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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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timmy_mallet

BanditLuke wrote: »

Decisions are always going to be taken on medical advice and yesterday seen the highest number of recorded new cases nationwide so at the minute no chance of a relaxation of anything. People have had the chance to be responsible but they've ruined it for everyone by not being.

Varadkar will now be asking for another 2 weeks imo and will plead with people to actually stay home. He may well ask the army to help with the measues as it's become clear the Gardai aren't capable enough or haven't got the respect of the general public to enforce the measures.

Sad times.

Classic! Sure why not fire up the ovens and lash all the dissenters in there!

timmy_mallet

addaword wrote: »

Correct, there are a lot more cars about. I hope people do not reverse the progress that has been achieved.

Wha'? We're never getting to 0 cases, that horse has bolted. Whatever happens, this is a minimum number of cases/deaths we have right now. Any relaxation of measures will see an increase.

is_that_so

leahyl wrote: »

Yes, but what are your views on the traffic....I've even noticed it around my area and I only go out for a half hour walk in the morning and the last few days it's been busier....not manic now.....but a good few more cars I thought.

I find the traffic and people thing to be very mixed. More cars for sure at times but who knows what they are doing. They could just be taking the car out for a spin. Footfall seems to be higher but social distancing by almost everyone I see.

addaword

leahyl wrote: »

After listening to RTE radio this morning, I'm concerned that there may not be too much change at all to the restrictions for 5th May - traffic has spiked over the last few days and more people out and about.....and still another week of current restrictions before May 5th....:rolleyes: I really hope people cop on and don't reverse the great progress that has been made in suppressing the virus in the community.

Correct, there are a lot more cars about. I hope people do not reverse the progress that has been achieved.

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leahyl wrote: »

After listening to RTE radio this morning, I'm concerned that there may not be too much change at all to the restrictions for 5th May - traffic has spiked over the last few days and more people out and about.....and still another week of current restrictions before May 5th....:rolleyes: I really hope people cop on and don't reverse the great progress that has been made in suppressing the virus in the community.

Yep, I think the problem is that everyone is expecting to get their restrictions lifted, when in reality it may be people like builders/DIY stores, etc. If you work from home you'll keep doing it, if you work in tourism/hospitality/etc there'll be no change, I dont even think they'll lift the 2k unless they just say 3k, but that wont mean much to most.

It really seems like a lot of people expect business as usual from the 5th.

Hoping there may be some social aspect to it, groups of 2 or 3 or something, but they'll need to build in the buffer as people will inevitably inflate that number and start having get togethers.

Spencer Brown

BanditLuke wrote: »

Decisions are always going to be taken on medical advice and yesterday seen the highest number of recorded new cases nationwide so at the minute no chance of a relaxation of anything. People have had the chance to be responsible but they've ruined it for everyone by not being.

Varadkar will now be asking for another 2 weeks imo and will plead with people to actually stay home. He may well ask the army to help with the measues as it's become clear the Gardai aren't capable enough or haven't got the respect of the general public to enforce the measures.

Sad times.

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Spencer Brown

leahyl wrote: »

Yes, but what are your views on the traffic....I've even noticed it around my area and I only go out for a half hour walk in the morning and the last few days it's been busier....not manic now.....but a good few more cars I thought.

What difference does it make if there's more cars? People have nowhere to go except the very few places they are still allowed to go. They're not all driving around going to visit their families.

I'm not sure where you live but where I am there are gardai everywhere and permanent checkpoints setup. You wouldn't get away with going for "spins" and tbh if you did somehow manage to sneak past one and go to the beach it's not gonna do any harm or cause the virus to spread.

BanditLuke

leahyl wrote: »

After listening to RTE radio this morning, I'm concerned that there may not be too much change at all to the restrictions for 5th May - traffic has spiked over the last few days and more people out and about.....and still another week of current restrictions before May 5th....:rolleyes: I really hope people cop on and don't reverse the great progress that has been made in suppressing the virus in the community.

Decisions are always going to be taken on medical advice and yesterday seen the highest number of recorded new cases nationwide so at the minute no chance of a relaxation of anything. People have had the chance to be responsible but they've ruined it for everyone by not being.

Varadkar will now be asking for another 2 weeks imo and will plead with people to actually stay home. He may well ask the army to help with the measues as it's become clear the Gardai aren't capable enough or haven't got the respect of the general public to enforce the measures.

Sad times.

leahyl

is_that_so wrote: »

I'm actually using Nolan as a guide here and we should expect higher numbers for a number of days. The CMO/government will always be blunt and demand that we continue to toe the line.

