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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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fly_agaric

aidoh wrote: »

Absolutely - this 2 km limit is killing me. I haven't seen my fiancee in nearly 6 weeks now. Same goes for family and friends. I'll be devastated if the 2 km limit isn't lifted on May 5th.

Assuming you must not live with any of those people...think that falls under recommendation of not socialising/meeting up with people outside your own household.

Afair that it is separate to the "2km" restriction though probably (as your comment suggests) once people are much freer to travel around the place, it might go by the board as well.

gauchesnell

is_that_so wrote: »

We're at the edge of it now. It was mentioned very early on as a risk.

Yeah I am bored of it. Safety first etc but nope it is draining.

Cork Boy 53

Deleted User wrote: »

That you thought I was being serious is remarkable. There is no one in the land who thinks that might happen.

Actually there are some loonies who believe that is exactly what will happen.

is_that_so

Deleted User wrote: »

Returning to large corporate offices will be the last to return to normal I think. Or at least it should be. I’m certainly geared up to be WFH until September at the earliest. The economic cost of employees working from home compared to, say, the economic cost of self employed tradesmen not being able to work or retail being shut, is minimal. And so there is little to gain, and much to risk (in terms of R0) by pushing all the office commuters back into the Luas or bus

Most people I know have been told there is a plan being developed and while not all of them will go in, everyone will be expected to make an appearance.

gauchesnell

Deleted User wrote: »

Returning to large corporate offices will be the last to return to normal I think. Or at least it should be. I’m certainly geared up to be WFH until September at the earliest. The economic cost of employees working from home compared to, say, the economic cost of self employed tradesmen not being able to work or retail being shut, is minimal. And so there is little to gain, and much to risk (in terms of R0) by pushing all the office commuters back into the Luas or bus

oh dear

is_that_so

rodders999 wrote: »

The R rate down to as low as .5 now. Great news, even the grief porn merchants will struggle to find a negative in that.

I wouldn't be so sure. Someone wondering whether it's a "crude" number and another poster demanding proof on the main thread!

[Deleted User]

cnbyz wrote: »

I wonder when will we be able to return to the office. I reckon that'd be the last to be lifted. Theres no way i am getting on a luas to get to work everyday.

Returning to large corporate offices will be the last to return to normal I think. Or at least it should be. I’m certainly geared up to be WFH until September at the earliest. The economic cost of employees working from home compared to, say, the economic cost of self employed tradesmen not being able to work or retail being shut, is minimal. And so there is little to gain, and much to risk (in terms of R0) by pushing all the office commuters back into the Luas or bus

rodders999

The R rate down to as low as .5 now. Great news, even the grief porn merchants will struggle to find a negative in that.

cnbyz

I wonder when will we be able to return to the office. I reckon that'd be the last to be lifted. Theres no way i am getting on a luas to get to work everyday.

is_that_so

gauchesnell wrote: »

Personally I think it is lockdown fatique. It is draining

We're at the edge of it now. It was mentioned very early on as a risk.

gauchesnell

JJJJNR wrote: »

It'll be very much socialise at your own risk, contact tracing in China has identified air conditioning as a hot spot for transmissions. The pubs / clubs will not be opening any time soon..

Time to buy a set of decks ,a generator and a sound system I think.

yes but also a risk to staff..do you think they will install sneeze guards in pubs like what we see in shops now.

gauchesnell

walshb wrote: »

I am sure it's been mentioned and I am sure most will agree, but there is a general public relaxation going on the past few days...well, at least around me.

Personally I think it is lockdown fatique. It is draining

is_that_so

BanditLuke wrote: »

You can't 100% guarantee that. Stop talking sh1te

On balance and with R0 now down to 0.5 there's a very good chance the current restriction will be lifted come 5 May. For everything else and assuming no huge leap in cases it will be very slow. I reckon a draft of the plan will be out by the middle of next week. My guess is adjustments every two weeks.

walshb

I am sure it's been mentioned and I am sure most will agree, but there is a general public relaxation going on the past few days...well, at least around me.

