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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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Cork Boy 53

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Garden Centres and Hardware DIY stores are open

Some are. Not all.

begbysback

rovers_runner wrote: »

Driving home there from work it was noticeable how relaxed it has become.
The lockdown is over folks, good effort while it lasted.
The floodgates will open this weekend.

It has already been acknowledged by Dr Holohan that when they asked that the public to social distance and isolate, the public were already ahead of them and had began to do so. Same goes for the relaxation of those self imposed limits, they will inevitably be directed by the public themselves, rightly so.

begbysback

I am me123 wrote: »

So given the information Leo Varadkar announced on Prime Time, is there a chance that restrictions will change (I'm not going to use 'be relaxed' because I don't know for sure).

So do y'all think that the lockdown will continue after May 5th or will it just be more restrictions?

You could easily predict a riot if further restrictions are imposed, though, if you’ve been following the reports and have the ability to arrive at a sensible and logical conclusion, then you would have noticed that there is zero chance of further restrictions, and a certainty that they will be eased.

Cork Boy 53

thelad95 wrote: »

They are not, some doing delivery online but stores aren't open to public walk ins.

Not true. There are 2 in my nearest town which are open to the general public since last week. There are limits on the numbers of people allowed in at a time but they have opened their doors.

stephenjmcd

rovers_runner wrote: »

Never said it was a disaster. I welcome it.
Just that the powers that be will have to admit its over come the weekend.

I think where they messed up slightly was announcing 3 weeks straight away, it's a long time. If they had of brought it up to say this week and then said look we need to go for another 2 weeks here is your progress then maybe fatigue might not be such an issue.

Realistically though everyone knew they wouldn't reopen anything before a may bank holiday

fr336

Despite my own reservations, I predict Ireland will extend the current lockdown by 2 weeks next time and then gradually ease things week by week. Have no idea what we in the UK will do as the situation here is pretty shocking compared to what people anticipated.

timmy_mallet

fr336 wrote: »

Despite my own reservations, I predict Ireland will extend the current lockdown by 2 weeks next time and then gradually ease things week by week. Have no idea what we in the UK will do as the situation here is pretty shocking compared to what people anticipated.

I predict... a riot. Etc.

alwald

fr336 wrote: »

Despite my own reservations, I predict Ireland will extend the current lockdown by 2 weeks next time and then gradually ease things week by week. Have no idea what we in the UK will do as the situation here is pretty shocking compared to what people anticipated.

It is possible and I try not to forecast anymore myself because the figures (new cases/deaths/ ICU...) are so unpredictable.

I am reviewing the situation day by day and I am prepared for all eventualities which can be essentially summarised into 3 main categories for me:

1 - Decrease of most key figures: Lifting some restrictions but no major changes
2 - Increase of most key figures: Extension of the restrictions by X weeks
3 - No changes of most key figures: Allowing some businesses to open (construction, large DIY shops...) but no changes to other restrictions.

Thelonious Monk

begbysback wrote: »

You could easily predict a riot if further restrictions are imposed, though, if you’ve been following the reports and have the ability to arrive at a sensible and logical conclusion, then you would have noticed that there is zero chance of further restrictions, and a certainty that they will be eased.

Luckily we don't riot or protest in Ireland, so if further restrictions are deemed necessary by the experts, the vast majority will do their best to abide, apart from the usual suspects, travellers, people in the rougher estates etc.

Utopia Parkway

fr336 wrote: »

Despite my own reservations, I predict Ireland will extend the current lockdown by 2 weeks next time and then gradually ease things week by week. Have no idea what we in the UK will do as the situation here is pretty shocking compared to what people anticipated.

June bank holiday is just over 3 weeks after May 5. If they extend again after May 5 it would probably be wise not to relax restrictions just before the June bank holiday.

begbysback

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Luckily we don't riot or protest in Ireland, so if further restrictions are deemed necessary by the experts, the vast majority will do their best to abide, apart from the usual suspects, travellers, people in the rougher estates etc.

Would have to disagree, further restrictions may put livelihoods in jeopardy, if people are faced with losing jobs/homes then even the most subdued individuals would soon change their behavior.

Cork Boy 53

GazzaL wrote: »

There are lots more people out walking with friends and neighbours, lots more people working, lots more people just out and about in general. I'd say (I hope) the latest snippets from the Government are just to be seen to be saying the right things, but they know we need to get the country back up and running.

When and if it is reasonably safe to do so. Clearly we are not anywhere near that point now.

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Utopia Parkway wrote: »

June bank holiday is just over 3 weeks after May 5. If they extend again after May 5 it would probably be wise not to relax restrictions just before the June bank holiday.

Class, lets lose 3 bank holidays. Life is great.

If they're going to do that I'd like to see them at least attempt to move the bank holiday to later in the year.

GazzaL

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

When and if it is reasonably safe to do so. Clearly we are not anywhere near that point now.

Clearly we are, look at the statistics.

Cork Boy 53

AdamD wrote: »

Class, lets lose 3 bank holidays. Life is great.

