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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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pjohnson

[Deleted User] wrote: »

We still have two weeks to go. Is he going to say anything different to this? He has to try to scare people back inside for the next two weeks

Well if the idiots cant stay in then that may lead to things being extended for everyone. They'll grumble about "lockdown nazi's" but in reality it'd be themselves to blame.

[Deleted User]

alwald wrote: »

Today's briefing was a reality check to the anti restriction brigade. Holohan was very clear and raised some serious concerns. I think that the only change on the 5th of May would be to allow more businesses/industries to open as long as social distancing and hygiene measures are adhered to.

WFH, schools closed, 2 KM limit to still apply and to be reviewed every 2 to 3 weeks. The aim is to test the impact on allowing more businesses to open, manage any spike in cases/R0 and other important data, get them to a comfortable level and then lift another restriction. Rinse repeat.

In terms of countries that have 10K or more confirmed cases we are:
- Ranked 3rd in terms of cases per 1M population
- Ranked 9th in terms of deaths per 1M population
- Ranked 7th in terms of tests per 1M population. This is important to show that this health emergency is taken seriously by those in charge, and that today's restrictions and work will (hopefully) give good results in the long run.

We still have two weeks to go. Is he going to say anything different to this? He has to try to scare people back inside for the next two weeks

HeidiHeidi

Deleted User wrote: »

We still have two weeks to go. Is he going to say anything different to this? He has to try to scare people back inside for the next two weeks

Maybe people need to be scared back inside, because we haven't managed to get the incredibly contagious virus that's out there under sufficient control yet?

Why would you assume that he's lying, or "scaring" people just for ****s 'n' giggles?

[Deleted User]

He shouldn't have the need to scare anyone. People should have cop on.

alwald

Deleted User wrote: »

We still have two weeks to go. Is he going to say anything different to this? He has to try to scare people back inside for the next two weeks

This is not a scaring game as you paint it, this is reality and for some people it's a question of life and death.
I think we all saw in the news how many men and women, in their 30s and 40s, struggled to shake off this disease and required a ventilator for up to 4 weeks.

[Deleted User]

alwald wrote: »

Today's briefing was a reality check to the anti restriction brigade. Holohan was very clear and raised some serious concerns. I think that the only change on the 5th of May would be to allow more businesses/industries to open as long as social distancing and hygiene measures are adhered to.

WFH, schools closed, 2 KM limit to still apply and to be reviewed every 2 to 3 weeks. The aim is to test the impact on allowing more businesses to open, manage any spike in cases/R0 and other important data, get them to a comfortable level and then lift another restriction. Rinse repeat.

In terms of countries that have 10K or more confirmed cases we are:
- Ranked 3rd in terms of cases per 1M population
- Ranked 9th in terms of deaths per 1M population
- Ranked 7th in terms of tests per 1M population. This is important to show that this health emergency is taken seriously by those in charge, and that today's restrictions and work will (hopefully) give good results in the long run.

We still have two weeks to go. Is he going to say anything different to this? He has to try to scare people back inside for the next two weeks

[Deleted User]

alwald wrote: »

Today's briefing was a reality check to the anti restriction brigade. Holohan was very clear and raised some serious concerns. I think that the only change on the 5th of May would be to allow more businesses/industries to open as long as social distancing and hygiene measures are adhered to.

WFH, schools closed, 2 KM limit to still apply and to be reviewed every 2 to 3 weeks. The aim is to test the impact on allowing more businesses to open, manage any spike in cases/R0 and other important data, get them to a comfortable level and then lift another restriction. Rinse repeat.

In terms of countries that have 10K or more confirmed cases we are:
- Ranked 3rd in terms of cases per 1M population
- Ranked 9th in terms of deaths per 1M population
- Ranked 7th in terms of tests per 1M population. This is important to show that this health emergency is taken seriously by those in charge, and that today's restrictions and work will (hopefully) give good results in the long run.

