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How will schools be able to go back in September?

shoppergal

Just wondering if anyone can give any insight into how schools could safely re-open in September?

Everyone I'm talking to is saying they won't be back until September but in my head I'm wondering how they'll re-open even in September? The virus will still be there with a vaccine still months away at that stage.

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normanoffside

SnowyMuckish wrote: »

So back to the original discussion..... will schools be able to reopen in September?

Yes, principals and secretaries of secondary schools are going back in from tomorrow to plan the year ahead.

Xertz

They’re going to have to learn! This is a national crisis and people will just have to adapt.

My dad, a man in his late 60s, is at home delivering lectures on his laptop. He never had any online teacher training. He fired up Zoom, with very, very minimal technical support (one email) and just got on with it and is working with students by email using his own personal email to deal with questions and assignments.

People in businesses, healthcare and other areas of life have managed to pull off all sorts of complicated work arounds to keep things going.

You’ve food on your table every day because people have bent over backwards to keep supply chains running against all the odds.

There have been huge offers of tech from major multinationals like Google and Apple and local ISPs. There are e-learning experts in all of the universities who have been doing this stuff for years.
There are programme makers in RTE and elsewhere.

The department of education can surely absorb cost of delivering materials in some arrangement with An Post. We’ve had no issue doing so with electoral martial or anything else.

Also it doesn’t have to be that high tech. Photocopies and work sheets are quite usable.

We seem to have an element here who comes up with 1001 reasons why things can’t be done!

Higgins5473

Xertz wrote: »

I think many teachers are making an effort. I know my niece has has good support online.

Schools that aren’t trying to support kids remotely really should pull up their socks. There’s plenty of technology and companies volunteering to grant access to it and to support for free. Use it!!

Droning on about bad internet is an excuse to do nothing. Most households have access to reasonable internet and plenty of course work could be supported by physical post.

Two things, technology is a two way system. If it is not available to both parties that can handle the technology it doesn’t work, and it rarely is, hence the birth of ‘tech support’ a while back. There is no tech support in schools that support this situation.

Secondly, teachers at present are not trained to teach online, this is a very difficult skill to master effectively and takes years of practice and in some cases training.

wirelessdude01

Xertz wrote: »

I think many teachers are making an effort. I know my niece has has good support online.

Schools that aren’t trying to support kids remotely really should pull up their socks. There’s plenty of technology and companies volunteering to grant access to it and to support for free. Use it!!

Droning on about bad internet is an excuse to do nothing. Most households have access to reasonable internet and plenty of course work could be supported by physical post.

Who pays for the printing and postage of the physical items?

gnf_ireland

brookers wrote: »

What do people think of Jennifer O connells piece in irish times, saying look at other countries and kids going back to school. kids are lonely for their friends and putting pressure on parents etc, she got a terrible back lash and she more or less put it down to female writers being attacked. she got a lot of support even from simon harris on twitter basically saying hurlers in the ditch and we need a debate. I wrote her an email and said no way would i send my kids back etc especially in the next couple of months....im surprised at simon harris agreeing with her, she is a features writer, not dr. tony holohan. I did a a bit of a survey amongst other parents and they agreed with me, no way sending kids back so soon. Im not sure if broadcasters and journalists should be pushing an agenda for kids to go back because it probably doesnt suit them to have them at home.

I did not read the article, and to be honest would not read anything from the Irish Independent !! But blaming the backlash of her opinions on it being a female writer is really more of it. Any male or female can have opinions and people can have different opinions to them, without it being a gender thing. We all need to grow up and accept that most adults can have an open discussion about things.

Sadly, we appear to struggle to have that discussion in Ireland, without someone crying thats its a gender thing, public v private thing or urban v rural thing..

Xertz

I think many teachers are making an effort. I know my niece has has good support online.

Schools that aren’t trying to support kids remotely really should pull up their socks. There’s plenty of technology and companies volunteering to grant access to it and to support for free. Use it!!

Droning on about bad internet is an excuse to do nothing. Most households have access to reasonable internet and plenty of course work could be supported by physical post.

[Deleted User]

Lemonzero wrote: »

Pardon.are you being welcoming or sarcastic?

There’s always a welcome for old friends...

Higgins5473

Sammy2012 wrote: »

"You need to stop that as it puts pressure on every 2nd and 6th class teacher. We shouldn't have to give up any time to these over the summer. If the church wants them to go ahead let them sort it out themselves."

