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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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Spanish Eyes

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

I get the strong feeling that doctor Holohan and by extension minister Harris are more and more cautious about lifting the restrictions.

By the looks of things, eg lots more traffic on the roads, lots more people out and about and so on, I think they have to give a measure of caution to keep some rebels from giving up on any pleadings to stay safe etc.

If they said anything else, some warriors would be out in the morning kissing their next door neighbour or something.

I understand the visceral need to connect with people especially family, but by observing the rules we are really protecting them. Time NOT to be selfish, but to be in the real world.

Things will slowly open up, very slowly, but that gives hope. It will not all happen on one day.

Please try and be responsible, a lot of lives have/are being saved by being responsible.

This too will pass, have a bit of patience FGS.

snowcat

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

Listening to Philip Nolan and Tony Holohan the two men who are now somehow running the country we’re destined for this half cooked lockdown for at least the June bank holiday weekend and probably up to September

They couldn’t have been any more cautious. What’s the number they’re aiming for ???

We can’t wait for zero cases which it seems they’re looking for.

We need a proper committee formed immediately with input from more people. We can’t let two people hold the country to ransom economically trying to achieve a number that’s not possible.

This is getting more serious than the virus alone.

True. There is no cure or vaccine for this virus. We were asked to flatten the curve and we did. There will be no eradication of this virus until a vaccine or treatment is found. Even Australia and South Korea et al are in a more dangerous position to be relaxing restrictions as they have no immunity in the population at all. A significant outbreak gives a certain amount of protection to the general population. To control that initial significant outbreak is important. We hopefully now are near to having or have measures in place to test and control outbreaks in vulnearable areas.

Cork Boy 53

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

Listening to Philip Nolan and Tony Holohan the two men who are now somehow running the country we’re destined for this half cooked lockdown for at least the June bank holiday weekend and probably up to September

They couldn’t have been any more cautious. What’s the number they’re aiming for ???

We can’t wait for zero cases which it seems they’re looking for.

We need a proper committee formed immediately with input from more people. We can’t let two people hold the country to ransom economically trying to achieve a number that’s not possible.

This is getting more serious than the virus alone.

Ah yes. The typical Irish reaction whenever an issue arises. Form a committee and after an interminable length of time a report is issued which will be left to gather dust on a shelf in some government department. Way to go for suggesting this.

[Deleted User]

JTMan wrote: »

Interesting, the bit I struggle with the 'rotating staff solution' are:
- I work for a company with 550 employees. 3 are in the office because their work cannot be done from home. What happens if one of these 3 get Covid-19? You are back to square one because they might have infected multiple staff groups.
- Even if you only have 1/3 of the staff in the office, how do you ensure 2 meter social distancing between tight desks in an open place office? Very difficult.
- If you hot desk, don't you cause cross contamination of work spaces? Is hot desking out? This will cause issues for offices with a lack of desks.
- Achieving social distancing walking around the office/at water coolers/in kitchens etc will be very difficult.

Can't see how a company could risk their staffs health by returning staff to the office, if staff have already proven that they can work from home, even if the staff are doing it voluntarily.

I hear you, but this is a very large international finance company, with offices in 40 odd countries and a high profile chief medical officer sitting full time on the holdco board and chairing the COVID response. And that’s what they’ve decided across all locations (with China offices and Taiwan already doing it). I’m sure that it will be accompanied, when it happens here, with desk hygiene, cleaning procedures, and common area rules.

alwald

Today's briefing was a reality check to the anti restriction brigade. Holohan was very clear and raised some serious concerns. I think that the only change on the 5th of May would be to allow more businesses/industries to open as long as social distancing and hygiene measures are adhered to.

WFH, schools closed, 2 KM limit to still apply and to be reviewed every 2 to 3 weeks. The aim is to test the impact on allowing more businesses to open, manage any spike in cases/R0 and other important data, get them to a comfortable level and then lift another restriction. Rinse repeat.

In terms of countries that have 10K or more confirmed cases we are:
- Ranked 3rd in terms of cases per 1M population
- Ranked 9th in terms of deaths per 1M population
- Ranked 7th in terms of tests per 1M population. This is important to show that this health emergency is taken seriously by those in charge, and that today's restrictions and work will (hopefully) give good results in the long run.

