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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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Nitrogan

growleaves wrote: »

Conversely, lets ban motor cars, cigarettes, excess sugar, and make exercise and fasting mandatory since health and biological life-span are now the only criteria of governance.

Why?

These risks are already known and the appropriate restrictions are in place.

How many people contract Covid 19 every year and what is the death rate?

the kelt

Cal4567 wrote: »

The posters with the "guaranteed it's all over on 5th May" attitude are all those who've been against this from the start. In early March, they were 'it's only a flu' brigade, then they were appalled at the mere mention of Paddys Day being cancelled. Since the lockdown they have been demanding easing of restrictions. I suspect they are losing financially big time. So am I. I'm a small business owner.

I value saving a life over my profits. The small decrease and easing in restrictions now is the safe way to go. I'm happy to take the experts advice here.

Im sorry but thats a huge generalisation.

Many if not the majority of people were for the lockdown, indeed most believed it should have been brought in earlier. Sure there are some exceptions such as the loons in the 4 courts the other day.

But the majority recognise the need for the lockdown but also recognise the need for easing of those restrictions when appropriate.

There are people on here who are just wind up merchants, they quite rightly pointed out when the restrictions came in that we should listen to the experts on this, likewise when those restrictions were extended we should listen to the experts yet when talk shifts to easing of the restrictions we shouldnt listen to said same experts.

On the flip side you have those who said the experts were wrong at the beginning in regards to a lock down and the extension but no say we should listen to them.

The vast majority recognise the need for the restrictions at the time but also realise that at some stage we do need to ease those restrictions.

[Deleted User]

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

The non-blunt instrument of asking people nicely to observe social distancing the weekend before the restrictions were actually brought in didn't work very well!

I'd hate to be in charge of trying to roll this whole shebang back - I have visions of the whole country going absolutely bananas the minute even one word is mentioned about "restrictions relaxed" :eek:

I disagree. There will be people who will behave irresponsibly, but they always will, no matter what

My observations of the parks and streets and stores around me is that people are very aware and distancing where possible. If we were to rollback on 5th to how we were immediately before this current lockdown, as a first phase, I really don’t think there would be a problem, given this awareness. Self employed tradespeople could get back to work (I had people round to fit floors in that period, and they were so careful. I had to leave, they were masked, they cleaned everywhere.....there was no risk), we could go for a bike ride in the mountains, get a take out coffee, go for a walk with a friend etc

This would be a sensible first step for me

aidoh

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I disagree. There will be people who will behave irresponsibly, but they always will, no matter what

My observations of the parks and streets and stores around me is that people are very aware and distancing where possible. If we were to rollback on 5th to how we were immediately before this current lockdown, as a first phase, I really don’t think there would be a problem, given this awareness. Self employed tradespeople could get back to work (I had people round to fit floors in that period, and they were so careful. I had to leave, they were masked, they cleaned everywhere.....there was no risk), we could go for a bike ride in the mountains, get a take out coffee, go for a walk with a friend etc

This would be a sensible first step for me

Absolutely - this 2 km limit is killing me. I haven't seen my fiancee in nearly 6 weeks now. Same goes for family and friends. I'll be devastated if the 2 km limit isn't lifted on May 5th.

Personally I have no grandparents left, no vulnerable family members or friends who would be more at risk than average. I'm very lucky. That's why it seriously p!sses me off when I read posts in this thread (not the ones I'm quoting here btw) assuming everyone in favour of easing restrictions ASAP is acting selfishly and just wants to "Go FoR a PiNt!"

I understand the 2 km limit was to discourage large gatherings at beaches, in parks etc. but surely to God it could've been easier to close off these places instead of effectively punishing (that's how it feels) every single person in the country by not allowing them to see loved ones who live more than a 20 minute walk away.

In retrospect the 2 km thing feels like a stupid restriction but I'm sure I could be persuaded otherwise - just very browned off with it at this stage.

Seanachai

Tenzor07 wrote: »

As well as we're doing, I get the feeling the current lockdown will be extended to June 2nd before another review.