JJJJNR

It'll be very much socialise at your own risk, contact tracing in China has identified air conditioning as a hot spot for transmissions. The pubs / clubs will not be opening any time soon..

Time to buy a set of decks ,a generator and a sound system I think.

Dr. Bre

cian68 wrote: »

Same place you got your info from I suppose. Everybody is pulling stuff out their arse

I know the lockdown is bad but has it come to this!

gauchesnell

agree...certain occupations and maybe some offices on a phased basis. see how it goes etc

social distancing is in place in shops now - queueing and hand washing. That needs to come into the workplace

I can imagine same in a coffee shop but in a pub or nightclub. Dunno.

Retr0gamer

I think it will be a very slow easing of restrictions. Most retail, hotels, restaurants and pubs will be the very last things to come back. If there's any talk of ease of restrictions it will be certain occupations allowed back to work such as building sites.

gauchesnell

well who knows here. People on here seem to think they are in prison. If I can leave the 2km restriction and visit family id be happy.

[Deleted User]

gauchesnell wrote: »

behind a sneeze guard of course!!!

You are not serious though of course. Would people here really put staff at risk like that???

That you thought I was being serious is remarkable. There is no one in the land who thinks that might happen.

gauchesnell

I know...people do understand mass gatherings dont just mean entertainment or sport. They can also mean businesses or campuses.

the first case here was in a school remember

Jeaimi

Over on the 5th? Where are people going to leave their kids with all the creches closed? Creches will not coming back to capacity anytime soon. Hopefully they'll have scheme in place for health care workers by then but that will be the extant of it. Any social distancing restrictions will mean no return to creches as normal, unless you want 20,000 child care workers on strike.

gauchesnell

Deleted User wrote: »

Coppers followed by Iskanders. Bring it on!!!!

behind a sneeze guard of course!!!

You are not serious though of course. Would people here really put staff at risk like that???

[Deleted User]

ek motor wrote: »

In what way do you think the country will be 'open for business' on the 5th ?

Coppers followed by Iskanders. Bring it on!!!!

ek motor

doylefe wrote: »

No harm in driving down. 2km is completely arbitrary. The country will be pretty much open for business on the 5th. It's over.

In what way do you think the country will be 'open for business' on the 5th ?

s7ryf3925pivug

Retr0gamer wrote: »

With regards to the 2 km restriction, the vast majority of towns villages and population centers are more than 2 km from each other. If an outbreak occurs within a population center the 2 km limit should effectively contain it in that population center and should also slow its spread within said population center. It's far from an arbitrary figure pulled from their arses. Pandemic spread can be simulated very accurately and tested against factors such as a 2 km restriction of movement.

The places I would go are all local to my population centre. But it is rural so they are more than 2km away and disused as a result. Meanwhile everyone goes to the same linear paths that are available.

Make more sense to just use the actual borders of townlands (or whatever the correct word is)

cian68

doylefe wrote: »

No harm in driving down. 2km is completely arbitrary. The country will be pretty much open for business on the 5th. It's over.

I'm glad that's over so. Was worried for a minute

Retr0gamer

With regards to the 2 km restriction, the vast majority of towns villages and population centers are more than 2 km from each other. If an outbreak occurs within a population center the 2 km limit should effectively contain it in that population center and should also slow its spread within said population center. It's far from an arbitrary figure pulled from their arses. Pandemic spread can be simulated very accurately and tested against factors such as a 2 km restriction of movement.

gauchesnell

doylefe wrote: »

No harm in driving down. 2km is completely arbitrary. The country will be pretty much open for business on the 5th. It's over.

Im sorry its not. I work in a university. Getting 6000 people in one building is a massive risk

[Deleted User]

boris1234 wrote: »

I'm from Cork but based in Dublin. Myself and my wife are really hoping to be able to visit our families in Cork after the 5th but it seems any easing of restrictions may not allow that. Any thoughts?

One the one hand I think it unlikely that there be unfettered movement around the country immediately. But the moment that self employed tradespeople like plasterers and fitters are let to do their work (which I think will be quite early in the rollback) any limitations on distance of travel will become pretty much impossible to police