Spanish Eyes

Those foaming at the mouth to get back to normal need to wind their necks in now.

The Gov understands the economic impact, but I for one am glad they are focusing on people and their lives or deaths for the moment.

Can't have it every way.

stephenjmcd

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Those foaming at the mouth to get back to normal need to wind their necks in now.

The Gov understands the economic impact, but I for one am glad they are focusing on people and their lives or deaths for the moment.

Can't have it every way.

I don't see anyone saying we'll be getting back to normal.
I think people just want the road map laid out and to be told say in 2 weeks time x y and z can reopen and in another 2-3 weeks then we'll evaluate how that's gone.

Normal wont be for a long time.

Sooner or later some sort of economic activity will have to resume, cant keep borrowing long term.

Theres just under 2 weeks to go to the 5th, they want to ram home the point of how crucial the 2 weeks are

[Deleted User]

alwald wrote: »

Today's briefing was a reality check to the anti restriction brigade. Holohan was very clear and raised some serious concerns. I think that the only change on the 5th of May would be to allow more businesses/industries to open as long as social distancing and hygiene measures are adhered to.

WFH, schools closed, 2 KM limit to still apply and to be reviewed every 2 to 3 weeks. The aim is to test the impact on allowing more businesses to open, manage any spike in cases/R0 and other important data, get them to a comfortable level and then lift another restriction. Rinse repeat.

In terms of countries that have 10K or more confirmed cases we are:
- Ranked 3rd in terms of cases per 1M population
- Ranked 9th in terms of deaths per 1M population
- Ranked 7th in terms of tests per 1M population. This is important to show that this health emergency is taken seriously by those in charge, and that today's restrictions and work will (hopefully) give good results in the long run.

We still have two weeks to go. Is he going to say anything different to this? He has to try to scare people back inside for the next two weeks

[Deleted User]

alwald wrote: »

Today's briefing was a reality check to the anti restriction brigade. Holohan was very clear and raised some serious concerns. I think that the only change on the 5th of May would be to allow more businesses/industries to open as long as social distancing and hygiene measures are adhered to.

WFH, schools closed, 2 KM limit to still apply and to be reviewed every 2 to 3 weeks. The aim is to test the impact on allowing more businesses to open, manage any spike in cases/R0 and other important data, get them to a comfortable level and then lift another restriction. Rinse repeat.

In terms of countries that have 10K or more confirmed cases we are:
- Ranked 3rd in terms of cases per 1M population
- Ranked 9th in terms of deaths per 1M population
- Ranked 7th in terms of tests per 1M population. This is important to show that this health emergency is taken seriously by those in charge, and that today's restrictions and work will (hopefully) give good results in the long run.

We still have two weeks to go. Is he going to say anything different to this? He has to try to scare people back inside for the next two weeks

alwald

Deleted User wrote: »

We still have two weeks to go. Is he going to say anything different to this? He has to try to scare people back inside for the next two weeks

This is not a scaring game as you paint it, this is reality and for some people it's a question of life and death.
I think we all saw in the news how many men and women, in their 30s and 40s, struggled to shake off this disease and required a ventilator for up to 4 weeks.

[Deleted User]

He shouldn't have the need to scare anyone. People should have cop on.

HeidiHeidi

Deleted User wrote: »

We still have two weeks to go. Is he going to say anything different to this? He has to try to scare people back inside for the next two weeks

Maybe people need to be scared back inside, because we haven't managed to get the incredibly contagious virus that's out there under sufficient control yet?

Why would you assume that he's lying, or "scaring" people just for ****s 'n' giggles?

[Deleted User]

alwald wrote: »

Today's briefing was a reality check to the anti restriction brigade. Holohan was very clear and raised some serious concerns. I think that the only change on the 5th of May would be to allow more businesses/industries to open as long as social distancing and hygiene measures are adhered to.

WFH, schools closed, 2 KM limit to still apply and to be reviewed every 2 to 3 weeks. The aim is to test the impact on allowing more businesses to open, manage any spike in cases/R0 and other important data, get them to a comfortable level and then lift another restriction. Rinse repeat.