Varadkar has said "However, he cautioned that certain stricter measures might have to be introduced."

Weather than means we follow the Spanish or Italian lockdowns and remove the 2km allowance for exercise completely, and only once a day allowance to leave your home for essential medical or food supplies and with a signed form required...

Well if they want even the more compliant people to just snap that's a good way to go about it. This virus isn't a kill-all plague, there is no way it justifies a lock-down even more severe than the current one.

hmmm

Deleted User wrote: »

My observations of the parks and streets and stores around me is that people are very aware and distancing where possible. If we were to rollback on 5th to how we were immediately before this current lockdown, as a first phase, I really don’t think there would be a problem, given this awareness.

Agreed, awareness is good. We need a very clear message from the government that the virus is still in circulation, and anything that opens up needs to be very careful about ensuring distancing. Messaging will be very important, and I suspect the government can't wait until May 5 as people are making their own decisions.

I see in the US there is a push to move things outdoors where air circulation is good. Not ideal in our country, but an idea.

Certainly anything outdoors should be opened in my view based on the data about cases. It was wrong to close national parks and beaches (I'm not giving out, hindsight makes things easier).

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aidoh wrote: »

In retrospect the 2 km thing feels like a stupid restriction but I'm sure I could be persuaded otherwise - just very browned off with it at this stage.

The 2km idea is, I presume, to ensure people can still get out and exercise, but stops them driving somewhere to get that exercise. Dublin has 50-odd% or more of the cases nationwide. Nice weather could see lots of people leaving Dublin and heading off to wicklow, wexford, etc, saying they're going for a walk. Or Enniskerry getting invaded by cyclists like a normal weekend.

It limits people driving places for work and shopping only, so contains the spread.

Ms2011

Strumms wrote: »

The correct thing would and is like my dentist... opening up and making himself available only for emergency’s. If your dentist is seeing patients on spec or by regular appointment, for checkups or to perform procedures that are wholly cosmetic or non emergency restorative procedures I’d think very little of them...

Where did I say any of that?

boris1234

I'm from Cork but based in Dublin. Myself and my wife are really hoping to be able to visit our families in Cork after the 5th but it seems any easing of restrictions may not allow that. Any thoughts?

HeidiHeidi

boris1234 wrote: »

I'm from Cork but based in Dublin. Myself and my wife are really hoping to be able to visit our families in Cork after the 5th but it seems any easing of restrictions may not allow that. Any thoughts?

Nobody has the faintest idea of what, if any, easing of restrictions will look like.

That's the reality.

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boris1234 wrote: »

I'm from Cork but based in Dublin. Myself and my wife are really hoping to be able to visit our families in Cork after the 5th but it seems any easing of restrictions may not allow that. Any thoughts?

Unlikely, looking at other countries, it's more about getting some people back to work, but very limited. However, Belgium has said you can hang out with up to 10 friends at weekends, as long as it's always the same 10 friends.

bloodless_coup

boris1234 wrote: »

I'm from Cork but based in Dublin. Myself and my wife are really hoping to be able to visit our families in Cork after the 5th but it seems any easing of restrictions may not allow that. Any thoughts?

No harm in driving down. 2km is completely arbitrary. The country will be pretty much open for business on the 5th. It's over.

gauchesnell

boris1234 wrote: »

I'm from Cork but based in Dublin. Myself and my wife are really hoping to be able to visit our families in Cork after the 5th but it seems any easing of restrictions may not allow that. Any thoughts?

YES!!!!...I would defo hope to. Like the previous poster said maybe an easeback to what we like before the current restrictions. I would be out of the Dublin like a shot.

I think people are forgetting how prevalent cov-19 was before this current situation. It was in workplaces and schools. My own work had a case.

s7ryf3925pivug

Is cocooning - in the sense of the elderly not leaving their homes at all - advice or an instruction?

