of imposing another limit like 10km.

I'd say it could be extended but by June it will have to go altogether. People won't tolerate it long term.

GazzaL

VonLuck wrote: »

I know no one here has the answer, but do people think that there will still be a limit on the allowable distance you can travel?

I'm hoping they lift the 2km restriction altogether instead of imposing another limit like 10km.

I think they're going to draw a number out of a hat.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Nermal wrote: »

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article242260406.html

University of Miami randomised study finds 165,000 Miami-Dade residents with antibodies. 0.14% fatality rate, given reported deaths.

Every day, more evidence that our policies were an over-reaction and a failure. That the small number of additional years of life we are saving is not justified by the gargantuan costs.

It's hard to get institutions to admit error and change course.

So just remember yourself in a year's time, when the excuses flow - an alternative was possible, that serious commentators and experts questioned the panic.

It's not so much the death rate they were concerned about it's the HSE ablity to cope.

The official stance has never denied that there are going to be deaths and lots of them and locking down is not going to change that, nor was it ever intended to - but if they all show up at the hospital at the same time, then it increases the number of deaths from other causes that can't get treated due to the resoruces all being funneled to the epidemic.

VonLuck

I know no one here has the answer, but do people think that there will still be a limit on the allowable distance you can travel?

I'm hoping they lift the 2km restriction altogether instead of imposing another limit like 10km.

martingriff

polesheep wrote: »

No, no, no. Just stop. There are mentally ill people who want you or anybody else as far away from them as possible. Just don't go there. Thank you.

Did you see the words a lot of people you bolded. It means not everybody. I will agree with you there is not 1 solution to everybody but guess what that is true for everything in life.

I will also concede I probably should not have used the words mental illness that is an umbrella word for a lot. I was also talking about people going crazy in these last few weeks. Just because my suggestion will not help everybody does not mean they could not help some

normanoffside

JoeA3 wrote: »

The power is going to Tony’s head. There’s a real school headmaster vibe off him and no one likes being told off by a school teacher. Harris is sitting up at the top of the class with his briefcase. The teacher’s pet.

Sooner we start seeing and hearing less of either of them, the better.

We might listen to him if it wasn't for his own f**kups

People have done their best and he wants to keep them locked up indefinitely to make his own stats look better and hide his glaring mistakes.
He told us the Lockdown was to protect the ICU beds and lower community spread which is now close to zero.
Not having it Tony sort your own house out and stop sneering at the public.

easypazz

JoeA3 wrote: »

The power is going to Tony’s head. There’s a real school headmaster vibe off him and no one likes being told off by a school teacher. Harris is sitting up at the top of the class with his briefcase. The teacher’s pet.

Sooner we start seeing and hearing less of either of them, the better.

Tony cervicalcheck Holohan.

Time to muzzle him.

kenmc

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Just read between the lines with primary schools. It is all about glorified baby sitting. Will be dressed up as education and the mental health of the children but really it is about baby sitting.
Not sure what the parents think is going to happen in July when they have to look after their children again as there won't be any summer camps this summer to provide child minding for them.

So what happens then at lunchtime when primary school finishes up? Or will creches and afterschools be open in June too? Otherwise it doesn't help parents at all

JoeA3

The power is going to Tony’s head. There’s a real school headmaster vibe off him and no one likes being told off by a school teacher. Harris is sitting up at the top of the class with his briefcase. The teacher’s pet.

Sooner we start seeing and hearing less of either of them, the better.

Nermal

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article242260406.html

University of Miami randomised study finds 165,000 Miami-Dade residents with antibodies. 0.14% fatality rate, given reported deaths.

Every day, more evidence that our policies were an over-reaction and a failure. That the small number of additional years of life we are saving is not justified by the gargantuan costs.

It's hard to get institutions to admit error and change course.

So just remember yourself in a year's time, when the excuses flow - an alternative was possible, that serious commentators and experts questioned the panic.

ZX7R

BanditLuke wrote: »

Not good for the open it all up warriors on here.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0425/1134732-holohan-coronavirus-restrictions-compliance/

The good doctor is very careful with his choice of words but i think we all know what he thinks of the people who arent putting their shoulder to the wheel for ireland, a right bunch of asshats who are ruining it for us all.

Yes he is being very careful with his choice of words, the article this morning is a update to last night,
Last night the article states that the nphe would not recommend the restrictions been relaxed.
Today it's he would not recommend if there is continuing non adherence to the current restrictions.
That is his personal opinion.
Wording in articles is everything!

is_that_so

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Only if you thoroughly scrub and disinfect the bin cover after using it. Potential of transmission of infection to the refuse collectors is high.

More risk from the stub of a cigarette hanging off their lips! They wear gloves all the time and we don't do this in normal times.

c montgomery

lord quackinton wrote: »

what you describe happened every day before this lockdown
the courts were full of people not following the law and not seeing a day of jail over it.
if you want to be a good sheep then baa away
i am a lion, and lions eat sheep all day every day

Lion !!
Thanks for the laugh ya douch

polesheep

almostover wrote: »

Unfortunately for me I do. An intimate understanding of it.

With respect, you have an intimate understanding of a particular person's mental illness. I object to people making comments on how others are affected by mental illness.

is_that_so

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Just read between the lines with primary schools. It is all about glorified baby sitting. Will be dressed up as education and the mental health of the children but really it is about baby sitting.
Not sure what the parents think is going to happen in July when they have to look after their children again as there won't be any summer camps this summer to provide child minding for them.

So, is this your position in general or just based on what may or may not happen with primary schools in May?

c montgomery

lord quackinton wrote: »

i dont care who believes me
i am just telling you a story that might be true or not true.
sweet uisce beatha yum yum

Tosser

khalessi

lord quackinton wrote: »

But we are told they are
They barely see their family
Maybe less stupid **** like this and they would see their families more

Maybe the reason they barely see their families is because they like doctors in England have moved away from their homes in order to prevent sprread of Covid19. ALso thsey did this as a fun PSA to encourage people to Please Keep your distance but sure why let that interfer with your narrow minded view

normanoffside

BanditLuke wrote: »

Not good for the open it all up warriors on here.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0425/1134732-holohan-coronavirus-restrictions-compliance/

The good doctor is very careful with his choice of words but i think we all know what he thinks of the people who arent putting their shoulder to the wheel for ireland, a right bunch of asshats who are ruining it for us all.

He sounds like a school principal with a power trip.

lord quackinton

khalessi wrote: »

It isays in the article they used their spare time. Unless you want them working 24 hours a day

But we are told they are
They barely see their family
Maybe less stupid **** like this and they would see their families more

Unelected CMO

BanditLuke wrote: »

Not good for the open it all up warriors on here.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0425/1134732-holohan-coronavirus-restrictions-compliance/

The good doctor is very careful with his choice of words but i think we all know what he thinks of the people who arent putting their shoulder to the wheel for ireland, a right bunch of asshats who are ruining it for us all.

What are you personally doing for the good of the country, Bandit?

khalessi

lord quackinton wrote: »

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/coronavirus-ireland-heroes-mater-hospital-21858845.amp

They can’t be too busy

It isays in the article they used their spare time. Unless you want them working 24 hours a day