In terms of countries that have 10K or more confirmed cases we are:
- Ranked 3rd in terms of cases per 1M population
- Ranked 9th in terms of deaths per 1M population
- Ranked 7th in terms of tests per 1M population. This is important to show that this health emergency is taken seriously by those in charge, and that today's restrictions and work will (hopefully) give good results in the long run.

We still have two weeks to go. Is he going to say anything different to this? He has to try to scare people back inside for the next two weeks

pjohnson

[Deleted User] wrote: »

We still have two weeks to go. Is he going to say anything different to this? He has to try to scare people back inside for the next two weeks

Well if the idiots cant stay in then that may lead to things being extended for everyone. They'll grumble about "lockdown nazi's" but in reality it'd be themselves to blame.

Strumms

alwald wrote: »

Today's briefing was a reality check to the anti restriction brigade. Holohan was very clear and raised some serious concerns. I think that the only change on the 5th of May would be to allow more businesses/industries to open as long as social distancing and hygiene measures are adhered to.

WFH, schools closed, 2 KM limit to still apply and to be reviewed every 2 to 3 weeks. The aim is to test the impact on allowing more businesses to open, manage any spike in cases/R0 and other important data, get them to a comfortable level and then lift another restriction. Rinse repeat.

In terms of countries that have 10K or more confirmed cases we are:
- Ranked 3rd in terms of cases per 1M population
- Ranked 9th in terms of deaths per 1M population
- Ranked 7th in terms of tests per 1M population. This is important to show that this health emergency is taken seriously by those in charge, and that today's restrictions and work will (hopefully) give good results in the long run.

So we are firmly in the top 10 countries in terms of 10k or more cases per one million population. That sentence alone might awaken a few brain cells amongst the ‘to hell with restrictions’ brigade.

[Deleted User]

pjohnson wrote: »

Well if the idiots cant stay in then that may lead to things being extended for everyone. They'll grumble about "lockdown nazi's" but in reality it'd be themselves to blame.

Exactly this. They'll all be the first to start whingeing.

snowcat

alwald wrote: »

Today's briefing was a reality check to the anti restriction brigade. Holohan was very clear and raised some serious concerns. I think that the only change on the 5th of May would be to allow more businesses/industries to open as long as social distancing and hygiene measures are adhered to.

WFH, schools closed, 2 KM limit to still apply and to be reviewed every 2 to 3 weeks. The aim is to test the impact on allowing more businesses to open, manage any spike in cases/R0 and other important data, get them to a comfortable level and then lift another restriction. Rinse repeat.

In terms of countries that have 10K or more confirmed cases we are:
- Ranked 3rd in terms of cases per 1M population
- Ranked 9th in terms of deaths per 1M population
- Ranked 7th in terms of tests per 1M population. This is important to show that this health emergency is taken seriously by those in charge, and that today's restrictions and work will (hopefully) give good results in the long run.

And we are doing fine. Why the panic

lord quackinton

The medical profession is full of very intelligent but ultimately arrogant people who suffer with a God complex
The German SS had many doctors as members
Strange as this seems to many of you They are enjoying this crisis , it makes them the centre of attention
Witness their behaviour in lecturing the people on how they should behave, well outside their scope
They should report to the government who report to us , we should be hearing nothing directly from Holohan and co

Should we take advice from them yes but we cannot be ruled by them
They are not elected by us and we are not answerable to them

GazzaL

alwald wrote: »

Today's briefing was a reality check to the anti restriction brigade. Holohan was very clear and raised some serious concerns. I think that the only change on the 5th of May would be to allow more businesses/industries to open as long as social distancing and hygiene measures are adhered to.

WFH, schools closed, 2 KM limit to still apply and to be reviewed every 2 to 3 weeks. The aim is to test the impact on allowing more businesses to open, manage any spike in cases/R0 and other important data, get them to a comfortable level and then lift another restriction. Rinse repeat.

In terms of countries that have 10K or more confirmed cases we are:
- Ranked 3rd in terms of cases per 1M population
- Ranked 9th in terms of deaths per 1M population
- Ranked 7th in terms of tests per 1M population. This is important to show that this health emergency is taken seriously by those in charge, and that today's restrictions and work will (hopefully) give good results in the long run.