@wirelessdude. thanks for your input but I have no intention of stopping and I really dont care if it puts pressure on other teachers. It's a personal choice which I will be able to facilitate as my own kids can come with me. I have thought these kids for the last 4 years due to how class splits were allocated and I have seen the effort them and their families have put in over the last year to help them prepare for it. By giving up a few hours over the summer (which I now know I will be going nowhere anyway) so the children can celebrate their communion I dont think is much. Plus I have volunteered to do this. My choice.

Whilst your intentions are admirable it is something that should be discussed in private with the entire staff and board of management. It can impact other staff members who may not be in a position to volunteer in the same way. Volunteering in a work place when other staff members are not is potentially incendiary, this is not my opinion, basic business principle, rule of value etc.

(It’s taught and not thought by the way)

Lemonzero

Pardon.are you being welcoming or sarcastic?

[Deleted User]

So back to the original discussion..... will schools be able to reopen in September?

[Deleted User]

Welcome to boards Lemonzero, you registered today and we are graced with your first teacher bashing post....sounds like an original thing to do :rolleyes: .........

jrosen

I didnt read the Jennifer O'connell article myself.

I would be open to the idea of school returning in some format. Im not saying I would send my kids but it would be something I would consider. The devil would be in the details.

That all being said, I would also be content to finish out this school year and start fresh in September.
I think we have to start having some concrete longer term plans rather than this kicking it from week to week.

brookers

What do people think of Jennifer O connells piece in irish times, saying look at other countries and kids going back to school. kids are lonely for their friends and putting pressure on parents etc, she got a terrible back lash and she more or less put it down to female writers being attacked. she got a lot of support even from simon harris on twitter basically saying hurlers in the ditch and we need a debate. I wrote her an email and said no way would i send my kids back etc especially in the next couple of months....im surprised at simon harris agreeing with her, she is a features writer, not dr. tony holohan. I did a a bit of a survey amongst other parents and they agreed with me, no way sending kids back so soon. Im not sure if broadcasters and journalists should be pushing an agenda for kids to go back because it probably doesnt suit them to have them at home.

Lemonzero

My kids have got a weekly email from the school with suggested activities.no effort to connect with the kids other than that.I personally think it is very lazy. Internet.connection excellent in this area.teschers can be as defensive as they want but I think it is shocking that no effort is made.I hope that the kids will go.back before the Summer even if it is for a day a week once is regarded safe to do so because 6 months without school has a huge negative impact.This is course once social distancing can be maintaned within the school.And for the poster who wouldnt give up a fee hours during the Summer to assist the second class or 6th class kids doing their commumion and comfirmation is in my opinion not expressing any empathy for the kids who have been devastated that this milestone in their life hasnt gone ahead.we all have to make that effort to see beyond ourselves and see how we can help even if it is a few hours of our time

Sammy2012

gnf_ireland wrote: »

@Sammy2012 thank you for your honesty. I do think it’s important that everyone sees all sides and it’s not a them v us discussion. It most certainly is not.

Regarding the shorter working day - this is something that is not new. I would not call it a perk of the job - it’s a condition of it and one that attracts a lot of people into it in the first place.

Regarding your husband - what if you worked in a similar role ? He would have to take some of the burden. We are all in this together and most employers understand that. I was on a video call last week with the CEO of a client and their 3 year old wandered into the room and climbed up on his knee. He stopped and asked the child to say hello before we all waved and continued on with the call. Everyone understands where we are right now and the challenges we all face.

But fundamentally, many parents may be at home - but we have less time than ever while this is going on. Empathy for others is what we need now more than ever.

If I worked similar to my husband then yes he would have to do more but it has been this way since we became parents so most of the work falls to me. I dont mind at all but I guess going forward things could have to be very different. If I have to go back to school 5 days he will have to work from home some days as we have no other childcare if creche is closed. My parents are our childminders usually but they are out of the picture now due to underlying conditions but maybe we could find a neighbour who isnt working to look after them some of the days. I wont be making any plans until we hear more from the government however.

I totally understand some parents have less time than ever now. There just isnt enough hours in the day and 5 or 6pm is not the time to be sitting down to start work with kids.

I would have no problem with video calling the children but there is a whole host of things that would need to be ironed out first. Permission from parents first of all. We have no policy for this in our school so it would involve lots of discussion but we will see how things go in the coming weeks.

JP Liz V1

khalessi wrote: »

You mean teaching online? We are doing that but video lessons have as I have been told by those above a GDPR issue.

What about parents and children without internet broadband wifi etc.,

Sammy2012

"You need to stop that as it puts pressure on every 2nd and 6th class teacher. We shouldn't have to give up any time to these over the summer. If the church wants them to go ahead let them sort it out themselves."