Yes, but what are your views on the traffic....I've even noticed it around my area and I only go out for a half hour walk in the morning and the last few days it's been busier....not manic now.....but a good few more cars I thought.

poppers

drunkmonkey wrote: »

They don't have a number for Jonny that's the problem, it's not their fault, it's not blaming the contract tracing staff, it gave an example of someone that had it yet didn't know they had. Seems to be falling down at the testing part.
Simple solution would be to text the person getting tested with a code and get them to confirm the code before submitting the test also lock them them the feck up until they have a result.
It's made a balls of the whole thing if that report is correct.

they advise person getting tested to quarintine. Its the people the met in the days prior to testing they are teying to contact not who they meet after testing.

is_that_so

leahyl wrote: »

After listening to RTE radio this morning, I'm concerned that there may not be too much change at all to the restrictions for 5th May - traffic has spiked over the last few days and more people out and about.....and still another week of current restrictions before May 5th....:rolleyes: I really hope people cop on and don't reverse the great progress that has been made in suppressing the virus in the community.

I'm actually using Nolan as a guide here and he said we should expect higher numbers for a number of days. The CMO/government will always be blunt and demand that we continue to toe the line.

leahyl

After listening to RTE radio this morning, I'm concerned that there may not be too much change at all to the restrictions for 5th May - traffic has spiked over the last few days and more people out and about.....and still another week of current restrictions before May 5th....:rolleyes: I really hope people cop on and don't reverse the great progress that has been made in suppressing the virus in the community.

Thelonious Monk

road_high wrote: »

I can assure all I’m no Gemma Doherty type, I despise all cracked pot conspiracy theorists with equal measure but there’s no way in a democratic society the kind of measures going on for the past 6 weeks are in any sustainable beyond the current without a lot deeper scrutiny than is currently the case

Well aren't we lucky we have heroes like yourself complaining on the internet, that'll change things. You're just as much a part of this as the rest of us lockdown larrys and bunker brigades. Go out and protest like the Americans if you mean business.

BanditLuke

pjohnson wrote: »

When they are also terrified of the idea of being tracked by the government you are right at Gemma and John levels of alternate reality.

The general disregard for law, law enforcement, and calling those who follow the law Nazi's hints at something else. I do hear that some dealers are starting to struggle.

This thread is packed full of Johns and Gemmas unfortunately calling everyone Nazis and the like.

Pitch n Putt

poppers wrote: »

hardly the contact tracing teams fault if they are given the wrong number for "johhny Murphy"

Not directly their fault but a system fault. What’s the point of everything shutting down and people (locked down) if we can’t get the basics right.

There should be three points of contact for each person very easily

Phone number, Address , And referring GP details in most cases.

If it’s true we only taking phone numbers and giving up after 5 failed attempts to contact the whole thing is a farce.

seamus

Diarmuid wrote: »

Why isn't there clear goals and plans in place and all being communicated? We have metrics to track this spread so use them. "if the community spread is below x for y days then we enact this plan" "if it's below z for w days then we enact this plan" None of this. All just, great job, keep it up indefinitely. Very frustrating but not surprising.

From my perspective they have been halfway there on that.

They've been clearly communicating where we need to be in terms of the data and what the lockdown is trying to achieve.

As for clear plans and milestones, I have a lot sympathies for the government and NPHET on this.

I want a clear roadmap. But I know that I'll stick to it.

I know that others won't; they will skip ahead, go on a solo run. As soon as the conditions for "phase 2" appear to be met, they will change their behaviour and tell everyone on social media to do the same, even if the NPHET are days away from declaring it.

I would hope that clear plans do exist, but I understand why they haven't been published.

Even in the absence of a full roadmap, the drip-feed of information is also necessary. If they announced on Wednesday, that the lockdown would be over and restrictions lifted from the following Monday, then people won't wait. The lockdown will in essence be over as soon as the speech is over - "what difference does a few days make".

I think this is going to be an issue for next weekend.

People will expect details on the next steps, by Friday evening. But as soon as we know that restrictions are being lifted, there will be a rush of people heading off for the bank holiday weekend, desperate for a change of scenery, and comfortable that they've done what was asked. Sure what's the difference between Saturday and Monday.

Such a rush is not ideal.
They may also schedule an address from the Taoiseach for Sunday evening, to assauge the desire for a plan without causing a holiday rush, but the details will leak before then and people will go anyway.

One might optimistically hope that the NPHET advised the Taoiseach to "add a few days buffer to the end of the lockdown, because it will start to unravel before the official end date".

donaghs

Polar101 wrote: »

I did military service for a year when I was younger. That was basically a lockdown with 160 other idiots while getting told what to do - definitely couldn't go 2km from the barracks even if I had "essential" business. Weekly or fortnightly they'd let us go home for a bit. The food was ****e and some asshole would shout everyone awake at 6am.