So you're saying everywhere can re-open once they use social distancing? I'm sure everyone will sign up to that.

It stands to reason that if you test more people you will detect more cases, that's a positive thing. You need to look at our death statistics in more detail, and focus in on what we can do in relation to PPE and support for nursing homes. Going off your statistics and analysis, we are ready to get people back to work but must continue with social distancing which is easily achievable, and we must do our utmost to support the elderly and vulnerable.

trapp

lord quackinton wrote: »

The medical profession is full of very intelligent but ultimately arrogant people who suffer with a God complex
The German SS had many doctors as members
Strange as this seems to many of you They are enjoying this crisis , it makes them the centre of attention
Witness their behaviour in lecturing the people on how they should behave, well outside their scope
They should report to the government who report to us , we should be hearing nothing directly from Holohan and co

Should we take advice from them yes but we cannot be ruled by them
They are not elected by us and we are not answerable to them

That's a load of nonsense my poor man.

I would however agree with your general point which I highlighted.

It seems Holahan, Nolan etc are running the country.

There does need to be more input, as time goes on, from other areas of concern.

lord quackinton

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0423/1134455-education-covid-exams/

Great news
Means schools are going to open soon

Another victory for the normals
Another defeat for the work shy

alwald

GazzaL wrote: »

So you're saying everywhere can re-open once they use social distancing? I'm sure everyone will sign up to that.

It stands to reason that if you test more people you will detect more cases, that's a positive thing. You need to look at our death statistics in more detail, and focus in on what we can do in relation to PPE and support for nursing homes. Going off your statistics and analysis, we are ready to get people back to work but must continue with social distancing which is easily achievable, and we must do our utmost to support the elderly and vulnerable.

Maybe you will get it after reading it 5 or 6 times :pac:

Spanish Eyes

Deleted User wrote: »

He shouldn't have the need to scare anyone. People should have cop on.

Post of the day, week whatever.

GazzaL

alwald wrote: »

Maybe you will get it after reading it 5 or 6 times :pac:

You said yourself, businesses can re-open once they use social distancing and hygiene procedures. People are adhering to social distancing, there's now plenty of hand sanitiser on the market. Everybody can crack on so.

Spanish Eyes

lord quackinton wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0423/1134455-education-covid-exams/

Great news
Means schools are going to open soon

Another victory for the normals
Another defeat for the work shy

Back in your quack box mate. It doesn't mean anything of the sort, and it can change very quickly to a different timescale. Invigilators need to be on board, and social distancing, and avoidance of meeting in groups outside the exam halls as is usual, and getting the darlings to and from the exam halls.

I dunno. Hope it works out.

Spencer Brown

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Post of the day, week whatever.

Ah yes because people are great at doing what they are supposed to do / not doing what they are not supposed to do :rolleyes:

the kelt

General question?

Does anyone have an idea of which countries actually record deaths and cases pretty much similar?

For example comparing our rates of deaths etc to that of the uk seems pretty pointless when they don’t include deaths in nursing homes.

It’s like saying I’m the premiership that we won’t consider any goals that Man City conceded away from home but the others do!

Just wondering if anyone has any idea?

GazzaL

the kelt wrote: »

General question?

Does anyone have an idea of which countries actually record deaths and cases pretty much similar?

For example comparing our rates of deaths etc to that of the uk seems pretty pointless when they don’t include deaths in nursing homes.

It’s like saying I’m the premiership that we won’t consider any goals that Man City conceded away from home but the others do!

Just wondering if anyone has any idea?

I don't, but I thought the exact same thing watching the UK update. You then have people manipulating our more accurate figures to try to justify destroying people's lives socially and economically.

bloodless_coup

Can't wait for that creamy pint on the 5th.

snowcat

the kelt wrote: »

General question?

Does anyone have an idea of which countries actually record deaths and cases pretty much similar?

For example comparing our rates of deaths etc to that of the uk seems pretty pointless when they don’t include deaths in nursing homes.

It’s like saying I’m the premiership that we won’t consider any goals that Man City conceded away from home but the others do!

Just wondering if anyone has any idea?

Belgium France and ourselves do, Belgium are going to start revising down their figures soon as they have possible over estimation same as Ireland.