We still have two weeks to go. Is he going to say anything different to this? He has to try to scare people back inside for the next two weeks

stephenjmcd

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Those foaming at the mouth to get back to normal need to wind their necks in now.

The Gov understands the economic impact, but I for one am glad they are focusing on people and their lives or deaths for the moment.

Can't have it every way.

I don't see anyone saying we'll be getting back to normal.
I think people just want the road map laid out and to be told say in 2 weeks time x y and z can reopen and in another 2-3 weeks then we'll evaluate how that's gone.

Normal wont be for a long time.

Sooner or later some sort of economic activity will have to resume, cant keep borrowing long term.

Theres just under 2 weeks to go to the 5th, they want to ram home the point of how crucial the 2 weeks are

Spanish Eyes

Those foaming at the mouth to get back to normal need to wind their necks in now.

The Gov understands the economic impact, but I for one am glad they are focusing on people and their lives or deaths for the moment.

Can't have it every way.

alwald

Today's briefing was a reality check to the anti restriction brigade. Holohan was very clear and raised some serious concerns. I think that the only change on the 5th of May would be to allow more businesses/industries to open as long as social distancing and hygiene measures are adhered to.

WFH, schools closed, 2 KM limit to still apply and to be reviewed every 2 to 3 weeks. The aim is to test the impact on allowing more businesses to open, manage any spike in cases/R0 and other important data, get them to a comfortable level and then lift another restriction. Rinse repeat.

In terms of countries that have 10K or more confirmed cases we are:
- Ranked 3rd in terms of cases per 1M population
- Ranked 9th in terms of deaths per 1M population
- Ranked 7th in terms of tests per 1M population. This is important to show that this health emergency is taken seriously by those in charge, and that today's restrictions and work will (hopefully) give good results in the long run.

[Deleted User]

JTMan wrote: »

Interesting, the bit I struggle with the 'rotating staff solution' are:
- I work for a company with 550 employees. 3 are in the office because their work cannot be done from home. What happens if one of these 3 get Covid-19? You are back to square one because they might have infected multiple staff groups.
- Even if you only have 1/3 of the staff in the office, how do you ensure 2 meter social distancing between tight desks in an open place office? Very difficult.
- If you hot desk, don't you cause cross contamination of work spaces? Is hot desking out? This will cause issues for offices with a lack of desks.
- Achieving social distancing walking around the office/at water coolers/in kitchens etc will be very difficult.

Can't see how a company could risk their staffs health by returning staff to the office, if staff have already proven that they can work from home, even if the staff are doing it voluntarily.

I hear you, but this is a very large international finance company, with offices in 40 odd countries and a high profile chief medical officer sitting full time on the holdco board and chairing the COVID response. And that’s what they’ve decided across all locations (with China offices and Taiwan already doing it). I’m sure that it will be accompanied, when it happens here, with desk hygiene, cleaning procedures, and common area rules.

Cork Boy 53

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

Listening to Philip Nolan and Tony Holohan the two men who are now somehow running the country we’re destined for this half cooked lockdown for at least the June bank holiday weekend and probably up to September

They couldn’t have been any more cautious. What’s the number they’re aiming for ???

We can’t wait for zero cases which it seems they’re looking for.

We need a proper committee formed immediately with input from more people. We can’t let two people hold the country to ransom economically trying to achieve a number that’s not possible.

This is getting more serious than the virus alone.

Ah yes. The typical Irish reaction whenever an issue arises. Form a committee and after an interminable length of time a report is issued which will be left to gather dust on a shelf in some government department. Way to go for suggesting this.

snowcat

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

Listening to Philip Nolan and Tony Holohan the two men who are now somehow running the country we’re destined for this half cooked lockdown for at least the June bank holiday weekend and probably up to September

They couldn’t have been any more cautious. What’s the number they’re aiming for ???

We can’t wait for zero cases which it seems they’re looking for.