Now I've been "locked" at home for a month or so, don't have those other idiots living in the same room and I can eat/drink whatever I want. This could be worse. Wouldn't mind getting rid of the 2km limit, though - some variety to daily walks would be lovely.

Not having jobs to go back to, not having funding for public services. Inevitable cuts and tax rises. You don't think theres more suffering (and deaths from other causes) coming?

drunkmonkey

poppers wrote: »

hardly the contact tracing teams fault if they are given the wrong number for "johhny Murphy"

They don't have a number for Jonny that's the problem, it's not their fault, it's not blaming the contract tracing staff, it gave an example of someone that had it yet didn't know they had. Seems to be falling down at the testing part.
Simple solution would be to text the person getting tested with a code and get them to confirm the code before submitting the test also lock them them the feck up until they have a result.
It's made a balls of the whole thing if that report is correct.

poppers

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I read an article in the Irish Times this morning that now seems to have disappeared, it was calling out problems in the contact tracing, wrong phone numbers so they couldn't even contact the person to tell them they had it while these people are roaming free. Basically if they called the number 5 times and no response there was nothing more they could do, also some tests had no phone numbers.
It's concerning this is happening at such a basic level, also concerning the article seems to be pulled as it was one of the top storys. Can't see restrictions being lifted if we can't get the simple things correctly in place.

hardly the contact tracing teams fault if they are given the wrong number for "johhny Murphy"

Pitch n Putt

Diarmuid wrote: »

Interesting bit in the BBC about the toll the lockdown in Italy is taking on mental health

The language on this thread has gone seriously downhill. Nazis, lockdown merchants etc doesn't add to the discussion.

I think we are getting to the point where the lack of leadership and clear path is becoming very apparent. Very low community spread and the virus heavily contained to known and well controlled locations (albeit running amok in those areas), this should make the next steps very straightforward. However instead we are being led down the same path of "keep the restrictions with no end in sight" and no plan to backing out of this.

I saw a good analogy of the situation. Each country has climbed a ladder, some have gone higher than others. All now need to plan to come back down that ladder, *one step at a time*. But there is no discussion of this.

Why isn't there clear goals and plans in place and all being communicated? We have metrics to track this spread so use them. "if the community spread is below x for y days then we enact this plan" "if it's below z for w days then we enact this plan" None of this. All just, great job, keep it up indefinitely. Very frustrating but not surprising.

Yes worryingly true.

The country and the handling of this virus is going to end up like our health services before this arrived.

Mismanaged but as you say not surprising. This is Ireland,Shur it’ll be grand

The plan is there is no plan

drunkmonkey

I read an article in the Irish Times this morning that now seems to have disappeared, it was calling out problems in the contact tracing, wrong phone numbers so they couldn't even contact the person to tell them they had it while these people are roaming free. Basically if they called the number 5 times and no response there was nothing more they could do, also some tests had no phone numbers.
It's concerning this is happening at such a basic level, also concerning the article seems to be pulled as it was one of the top storys. Can't see restrictions being lifted if we can't get the simple things correctly in place.

lord quackinton

pjohnson wrote: »

When they are also terrified of the idea of being tracked by the government you are right at Gemma and John levels of alternate reality.

The general disregard for law, law enforcement, and calling those who follow the law Nazi's hints at something else. I do hear that some dealers are starting to struggle.

Nazis were socialists obsessed with worshipping the state who used propaganda and threats of violence to get their way
Nazis also creates “threats” to the state and its society to remind people why they were needed
Our current Nazis walking among us now are lockdowners who also you can be sure support socialism and mass immigration and climate change
The poor idiots have been brainwashed by the social media giants and a liberal ruling class
I feel sorry for them as they walk in the footsteps of some nasty Germans

pjohnson

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Actually after a good start the Gardai are of late not enforcing the new laws anywhere near as strictly as they should be. To state they are adopting a 1984 approach is complete and utter nonsense and smacks of someone who has issues with paranoia.

When they are also terrified of the idea of being tracked by the government you are right at Gemma and John levels of alternate reality.

The general disregard for law, law enforcement, and calling those who follow the law Nazi's hints at something else. I do hear that some dealers are starting to struggle.

Diarmuid

Interesting bit in the BBC about the toll the lockdown in Italy is taking on mental health

The language on this thread has gone seriously downhill. Nazis, lockdown merchants etc doesn't add to the discussion.

I think we are getting to the point where the lack of leadership and clear path is becoming very apparent. Very low community spread and the virus heavily contained to known and well controlled locations (albeit running amok in those areas), this should make the next steps very straightforward. However instead we are being led down the same path of "keep the restrictions with no end in sight" and no plan to backing out of this.

