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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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rusty the athlete

GooglePlus wrote: »

Our deaths per capita are worse than the US .

At least we are not trying to manipulate the numbers by failing to include care home and deaths that have not occurred in hospital, like some of our nearest neighbors. And with trump in charge I would be most skeptical of any statistics coming from the US right now.

Hooked

rusty the athlete wrote: »

It's rather bad mannered to resort to upper-case characters and quite often leads to the message being dismissed as being from somebody who is unable to express themselves adequately and whose opinion is not therefore worthy of consideration. We can all read lower case and without bold italics. It's the equivalent to shouting directly into someone's face.

No... it really isn't...

Why would this site (and others) have the function to use bold, italic and yes ALL CAPS, if it wasn't for the benefit of stressing certain parts of a sentence/statement.

I'm a designer. I've degree in visual communication. It doesn't make me a shouter. It means that I like to add emphasis to a written post, in the absence of tone, emotion, etc...

But - I do see your point. Like me, and everyone else on here - you are perfectly entitled to it. Assuming that I am "somebody who is unable to express themselves adequately" is bad mannered. Not that you said that directly.

Far too much going on in the world for me to have a spat with a stranger on the inter webs. Stay safe.

niallo27

Spencer Brown wrote: »

Source?

We are dependent on one of the biggest ones in the countries and we are back already. Everyone back the 6th

gauchesnell

Spencer Brown wrote: »

Source?

my work - dont to name them sorry.

Im public sector and we have construction onsite aswell (major project). We received an update this morning advising that it is planned to resume pending best medical advice/where social distancing can be achieved.

trapp

BanditLuke wrote: »

Decisions are always going to be taken on medical advice and yesterday seen the highest number of recorded new cases nationwide so at the minute no chance of a relaxation of anything. People have had the chance to be responsible but they've ruined it for everyone by not being.

Varadkar will now be asking for another 2 weeks imo and will plead with people to actually stay home. He may well ask the army to help with the measues as it's become clear the Gardai aren't capable enough or haven't got the respect of the general public to enforce the measures.

Sad times.

Dear oh Dear my poor man you really haven't a clue do you.

Funny also that every time one of your napoleonic nonsenical posts is taken apart you never reply.

Still waiting for your response to the fact that, unlike as you suggest, the virus has more impact on older people than children?

You're too negative my poor friend.

BanditLuke

GooglePlus wrote: »

It's inevitable that most of us will get it but it's about how many might die. The death rate increases significantly when the health system is under strain.

Our deaths per capita are worse than the US and that's with strict lockdown, imagine what we would be like without them.

Strict lockdown? In Ireland?

growleaves

BanditLuke wrote: »

Strict lockdown? In Ireland?

These young people they don't know the meaning of the word lockdown.

When I was being held hostage in Tehran we were only given food every other day.

ongarite

Building sites will be back open on 5th May with additional guidelines as required.
The biggest building project in the state is ramping up trades on site already and will be starting again at full capacity after bank holiday weekend.
Losing 5-6 weeks on a critical build while all your competitors are still open is a disaster for their current project management schedules.

Even with stay at home orders in US and Israel, Intel sites construction still open.
NY city with biggest US outbreak, building sites still operating at near full capacity.
https://thecity.nyc/2020/04/construction-exceptions-keep-many-nyc-building-sites-open.html

Shutting down massive build projects for much longer isn't going to happen.

BanditLuke

growleaves wrote: »

These young people they don't know the meaning of the word lockdown.

When I was being held hostage in Tehran we were only given food every other day.

Lucky you. Some here are starving and are forced into an almost Islamic state style existence due to the harshness of the lockdown. It's not like going to the park, jogging on footpaths, shopping as many times as you want etc.. are allowed is it, oh wait...

JoeA3

gauchesnell wrote: »

Hey Folks

For those interested it defo looks like construction is back after the 5th - great news. We got an update this morning. Not in construction myself ::)

all going well of course

I'm wondering will the ancillary business that the construction sector relies on all be open too? I can't see how it will work properly otherwise. I'm talking about builders providers, Joinerys, kitchen suppliers, flooring, etc, etc...

I hope so anyway. Time to end this nonsense and get the country out of this slumber.

donaghs

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Listening to Simon Harris on Pat Kenny a little while ago suggests there won't really be any changes come May 5th. I'd say some types of work will reopen but socially I doubt we'll see much different, but who knows.

Pathetic that they can't outline a phased exit strategy. Its easier to keep the lockdown going. Less risk to their career, covid deaths/cases fall, they still get paid.