We need a proper committee formed immediately with input from more people. We can’t let two people hold the country to ransom economically trying to achieve a number that’s not possible.

This is getting more serious than the virus alone.

True. There is no cure or vaccine for this virus. We were asked to flatten the curve and we did. There will be no eradication of this virus until a vaccine or treatment is found. Even Australia and South Korea et al are in a more dangerous position to be relaxing restrictions as they have no immunity in the population at all. A significant outbreak gives a certain amount of protection to the general population. To control that initial significant outbreak is important. We hopefully now are near to having or have measures in place to test and control outbreaks in vulnearable areas.

Spanish Eyes

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

I get the strong feeling that doctor Holohan and by extension minister Harris are more and more cautious about lifting the restrictions.

By the looks of things, eg lots more traffic on the roads, lots more people out and about and so on, I think they have to give a measure of caution to keep some rebels from giving up on any pleadings to stay safe etc.

If they said anything else, some warriors would be out in the morning kissing their next door neighbour or something.

I understand the visceral need to connect with people especially family, but by observing the rules we are really protecting them. Time NOT to be selfish, but to be in the real world.

Things will slowly open up, very slowly, but that gives hope. It will not all happen on one day.

Please try and be responsible, a lot of lives have/are being saved by being responsible.

This too will pass, have a bit of patience FGS.

JTMan

Deleted User wrote: »

We are also talking about the number of teams (probably three - red, green and blue) and the rotation periods.....two weeks at a time in the office, then WFH again as the next team takes over. Starting toward the end of the summer.

Interesting, the bit I struggle with the 'rotating staff solution' are:
- I work for a company with 550 employees. 3 are in the office because their work cannot be done from home. What happens if one of these 3 get Covid-19? You are back to square one because they might have infected multiple staff groups.
- Even if you only have 1/3 of the staff in the office, how do you ensure 2 meter social distancing between tight desks in an open place office? Very difficult.
- If you hot desk, don't you cause cross contamination of work spaces? Is hot desking out? This will cause issues for offices with a lack of desks.
- Achieving social distancing walking around the office/at water coolers/in kitchens etc will be very difficult.

Can't see how a company could risk their staffs health by returning staff to the office, if staff have already proven that they can work from home, even if the staff are doing it voluntarily.

drunkmonkey

The RO is now between 0.5 and 1, next stop between 0 and 4.99. FG hoping we all have Stockholm syndrome before then.

never_mind

the kelt wrote: »

It’s a crucial point.

I’m not sure whether people are on a wind up or they genuinely don’t understand the point in regards to the virus still being around no matter how severe and long the restrictions are. I think that people still think we have to eradicate it before we can move on.

The lockdown definitely won’t be over though, the nest case scenario will be the lifting of the 2km limit and the opening of more business that can operate safely. I can only see that being the next stage.

I still laugh a little inside when I see people say lockdown.

setanta1984

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

The CMO repeating, for about the fifth day in a row, that if today was May 5th they would be recommending to Government NOT to lift or relax any of the restrictions currently in place.

He surely has to say this regardless, no?

I mean if he said that yeah, I would lift them today, then that would be the headline news in every media outlet and everyone would hear that and think "shur why not just lift them today so?" and the genie is out of the bottle.

For whatever reason 5th of May was the date picked a couple of weeks ago, they were never going to change anything before then so if they want to maintain it up to then, they have to keep that type of messaging. Regardless of what they may actually be thinking. Especially as they have been so far behind so many other countries in deciding/announcing any kind of roadmap.

the kelt

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

Never said the virus wouldn’t be around after lockdown is lifted. The virus is going to be around for years.

We can’t wait for it to go. The lockdown is over as in people have had enough. More people on the move as can be clearly seen.

People sick of being at home and told they can’t go here or there , while others move around for work etc.

It’s a crucial point.

I’m not sure whether people are on a wind up or they genuinely don’t understand the point in regards to the virus still being around no matter how severe and long the restrictions are. I think that people still think we have to eradicate it before we can move on.