I saw a good analogy of the situation. Each country has climbed a ladder, some have gone higher than others. All now need to plan to come back down that ladder, *one step at a time*. But there is no discussion of this.

Why isn't there clear goals and plans in place and all being communicated? We have metrics to track this spread so use them. "if the community spread is below x for y days then we enact this plan" "if it's below z for w days then we enact this plan" None of this. All just, great job, keep it up indefinitely. Very frustrating but not surprising.

Polar101

I did military service for a year when I was younger. That was basically a lockdown with 160 other idiots while getting told what to do - definitely couldn't go 2km from the barracks even if I had "essential" business. Weekly or fortnightly they'd let us go home for a bit. The food was ****e and some asshole would shout everyone awake at 6am.

Now I've been "locked" at home for a month or so, don't have those other idiots living in the same room and I can eat/drink whatever I want. This could be worse. Wouldn't mind getting rid of the 2km limit, though - some variety to daily walks would be lovely.

Tokyo

gozunda wrote: »

Its evident you really understand nothing. Cloud cuckoo land really must be a lovely place to be

There's 'belligerent ****' and 'nutters' all right. They're not who you think ...

Mod: Wind it in. You've been around long enough to know where the line is and when you've crossed it.

Super-Rush

Just wanna go fishing again.

SusieBlue

Maybe I’m misunderstanding but I was fully in support of the lockdown because I was under the impression that the purpose of it was to slow the spread of the virus.
It was to give our health service time to get the house in order, organise PPE, implement new procedures and prepare additional beds.
It was to ensure our health system wasn’t overwhelmed like other countries.
I thought it was done to educate the public on the severity of the situation, to give us all time to adapt to social distancing, increased hand washing & cough etiquette and what will be a new way of life.

The lockdown was never supposed to make the virus go away. We have achieved what we set out to do, as far as I can see?
Whether we continue the lockdown till September, or Christmas, or next summer, the virus will still be here and it will still be infecting & killing people.
Staying indefinitely in lockdown won’t get rid of it. The vaccine might come in a few months or it could be a few years yet, for all we know.

We have to adapt to this new way of life. It isn’t realistic to essentially pause the world for 18 months until a cure is found.

So with that in mind I would have thought the most prudent course of action would be to slowly reopen society, with social distancing measures in place & doing as much as possible to minimise the spread.
The elderly & those with underlying conditions should continue to cocoon if they wish, with the support of the government.

Whether we stay in lockdown till the 5th or until 2021 the end result is the same: the virus is here to stay and the sooner we adapt to this new way of life, the better for everyone.

I have an elderly neighbour, a widower in his 80’s whose only living family is his niece. We and my other neighbours have been doing our best for him in the current circumstances.
He never exactly had a hectic social life but he enjoyed the simple pleasures in life.... Sitting on the bench in the park with his dog reading the paper, chatting to the ladies in the post office collecting his pension, meeting his friends for a half pint in the pub, and going to his nieces for dinner on a Sunday.
He asked me the other day when I was dropping off his shopping if it was possible to die of loneliness and my heart broke for him.
He’s absolutely depressed off his head, he is so upset & emotional, and says he wished he had died at the start of all this & he would have died a happy man.
I have no doubt that if restrictions are lifted he’ll be out & about again regardless of the consequences to his health and I can’t blame him for that.
He is absolutely miserable, as I’m sure many others are.

It’s no way to live & it’s not sustainable long term.
Not for him, not for any of us.
I am not heartless and I don’t want people to die, but it’s getting to the point where damage to the economy & our mental health is going to do far far more damage than covid-19 will.

I would rather restrictions are gradually lifted with clear rules and guidelines than having people end up rebelling and flouting them completely, which is what will inevitably happen unless we gradually start opening up society.

Jurgen Klopp

fin12 wrote: »

Was anyone else shocked when they announced the new number of cases today? I was listening to the news on the radio and when the figure was announced I was like what? Like I thought I heard wrong so I went straight onto the Irish examiner to confirm it.

Not a bit. We've seen now from various studies and especially New York who's said about 21% of the city population has antibodies that shows exactly what others were saying that it's far more widespread than initially thought

Circa 50% of our deaths have been in care homes, can you imagine given its asymptomatic nature how many case are going to there? The case numbers are going to balloon but it's not armageddon. Id say you might benefit from the math and what it means to Ireland thread, it's an eye opener to how spread it is. It's very possible Ireland's true cases could be multiplied by 10 at minimum going off what Italy, Spain, Germany , Iceland and now the US are seeing

Strumms

We shall only be financially fûcked if we can’t get the handle on people becoming infected. Paralysis on the health and finances of the state, we’d be fûcked.

We will get a handle on it if people manage the behavior of both themselves and those around them.