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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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fin12

LuasSimon wrote: »

Bit much for Leo to tell people they can’t go anywhere for an afternoon or evening when travellers are having large funerals and 21St birthday party’s and having camps on the curragh .

That Leo is probably hosting parties in his own gaff.

GazzaL

gauchesnell wrote: »

LOL I know. Date stated is 20th April a garda out at a house party with a criminal.

Makes a joke of everything

Comical. No mention of it on RTE news yet, just the same pontificating **** panicking that people are no longer listening to them, threatening us with social and economic obliteration, and trying to move goalposts because we've already smashed the R0 target.

LiquidZeb

LuasSimon wrote: »

Bit much for Leo to tell people they can’t go anywhere for an afternoon or evening when travellers are having large funerals and 21St birthday party’s and having camps on the curragh .

Yeah but the gardai aren't as easily able to bully the travellers into submission so they leave them be. It's easier to hassle the old woman walking her dog on her own instead.

road_high

GazzaL wrote: »

Comical. No mention of it on RTE news yet, just the same pontificating **** panicking that people are no longer listening to them, threatening us with social and economic obliteration, and trying to move goalposts because we've already smashed the R0 target.

I used to think people that criticised rte as a government propaganda puppet to be a little unhinged but by Jesus they’re sticking to the government line come hell or high water- warning of the dire economic consequences to come are brushed aside as “future issues”.
The Irish media have lost all critical faculties far as I can see and 99% roll with what is most convenient or socially popular to our moral superiors

road_high

LiquidZeb wrote: »

Yeah but the gardai aren't as easily able to bully the travellers into submission so they leave them be. It's easier to hassle the old woman walking her dog on her own instead.

Yes or my friend (middle class, plain as day not a criminal) whos boot they had to check for groceries coming from the local village. He was delivering them to his elderly parents, both recovering from cancer. When is someone going to shout stop?

LiquidZeb

road_high wrote: »

Yes or my friend (middle class, plain as day not a criminal) whos boot they had to check for groceries coming from the local village. He was delivering them to his elderly parents, both recovering from cancer. When is someone going to shout stop?

This isn't anything new though. There is a culture of selective policing in this country. They know whos an easy target and who isn't.

gauchesnell

Good article on the lockdown in NZ from RTE

New Zealand seeing the benefits of a strict lockdown
In comparing the spread of Covid-19 between the Republic of Ireland and New Zealand, a University of Auckland academic highlighted the reduced numbers of community transmissions and the closing of its borders as reasons why New Zealand has achieved much in stemming the virus.

Given the similarity in the population size of the two countries, Eamon O'Brien, a Professor of Mathematics, said the number of community transmissions was key in explaining some contrasting stats.

There have been 17 deaths in New Zealand compared to almost 800 here. He referenced the number of confirmed cases in New Zealand - 1,500, versus 17,607 in the Republic of Ireland.

He also pointed out that the dispersion of people, due to a greater land mass may be one factor which contributes to the difference between community transmission rates of the two countries, which he said is 4% in New Zealand, compared to 50% in Ireland.

Professor O'Brien said the crucial factor that reduced New Zealand's transmission rate was the closure of the country's borders on the 19 March, when all non-residents were banned from admission.

He added that since then anyone coming into the country is being quarantined at the airport for two weeks courtesy of the government.

"People are being picked up at one of the country's three airports that are open and are being brought to a, in most cases, very nice hotel where they stay for two weeks, paid for by the government. People do not go back to their community and have contact with others."

The Irish figures are worrying, he said, but he added that New Zealand is now reporting just two or three new cases per day on the back of 100,000 tests, compared to 120,000 conducted in the Republic.

"Here the lockdown is serious and it is strictly enforced. People get upset and angry if they see others not complying"

Professor O'Brien mentioned that random testing of customers is being carried out at supermarkets, "to get some idea about the amount of virus in the community, and the reproductive rate is zero."

He also referenced the term "dobbing in" when people report others who are not observing Covid-19 restrictions.

"Here the lockdown is serious and it is strictly enforced. People get upset and angry if they see others not complying. They report, or dob people in to the police if they're not observing it."

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He said New Zealand's biggest city, Auckland, "is not the epicentre by any means, there is not much difference between the rates of virus there than the rest of the country", which is not the case in Ireland.

"Auckland and Dublin have roughly the same population, the land mass occupied stretches a little further, the housing density but it does not explain the 44-fold difference in the number of cases."

Another stark difference, according to the Mr O'Brien, is that all restaurant and cafes have closed completely, where they have not been allowed to not run takeaway services.

"Restaurant takeaways have been completely banned. The argument was that its not just people going there to pick up but there are people working there.

They wanted to remove as many people as possible from workplaces to reduce the risk of infection. It's all very well to be making contactless payments but there will be people working in the kitchen to provide the food. This ban will cease here next week."

Allinall

road_high wrote: »

Yes or my friend (middle class, plain as day not a criminal) whos boot they had to check for groceries coming from the local village. He was delivering them to his elderly parents, both recovering from cancer. When is someone going to shout stop?

Has he sought counseling for his traumatic experience?

AllForIt

I though it amazing that on this evenings RTE news the focus was on people getting lax on restrictions where the western correspondent didn't mention the freaky good weather we're having, when we had storm after storm after storm here in Castlebar (where he was reporting from) for weeks before the lockdown. It's almost like he deliberately didn't mention it so we wouldn't notice. We have had one of the worst winters for rain this year and I feel I've been on lockdown since January if not longer.

LiquidZeb

Allinall wrote: »

Has he sought counseling for his traumatic experience?

You don't think it's insulting for a taxpayer to be harassed while going about their daily business while certain groups act with near impunity?