The lockdown definitely won’t be over though, the nest case scenario will be the lifting of the 2km limit and the opening of more business that can operate safely. I can only see that being the next stage.

gauchesnell

the kelt wrote: »

To be fair I’ve seen one person upon here reference pubs and I’m pretty sure amongst others he’s just on a wind up.

ah yeah I know...similar to a twitter bot

Pitch n Putt

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

This is my point. The lifting of restrictions is not a “done deal”.

Listening to Philip Nolan and Tony Holohan the two men who are now somehow running the country we’re destined for this half cooked lockdown for at least the June bank holiday weekend and probably up to September

They couldn’t have been any more cautious. What’s the number they’re aiming for ???

We can’t wait for zero cases which it seems they’re looking for.

We need a proper committee formed immediately with input from more people. We can’t let two people hold the country to ransom economically trying to achieve a number that’s not possible.

This is getting more serious than the virus alone.

the kelt

gauchesnell wrote: »

WTF is it about pubs ( I understand people have businesses)

but seriously - schools, universities, shops - all workplaces want to reopen. People are cocooning. People cant see their families.

Why with the pubs being closed do people think we are in a Nazi state.

why would anyone do that do their friends and family for a pint is beyond me. None of this I dont care if I get it rubbish. The whole point is it is not about you.

To be fair I’ve seen one person upon here reference pubs and I’m pretty sure amongst others he’s just on a wind up.

drunkmonkey

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

This is my point. The lifting of restrictions is not a “done deal”.

It is, the RO is between 0.7 and 1 based on numbers from God knows when. That could have been the start of April. If we had real time data we'd probably be in a beer garden.
Disgraceful every reporter is just regurgating bull **** stats that are meaningless by the time they print them.
It's a done deal as the numbers will call bull on this yet, nice of WHO to widen the definition of a Covid death to include guesses, got to keep those numbers pumped up.

Sawduck

gauchesnell wrote: »

WTF is it about pubs ( I understand people have businesses)

but seriously - schools, universities, shops - all workplaces want to reopen. People are cocooning. People cant see their families.

Why with the pubs being closed do people think we are in a Nazi state.

why would anyone do that do their friends and family for a pint is beyond me. None of this I dont care if I get it rubbish. The whole point is it is not about you.

Some people care about getting a pint more than they do about people dying or losing jobs it's weird

Beechwoodspark

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

The CMO repeating, for about the fifth day in a row, that if today was May 5th they would be recommending to Government NOT to lift or relax any of the restrictions currently in place.

This is my point. The lifting of restrictions is not a “done deal”.

Beechwoodspark

I get the strong feeling that doctor Holohan and by extension minister Harris are more and more cautious about lifting the restrictions.

Pitch n Putt

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Lockdown is not over, and numbers are on the increase
Even when the lockdown is lifted the virus is still around

Never said the virus wouldn’t be around after lockdown is lifted. The virus is going to be around for years.

We can’t wait for it to go. The lockdown is over as in people have had enough. More people on the move as can be clearly seen.

People sick of being at home and told they can’t go here or there , while others move around for work etc.

KrustyUCC

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

The CMO repeating, for about the fifth day in a row, that if today was May 5th they would be recommending to Government NOT to lift or relax any of the restrictions currently in place.

Is it a scare tactic?

Harris has said the Ro number is down again

I'm not sure what else anyone who are sticking to restrictions can do?

Also only so long they can keep saying we're doing so so well, flattening the curve, almost gone from the community but not good enough before the message loses its meaning

KrustyUCC

Yes think you're right there

fly_agaric

KrustyUCC wrote: »

That will have to go at some stage as well

You can't stick to just your family unit

Yes I'm sure it'll all go at some stage (I hope!), just that one (not spending time in close quarters with effective "strangers" for the purposes of spreading the virus around) seemed to me possibly more important than the 2km radius for outdoor exercise thing.