Spencer Brown

BanditLuke wrote: »

Lucky you. Some here are starving and are forced into an almost Islamic state style existence due to the harshness of the lockdown. It's not like going to the park, jogging on footpaths, shopping as many times as you want etc.. are allowed is it, oh wait...

When you resort to writing this kind of nonsense it's obvious you are a parody account. You were doing so well but the pace is obviously getting to you. Take a break for a few days lad, recharge the batteries, prepare yourself for one more week of it before your character becomes irrelevant.

JoeA3

Spencer Brown wrote: »

When you resort to writing this kind of nonsense it's obvious you are a parody account. You were doing so well but the pace is obviously getting to you. Take a break for a few days lad, recharge the batteries, prepare yourself for one more week of it before your character becomes irrelevant.

Has to be a parody account. ~2K posts since registering barely 2 months ago. The keyboard must be in bits.

Bandit, open the curtains, go out and get some air...

Cork Boy 53

BanditLuke wrote: »

Lucky you. Some here are starving and are forced into an almost Islamic state style existence due to the harshness of the lockdown. It's not like going to the park, jogging on footpaths, shopping as many times as you want etc.. are allowed is it, oh wait...

This is what the brigade who constantly claim that Ireland is in strict lockdown can`t or won`t acknowledge. If the same measures were implemented here as in China, Singapore etc. they might have a point. We are not now nor are likely to be in strict lockdown no matter how high the rise in deaths and ICU cases. Also some posters on the forums here clearly have issues with conforming with rules and regulations along with the usual cohort of trolls and wind up merchants.

Breezin

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

This is what people who constantly claim that Ireland is in strict lockdown can`t or won`t acknowledge. If the same measures were implemented here as in China, Singapore etc. they might have a point. We are not now nor are likely to be in strict lockdown no matter how high the rise in deaths and ICU cases.

Anyone who considers the current regulations as not strict must have lived a very constrained existence to start with. Our whole society has been effectively closed down.

scamalert

theres every day few extreme ones that bundle up here, to gloat with their doom, when people should be thinking how can we make this work and go back to easing up, few select seem they will really need to be dragged out of their houses eventually, as they are happy to see some gloom news of further continuation from government, but imagine once government says here get out, as virus will be here for years, they will be ones boycotting on some thread how government is irresponsible, in short you cant win with such types of people, they will scour entire web to find some crap, or compare Ireland to Japan or S.Korea countries who are decades advanced to Ireland but whatever floats their misery i guess.
best ignored.

HBC08

So this thread is firmly divided into "lock down nazis" and "open everything tomorrow merchants"
Thank feic its a weird,exaggerated, aggressive version of the majority of actual people in Ireland.
The lockdown is a massive burden on everybody and from a purely personal point of view im beginning to find it very tough mentally.
At the same time (if you were to take this thread as an example) its shocking to see people crumple at the first sign of adversity.
I'm not a fan of the current government but they are doing a decent job on this.When I say decent job I mean they are just doing what they are told by the experts and the data.Nothing too exceptional in that you might think but you don't have to look too far to see other governments who couldn't even mange that (with disastrous and ongoing consequences)

The bottom line is people can bicker over and back on here,have meltdowns,thread bans etc and be continually wound up.The result will be the same,restrictions will continue until the medical experts say otherwise.
It's like the seven stages of grief,a lot on this thread seem disproportionately stuck in the anger and denial phase.

Padraig Mor

gauchesnell wrote: »

my work - dont to name them sorry.

Im public sector and we have construction onsite aswell (major project). We received an update this morning advising that it is planned to resume pending best medical advice/where social distancing can be achieved.

Through work as well have also seen plans for certain public sector workplaces (currently working from home) to be back in on the dot of May 5th at 50% capacity - i.e. people working alternate days etc. They'll all be classified as essential workers (which they're not) if necessary.

Thelonious Monk

HBC08 wrote: »

The lockdown is a massive burden on everybody and from a purely personal point of view im beginning to find it very tough mentally.
At the same time (if you were to take this thread as an example) its shocking to see people crumple at the first sign of adversity.

To think we managed to get through the emergency during WW2 where electricity and food were scarce.
I think as you were saying, it's 2 extremes on these threads. I don't know anyone who isn't just mostly complying with the rules right now and getting on with things with little complaint. My parents are in proper lockdown for weeks abroad and didn't get to meet their only grandchild for the first time because of all this, and have no idea when they will now, but they're not complaining, they're getting on with things.
You would think we're all a bunch of whiney soft mentally ill people going by these threads.

stephenjmcd

I think the warnings yesterday might have given some people a wake up call.