@wirelessdude. thanks for your input but I have no intention of stopping and I really dont care if it puts pressure on other teachers. It's a personal choice which I will be able to facilitate as my own kids can come with me. I have thought these kids for the last 4 years due to how class splits were allocated and I have seen the effort them and their families have put in over the last year to help them prepare for it. By giving up a few hours over the summer (which I now know I will be going nowhere anyway) so the children can celebrate their communion I dont think is much. Plus I have volunteered to do this. My choice.

Van.Bosch

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

You need to stop that as it puts pressure on every 2nd and 6th class teacher. We shouldn't have to give up any time to these over the summer. If the church wants them to go ahead let them sort it out themselves.

Why not?

gnf_ireland

SnowyMuckish wrote: »

:pac: Definitely not scolding, trying to broaden opinions. There is an awful lot of work going on behind the scenes to find practical, safe solutions to teaching. There is no road map or simple straight forward solution, everyone is doing their best. I’ll send you a bandaid so you don’t lick your wounds lol :P

And not to labour the point but again some are doing their best and others are far from it. We can agree to disagree on this - no problem at all. Of course every teacher can say they are doing their best. A good test in any job is whether one is willing to stand up at a conference of their peers and honestly state how they engaged with students during this time

Don’t worry. I can take a scolding. I live in the real world. I am fine with being challenged and can have a different opinion on things with others.

I just hope all parties involved in this can put forward decent proposals to move this issue forward and think beyond the current ways of engaging

[Deleted User]

gnf_ireland wrote: »

Underlined comment noted.

But maybe, just maybe, if schools think outside their narrow box they will find a way of continuing to provide their usual quality standard of education in a coordinated manner rather than relying on the actions of few good teachers

I will drop off now and take my scolding like the good student I am :-)

:pac: Definitely not scolding, trying to broaden opinions. There is an awful lot of work going on behind the scenes to find practical, safe solutions to teaching. There is no road map or simple straight forward solution, everyone is doing their best. I’ll send you a bandaid so you don’t lick your wounds lol :P

jrosen

I have so much admiration for anyone at home trying to work and manage children. Ive been laid off so for us its allowed my husband to still do his usual work hours from home. Actually he's been working more. It enables me to really focus on the kids and sit with them, keep them focused, try and carve out reading times.

Some of my friends are really struggling with both parents trying to work from home.

Whats become evident is the vast differences in the individual teachers approach and also individual schools approaches. We have some teachers engaged as best they can be and then we have some who have been off work since mid march.
A return to school is going to be made even harder for the kids who's teachers and schools have not been engaged.

gnf_ireland

SnowyMuckish wrote: »

As we speak, my husband, a senior primary teacher is writing individual, personal emails to all of his 29 students, on a Sunday, checking in on them. He spent his Saturday doing preparations for the work he intends to teach this week, despite me begging for him to spend time with his own children.

A friend of mine sent an Post post card to each of her students. Another spent her personal money and left an Easter egg on each of her infant’s doors.

The original question posed in this forum was ‘How will schools reopen in September?’

Positive, constructive, on topic , comments would be welcome and helpful.

Underlined comment noted.

But maybe, just maybe, if schools think outside their narrow box they will find a way of continuing to provide their usual quality standard of education in a coordinated manner rather than relying on the actions of few good teachers

I will drop off now and take my scolding like the good student I am :-)

wirelessdude01

Sammy2012 wrote: »

Also I plan to be more interactive going forward but again will need parental input. Also as my classes first communion has been cancelled I have offered to help them make it in the summer time if it is possible.

You need to stop that as it puts pressure on every 2nd and 6th class teacher. We shouldn't have to give up any time to these over the summer. If the church wants them to go ahead let them sort it out themselves.

R11

I would disagree with gnf Ireland on this and I believe that the majority of teachers are trying to do their best. I know in our school, everybody is pulling their weight(to the best of their ability) Yes, there is a minority, that's a fact, that could be doing more but this whole thing is unprecedented. Anyway, that's my opinion based on my experience and what I see/hear friends & colleagues doing.
Back to the topic, does anyone know if unions, DES etc are involved in negotiations about school re-openings?

gnf_ireland

Sammy2012 wrote: »

Also I plan to be more interactive going forward but again will need parental input. Also as my classes first communion has been cancelled I have offered to help them make it in the summer time if it is possible.

I have a child in first class. I think a 10 minute individual video call once a week would make a massive difference. I do accept she is quite chatty.