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It's great how the government have access to the Google location data. Time to disable Google location services. Is there an Apple equivalent or are they just using the data from Google.

road_high

Allinall wrote: »

Has he sought counseling for his traumatic experience?

Why would he do that? And I never said he found it traumatic. Just a nonsensical monumental rubbish waste of time and resources. Which it is

Allinall

LiquidZeb wrote: »

You don't think it's insulting for a taxpayer to be harassed while going about their daily business while certain groups act with near impunity?

Where was the harassment?

Annabella1

Think comparisons with NZ are pointless
It is very isolated with few interconnecting flights and travel

Penfailed

LiquidZeb wrote: »

You don't think it's insulting for a taxpayer to be harassed while going about their daily business while certain groups act with near impunity?

Harassed? Ah c'mon!

Penfailed

LiquidZeb wrote: »

You don't think it's insulting for a taxpayer to be harassed while going about their daily business while certain groups act with near impunity?

Harassed? Ah c'mon!

FintanMcluskey

Penfailed wrote: »

None of it is permanent!

There will be weddings, gigs, all-Irelands, etc. Schools, pubs, colleges, restaurants, etc. will reopen.

Some things may change...but everything changes eventually anyway.

The only way these can go ahead is if Dr evil and his twin have a full frontal lobotomy, quit the patronising, accept responsibility for the nursing home fiasco, accept that not one restriction outside will have an effect inside a nursing home and realise it takes money to fight this long term.

Penfailed

road_high wrote: »

Why would he do that? And I never said he found it traumatic. Just a nonsensical monumental rubbish waste of time and resources. Which it is

Monumental waste of time and resources? I'd say they could check someone's boot in less than a minute. It's hardly monumental.

GazzaL

Penfailed wrote: »

Monumental waste of time and resources? I'd say they could check someone's boot in less than a minute. It's hardly monumental.

It's vital in our fight against the Coronavirus to check if Mr. Ryan bought mint Cornettos or strawberry Cornettos. If we need to pay overtime to get this essential work done then so be it.

Mic 1972

road_high wrote: »

Yes or my friend (middle class, plain as day not a criminal) whos boot they had to check for groceries coming from the local village. He was delivering them to his elderly parents, both recovering from cancer. When is someone going to shout stop?

The garda are doing their job, not need to have a go at them

Penfailed

GazzaL wrote: »

It's vital in our fight against the Coronavirus to check if Mr. Ryan bought mint Cornettos or strawberry Cornettos. If we need to pay overtime to get this essential work done then so be it.

Who said that they were getting overtime. You're blowing a random checkpoint out of all proportion. It doesn't matter what kind of Cornetto he was buying. I'm glad the Guards are keeping a high profile checking if people are carrying out essential journeys.

road_high

Penfailed wrote: »

Monumental waste of time and resources? I'd say they could check someone's boot in less than a minute. It's hardly monumental.

Having two Gardai on a shift outside a quiet village- you’ve their salaries, cost of car, fuel, uniforms ,lunches etc.
Now multiply that over the whole country, checking boots etc- so yes, you have a monumental waste of money and resources.
We’ll hear full the bill over the summer once some journalist decides they’ve no more covid misery to write about and do a bit of investigating rather than rehashing government press releases and people are wondering why their social welfare benefits are being trimmed

FintanMcluskey

Mic 1972 wrote: »

The garda are doing their job, not need to have a go at them

No its referred to as easy policing. Civilised people are easy to police. Its easy to ask a working man why did he buy so many sausages. The issue is with the Guards lack of approaching ethnic minority groups who insist on large gatherings, so no they are not doing their job to the full extent of the law

road_high

Mic 1972 wrote: »

The garda are doing their job, not need to have a go at them

If checking people’s boots for groceries is your idea of Gardai doing their job then there’s little point in debating with that level of ridiculousness. I doubt there’s anything that will make you see otherwise

Cork Boy 53

fin12 wrote: »

That Leo is probably hosting parties in his own gaff.

Not everyone has your mentality thankfully.

Penfailed

road_high wrote: »

Having two Gardai on a shift outside a quiet village- you’ve their salaries, cost of car, fuel, uniforms ,lunches etc.
Now multiply that over the whole country, checking boots etc- so yes, you have a monumental waste of money and resources.
We’ll hear full the bill over the summer once some journalist decides they’ve no more covid misery to write about and do a bit of investigating rather than rehashing government press releases and people are wondering why their social welfare benefits are being trimmed

You do realise that those two guards would've been on duty anyway? Basically, you're saying that the guards are a waste of money.

Cork Boy 53

Penfailed wrote: »

You do realise that those two guards would've been on duty anyway? Basically, you're saying that the guards are a waste of money.

Probably the same mentality as those who think that normal Garda checkpoints that catch people who drive without valid insurance, tax or are drink driving etc. are a waste of resources.

the kelt

road_high wrote: »

If checking people’s boots for groceries is your idea of Gardai doing their job then there’s little point in debating with that level of ridiculousness. I doubt there’s anything that will make you see otherwise

To be honest if we have gone to the stage where people in the country see nothing wrong with a fella having the boot of his car searched for groceries rather than this pandemic bringing out the best in us it’s actually made us truly pathetic!

I will say any interactions I’ve had over the past few weeks with the guards have been grand, all acting within the bounds of common sense to be fair to them.

sterz

Mic 1972 wrote: »

The garda are doing their job, not need to have a go at them

Seemed to have disappeared the last week where I'm based. Heavy-ish presence a few weeks back but don't see them around any more.

gauchesnell

Annabella1 wrote: »

Think comparisons with NZ are pointless
It is very isolated with few interconnecting flights and travel

I think thats the point...:)

we are similar in size and both islands. Their lockdown was stricter than ours.