On the TII website you can check the traffic counters on national routes. Busy spots of the m50 for example are today at good friday traffic levels at peak 8am. Some down 5-600 vehicles an hour on corresponding times this week.

Could be a friday effect or maybe the warnings did give people a scare yesterday.

LiquidZeb

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

To think we managed to get through the emergency during WW2 where electricity and food were scarce.
I think as you were saying, it's 2 extremes on these threads. I don't know anyone who isn't just mostly complying with the rules right now and getting on with things with little complaint. My parents are in proper lockdown for weeks abroad and didn't get to meet their only grandchild for the first time because of all this, and have no idea when they will now, but they're not complaining, they're getting on with things.
You would think we're all a bunch of whiney soft mentally ill people going by these threads.

Well the problem is if people don't get back to work soon theres a chance they won't have any jobs to go back to. What's your master plan then or are people concerned about that just whiners?

growleaves

To think we managed to get through the emergency during WW2 where electricity and food were scarce.

Also very few cars on the road at that time due to petrol rationing.

You would think we're all a bunch of whiney soft mentally ill people going by these threads.

Nope. All objections to the lockdown - political, scientific, economic etc. - can't be seen as a dearth of stoicism because they aren't.

Social media addiction is a little more difficult to overcome when everyone is segmented into separate units with internet access.

Thelonious Monk

LiquidZeb wrote: »

Well the problem is if people don't get back to work soon theres a chance they won't have any jobs to go back to. What's your master plan then or are people concerned about that just whiners?

I don't know if I'll have work myself, but it's out of my control. I just don't see the point in complaining about it all day, it wont achieve anything. The Gov are hardly making these decisions lightly, for me what we're doing now are the least bad options.

BanditLuke

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

This is what the brigade who constantly claim that Ireland is in strict lockdown can`t or won`t acknowledge. If the same measures were implemented here as in China, Singapore etc. they might have a point. We are not now nor are likely to be in strict lockdown no matter how high the rise in deaths and ICU cases. Also some posters on the forums here clearly have issues with conforming with rules and regulations along with the usual cohort of trolls and wind up merchants.

I've said a few times now but a lot will genuinely be cracking up having to spend time with their families and i feel genuinely sorry for them, i mean that guys who are reading this and are finding that difficult.

We've found it fantastic tbh and we are all very relaxed about the situation doing our bit for the country and supporting the health service.

I'd advice the ones "suffering" under the current soft lockdown to get out early in the morning for a walk 7am or so. Listen to the birds sing, breath in the lack of pollution and be thankful to be alive. This to will pass.

Support the frontline.

facehugger99

BanditLuke wrote: »

I've said a few times now

You're right, - it's getting boring.

You need to up your game and come up with some new stuff to trigger responses.

Cork Boy 53

Breezin wrote: »

Anyone who considers the current regulations as not strict must have lived a very constrained existence to start with. Our whole society has been effectively closed down.

As someone who had a mother who experienced life throughout the WW2 Blitz in the London area let me assure you that society being closed down is not what is happening in Ireland now at all.

BanditLuke

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I don't know if I'll have work myself, but it's out of my control. I just don't see the point in complaining about it all day, it wont achieve anything. The Gov are hardly making these decisions lightly, for me what we're doing now are the least bad options.

That's it pal. The same folk who moan about the"gubbermint" all year round will be moaning at them now about this. C'est la vie

BanditLuke

facehugger99 wrote: »

You're right, - it's getting boring.

You need to up your game and come up with some new stuff to trigger responses.

Not attempting to "trigger" anyone.

Just a person with an opinion, much like you.

growleaves

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

As someone who had a mother who experienced life throughout the WW2 Blitz in the London area let me assure you that society being closed down is not what is happening in Ireland now at all.

There was no shutdown during the London Blitz. Schools and universities, examinations, arts (theatre, opera, music, dance), museums, book shops, scientific research, live sports etc. were all kept going.

Londoners could have shut these things down and hid in air-raid shelters for the duration but choose not to for reasons of morale mainly.

Nermal

HBC08 wrote: »

At the same time (if you were to take this thread as an example) its shocking to see people crumple at the first sign of adversity.

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

You would think we're all a bunch of whiney soft mentally ill people going by these threads.

Olympic-level mental gymnastics.

Those of us who want this economic hara-kiri to end are 'soft'.

People who want us all to stay indoors, because of a virus with the same chance of killing under-65s as a nine-mile car journey, are 'brave'.

End this madness now. Waiting till May 5th is just compounding our error.