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boris1234 wrote: »

I'm from Cork but based in Dublin. Myself and my wife are really hoping to be able to visit our families in Cork after the 5th but it seems any easing of restrictions may not allow that. Any thoughts?

One the one hand I think it unlikely that there be unfettered movement around the country immediately. But the moment that self employed tradespeople like plasterers and fitters are let to do their work (which I think will be quite early in the rollback) any limitations on distance of travel will become pretty much impossible to police

gauchesnell

doylefe wrote: »

No harm in driving down. 2km is completely arbitrary. The country will be pretty much open for business on the 5th. It's over.

Im sorry its not. I work in a university. Getting 6000 people in one building is a massive risk

Retr0gamer

With regards to the 2 km restriction, the vast majority of towns villages and population centers are more than 2 km from each other. If an outbreak occurs within a population center the 2 km limit should effectively contain it in that population center and should also slow its spread within said population center. It's far from an arbitrary figure pulled from their arses. Pandemic spread can be simulated very accurately and tested against factors such as a 2 km restriction of movement.

cian68

doylefe wrote: »

No harm in driving down. 2km is completely arbitrary. The country will be pretty much open for business on the 5th. It's over.

I'm glad that's over so. Was worried for a minute

s7ryf3925pivug

Retr0gamer wrote: »

With regards to the 2 km restriction, the vast majority of towns villages and population centers are more than 2 km from each other. If an outbreak occurs within a population center the 2 km limit should effectively contain it in that population center and should also slow its spread within said population center. It's far from an arbitrary figure pulled from their arses. Pandemic spread can be simulated very accurately and tested against factors such as a 2 km restriction of movement.

The places I would go are all local to my population centre. But it is rural so they are more than 2km away and disused as a result. Meanwhile everyone goes to the same linear paths that are available.

Make more sense to just use the actual borders of townlands (or whatever the correct word is)

ek motor

doylefe wrote: »

No harm in driving down. 2km is completely arbitrary. The country will be pretty much open for business on the 5th. It's over.

In what way do you think the country will be 'open for business' on the 5th ?

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ek motor wrote: »

In what way do you think the country will be 'open for business' on the 5th ?

Coppers followed by Iskanders. Bring it on!!!!

gauchesnell

Deleted User wrote: »

Coppers followed by Iskanders. Bring it on!!!!

behind a sneeze guard of course!!!

You are not serious though of course. Would people here really put staff at risk like that???

Jeaimi

Over on the 5th? Where are people going to leave their kids with all the creches closed? Creches will not coming back to capacity anytime soon. Hopefully they'll have scheme in place for health care workers by then but that will be the extant of it. Any social distancing restrictions will mean no return to creches as normal, unless you want 20,000 child care workers on strike.

gauchesnell

I know...people do understand mass gatherings dont just mean entertainment or sport. They can also mean businesses or campuses.

the first case here was in a school remember

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gauchesnell wrote: »

behind a sneeze guard of course!!!

You are not serious though of course. Would people here really put staff at risk like that???

That you thought I was being serious is remarkable. There is no one in the land who thinks that might happen.

gauchesnell

well who knows here. People on here seem to think they are in prison. If I can leave the 2km restriction and visit family id be happy.

Retr0gamer

I think it will be a very slow easing of restrictions. Most retail, hotels, restaurants and pubs will be the very last things to come back. If there's any talk of ease of restrictions it will be certain occupations allowed back to work such as building sites.

gauchesnell

agree...certain occupations and maybe some offices on a phased basis. see how it goes etc

social distancing is in place in shops now - queueing and hand washing. That needs to come into the workplace

I can imagine same in a coffee shop but in a pub or nightclub. Dunno.

Dr. Bre

cian68 wrote: »

Same place you got your info from I suppose. Everybody is pulling stuff out their arse

I know the lockdown is bad but has it come to this!

JJJJNR

It'll be very much socialise at your own risk, contact tracing in China has identified air conditioning as a hot spot for transmissions. The pubs / clubs will not be opening any time soon..

Time to buy a set of decks ,a generator and a sound system I think.