If they're going to do that I'd like to see them at least attempt to move the bank holiday to later in the year.

No chance whatsoever of that happening.

SNNUS

The €350 payment and subsidy will not be around forever, We need to mind our vulnerable but we will lose a lot of people
due to the destruction of the economy and unemployment.

GazzaL

AdamD wrote: »

Class, lets lose 3 bank holidays. Life is great.

If they're going to do that I'd like to see them at least attempt to move the bank holiday to later in the year.

The lockdown crowd would be talking about the August bank holiday come June, the October bank holiday come August, Christmas come October, and so on and on and on.

[Deleted User]

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

No chance whatsoever of that happening.

Its really not that difficult in the grand scheme of things

Cork Boy 53

AdamD wrote: »

Its really not that difficult important in the grand scheme of things

FYP.

Quantum Erasure

AdamD wrote: »

Class, lets lose 3 bank holidays. Life is great..

how do you mean?

stephenjmcd

AdamD wrote: »

Its really not that difficult in the grand scheme of things

You do realise that the last thing employers will want when they get staff back in is to lose them for even 1 day. In my own job we're being told to take any planned time off over the summer if possible as the industry we're in they expect a significant bounce back and increased workload September through to Christmas.

omeara1113

Why is everyone so bent on the construction sector opening do ye not think them people deserve the same safety as everyone else.All I see posted here is restrictions will be relaxed ie. construction ,rediculous

pjohnson

Dont forget there are already protests. Gemma is leading the good fight to save Ireland from the lockdown.

awec

omeara1113 wrote: »

Why is everyone so bent on the construction sector opening do ye not think them people deserve the same safety as everyone else.All I see posted here is restrictions will be relaxed ie. construction ,rediculous

Construction is a massive part of the economy, that has little to no interaction with the general public and where access to sites can be controlled.

polesheep

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Luckily we don't riot or protest in Ireland, so if further restrictions are deemed necessary by the experts, the vast majority will do their best to abide, apart from the usual suspects, travellers, people in the rougher estates etc.

Why have a go at people in the 'rougher' estates. I live in a very well off area and I can assure you that people have become more relaxed regarding the restrictions. Irish people don't riot, but we are very good at ignoring that which we don't want. A hushed riot so to speak.

eddie73

alwald wrote: »

I completely disagree with this statement and I wouldn't encourage the idea that many of us have to get sick. We should try to avoid any disease/virus not the other way around.

This is the perfect no win situation.

I agree you should try to avoid the virus by social distancing.
I think that the elderly have no choice other than to stay inside their gates for the foreseeable future.

I disagree with the idea that people should stay at home at the expense of the economy any longer than the 3rd of May. We may have quarantines in the future, in fact this is certain, but I think that we have to go back working. Otherwise the government will be looking at magic beans to run the country.

So unfortunately I think that many of us will indeed get sick.

Should we try not to?

Yes of course, by social distancing as much as possible and by not going places that are unnecessary. We should try to avoid the virus as long as we possibly can for both the sake of our medical front line staff and for the fact that the longer you stay uninfected in this game, the less likely you are to get it once a certain stage of infection probability has been crossed over.

I am not advocating going out and getting infected asap. Worst case scenario from this would be a huge spike in infections. This would lead to a huge loss of life due to infrastructure collapse.

But people need to realize that the country has to go back working.

zerosugarbuzz

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

When and if it is reasonably safe to do so. Clearly we are not anywhere near that point now.

I disagree, I think we are ready for it now, serious easing of the lockdown from May 5th. People have had enough of it at this stage and are starting to go further one way or the other.

eddie73

Strumms wrote: »

Yes I’d rather try keep the tide out with a fork or indeed anything available rather than this businessman mantra of “yep, be terrible, but sure isn’t that the way NEXT ! “

We WILL have a lot of sickness but minimizing the casualties is the way forward. If in turn that minimizes profits for businesses I can live with that as it keeps people living.

This is way beyond minimizing profits for businesses. This has to do with the very basic spartan running of the country. This is not going to be a year of profit so you can forget that right away.

stephenjmcd

Harris in his nightly Twitter video saying that Ireland needs to suppress the virus as much as possible and that its possible there might not be a vaccine or one for a while so we need to get back to a level of normality while living alongside the virus for want of a better phase.

It's a bit of a change in tone from his interviews last weekend.

Spanish Eyes

I think I'd be happy enough to pay a 1% levy for a while to get the country going again. This 350 subsidy and other supports costs us all, but am very glad they did it, takes the pressure off.

I know I will be told I am privileged, wealthy, can afford it etc. Doesn't matter what's thrown at me, it's a collective effort now, and those who can should be willing to step up to the plate.

Having said that, would anyone think that supermarkets, chemists and off licences, take aways etc. should pay something extra too going forward due to the fact that for weeks they have been the only elements of the economy that have been open. A Corporation tax levy for the extra time they could trade. Would obviously apply to other companies who could maintain their business too.