Dr de Brun argued that such strategies, including lockdown and social distancing, would also allow the virus time to mutate and delay any herd immunity that might be achieved. In the same blog post, he criticised the Government’s response for being too focused on minimising the chances of the health system being overloaded. He argued that due to relatively low population density and the age profile of the population, a more tailored approach to combating the virus should have been deployed by Ireland. “Unfortunately, Ireland has not tailored its response to reflect these factors, but instead, has simply followed the lead of other jurisdictions, with entirely different demographics and mortality/morbidity statistics.” In his analysis, the Irish strategy should have been focused on isolating at-risk groups, including older people, rather than confining the entire population. “Those most at risk, vis the elderly and nursing home residents, have featured as something of an afterthought,” he said. “Unquestionably the most vulnerable cohort of patients in Ireland are those residents of nursing homes. This fact should have been entirely obvious to all involved in the management of the crisis,” he wrote.
fr336 wrote: » We're in April, Fintan. 3 and a half weeks of lockdown. Summer still all to play for if it's done properly. But the mindset of "go go go get whole economy back up now now now" is precisely one of the reasons there may be more extensions.
FintanMcluskey wrote: » Are you a teacher who is including 2 weeks holiday at easter not part of lockdown?
bettyoleary wrote: » But that wasn't the reason he resigned was it? I thought he resigned because of the way the un elected govt dealt with the elderly of our country or didn't deal with them to be exact
fr336 wrote: » Nope. I can just cope with a few weeks of this to save many lives and businesses. School holidays are at least 6 weeks, when most of the country goes on holiday. No big deal then.
niallo27 wrote: » See how things go, you cant tell businesses sure wait and see there how it goes.
FintanMcluskey wrote: » Absoultely not. No evidence that lockdowns will have any effect on yearly death toll
fr336 wrote: » So you want everything back to normal in a rush? No restrictions at all, no cautions...just lazy, no thought, back to the way things were? Genius!
GazzaL wrote: » Fair play to him. Carpe diem. He's not the only elderly person with that attitude. I know a few pensioners who are clamouring to go back to work as well, both worked full time before the lockdown.
growleaves wrote: » Link Dr de Brun argued that such strategies, including lockdown and social distancing, would also allow the virus time to mutate and delay any herd immunity that might be achieved. In the same blog post, he criticised the Government’s response for being too focused on minimising the chances of the health system being overloaded. He argued that due to relatively low population density and the age profile of the population, a more tailored approach to combating the virus should have been deployed by Ireland. “Unfortunately, Ireland has not tailored its response to reflect these factors, but instead, has simply followed the lead of other jurisdictions, with entirely different demographics and mortality/morbidity statistics.” In his analysis, the Irish strategy should have been focused on isolating at-risk groups, including older people, rather than confining the entire population. “Those most at risk, vis the elderly and nursing home residents, have featured as something of an afterthought,” he said. “Unquestionably the most vulnerable cohort of patients in Ireland are those residents of nursing homes. This fact should have been entirely obvious to all involved in the management of the crisis,” he wrote.
niallo27 wrote: » One of the largest construction groups in the country are back the 6th of May. Lots of things happening behind the scenes.
FintanMcluskey wrote: » Ok well best of luck that. Will you let me know how those lives are in September and how those business are getting on
Spanish Eyes wrote: » Ironically (apart from those who need care settings) the cocooning group in the main are the healthy and wealthy ones who will sustain the economy in the long run. Was listening (for about five minutes) to a lady on Joe Duffy, yes I know, but I can now that am wfh. And she was in Portland, Seattle, Lahinch and TallaghtCante in Spain over the last six months. They are our future. The rest of us are in debt. We need to keep them alive to pay for all this. Forget this at your peril.
Icyseanfitz wrote: » maybe I am just dim witted but are you saying lock-downs have zero effect on transmission numbers and then because of that the death numbers?
DeVore wrote: » Easy game to play backwards.
road_high wrote: » No. Early March stuff started cancelling for me. We’re close to two months of closures/lockdowns of various degrees. Time to call a halt to the madness and resume some semblance of normality.
fr336 wrote: » We're in April, Fintan. September is 5 months away. With your "strategy" restrictions lifted too early, huge surge in cases (including people off sick) and deaths, and economic chaos. Then this continues into September, perhaps into next year. Best way to deal with a once in a lifetime crisis? Nip it in the bud rather than keep coming back to it and prolonging the disruption.
cian68 wrote: » What makes you think we are ready now? I would love for restrictions to be eased on May 5th but I wouldn't know if it is the time so I'm interested why you think it is.
fr336 wrote: » Yes you can. With government assistance. Businesses have to deal with all sorts in many countries - wars, natural disasters. Brexit wasn't exactly a time of certainty for them.
martingriff wrote: » What do you think should be resumed. I am with you I think we are a couple of weeks to an ease of some restriction
FintanMcluskey wrote: » So the future is some auld one on Joe Duffy whos spends her holiday on Lahinch? Have you been to Lahinch lately?
road_high wrote: » Have a work colleague who is 70. Hardy as anyone. I’ve no doubt he’ll want to get going again within a reasonable spectrum of guidelines. Those that are advocating locking these people away do our elders a great disservice- they have so much to give to society and their families yet. They’re not old china to be locked away. They need to live too.
FintanMcluskey wrote: » Thats the was it was span in RTE. He released this report and resigned.https://sway.office.com/PwTN7GCvJWDgn9yd?ref=Link I hope that link works
BanditLuke wrote: » They will be back depending on the numbers over the next couple of weeks. Nothing is concrete yet pardon the pun. I completely expect the government to open up everything too fast though and for us to be back to square on by mid June.
FintanMcluskey wrote: » No no read my post again
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