I know tomorrow will be a struggle and an engagement like that would be a big boost to efforts after the Easter break.

wirelessdude01

gnf_ireland wrote: »

What do you need money for to have a lesson online ? Zoom is free for 40 minutes per call and Google Hangout is free also. I doubt there needs to be military grade secrecy for the material.

Did you even read my post? I have patchy mobile data at best and currently no access to fixed broadband

gnf_ireland

Sammy2012 wrote: »

I teach 1st and 2nd class. I have been sending out work to them via parents emails since this started. Some parents have been very good at engaging and some have not at all. I sent out an email to all the parent stating if they wanted to contact me they could at anytime of the day or night. I will reply to emails at anytime during the day. Not just during school hours. I am conscious of what work I am giving to try ease stress of parents who are working from home. I can see it from both sides. My husband is working from home and would barely have time to make my own kids lunch if he was looking after them. The work I assign I know the kids can do on their own and I am conscious of not giving too many online resources and using my own parenting knowledge to give tasks that dont require too much parenting input.

But you are right if I had to be available all the time during school hours I would not have time to do everything with my kids but in saying that the school day is shorter than the average working day so I would be able to do lots of things with them. This is one of the perks of my job usually. And I know I am lucky to have this.

Your also right that not all teachers see the bigger picture. I've seen samples of what is expected and it's totally unachievable in my opinion. Also I have fought with my boss over this as they are of the opinion that everyone is at home now so they have lots of time to teach their children which is most definitely not true.

@Sammy2012 thank you for your honesty. I do think it’s important that everyone sees all sides and it’s not a them v us discussion. It most certainly is not.

Regarding the shorter working day - this is something that is not new. I would not call it a perk of the job - it’s a condition of it and one that attracts a lot of people into it in the first place.

Regarding your husband - what if you worked in a similar role ? He would have to take some of the burden. We are all in this together and most employers understand that. I was on a video call last week with the CEO of a client and their 3 year old wandered into the room and climbed up on his knee. He stopped and asked the child to say hello before we all waved and continued on with the call. Everyone understands where we are right now and the challenges we all face.

But fundamentally, many parents may be at home - but we have less time than ever while this is going on. Empathy for others is what we need now more than ever.

[Deleted User]

gnf_ireland wrote: »

The problem as I see it in general is too many teachers have been radio silent in the 3 weeks prior to Easter and another term of radio silence is an issue for lots. Not taking away from the good work some are doing - it’s not universal even within the same school and too much down to tea

To all teachers on this - can I ask if any of you have many any contact with the parents in the 3 weeks before Easter and offered a quick call/video call with the child to see how they are getting on ?

As we speak, my husband, a senior primary teacher is writing individual, personal emails to all of his 29 students, on a Sunday, checking in on them. He spent his Saturday doing preparations for the work he intends to teach this week, despite me begging for him to spend time with his own children.

A friend of mine sent an Post post card to each of her students. Another spent her personal money and left an Easter egg on each of her infant’s doors.

The original question posed in this forum was ‘How will schools reopen in September?’

Positive, constructive, on topic , comments would be welcome and helpful.

gnf_ireland

khalessi wrote: »

I teach primary school, I have been online everyday since school closed, uploading work, correcting it, answering quesitons,, a lot of questions and some of them have to do with what we are teaching, chatting to the children explainingm uploading videos from educational sites etc. I would prefer doing this face to face. It has been a lot for 11 and 12 year olds to get used to and I worry about them, school closure, ill family members, what they have missed out on this year in the school community, missing their friends, uploading and downloading tying out answers. We were told no contact with kids to maintain Easter holidays, but I hve checked in everyday in case and messaged the kids who messaged me.

On the otherhand, my children go to a different school, and I was sent an email of work, that was a lot to get through and there have been struggles getting it done on their side and mine, trying to balance it all out. THe contact has been minimal from the teacher and I am hoping it will improve and the workload lessen.

@khalessi ok so you understand very clearly the difference between the engagement by different teachers. Add into this the 3rd model of radio silence or sending a weekly ‘classroom schedule’ of the days lessons broken into 15-20 minute intervals.

Maybe the solution here is to agree how this should work and the engagement level expected from each and every teacher during this period. You appear to be doing your best - and fair play ! But you are the minority.

Maybe something more radical is needed - a suggestion from the unions to close all primary schools a month earlier this year and open them all at the start of August and use the time to see what they can legitimately achieve by then. It’s not like any of us are going on foreign holidays this summer !!!

(Secondary is trickier given leaving cert dates)

Sammy2012

Also I plan to be more interactive going forward but again will need parental input. Also as my classes first communion has been cancelled I have offered to help them make it in the summer time if it is possible.