KiKi III wrote: » I already provided you with one link, here’s another which points to longterm damage even in those with mild symptoms.https://nymag.com/intelligencer/amp/2020/04/more-bad-news-on-the-long-term-effects-of-the-coronavirus.html There are people on here who want to have a discussion like kaiser and people like you who just want to attack anyone who disagrees with them.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » Typically, only about 33% of people who are hospitalised with Covid-19 requires ICU treatment. Over 2,000 people have been hospitalised in Ireland. In that context, here is another study supporting The Lancet study wrt long term cardiac damage (The Lancet study concluded that hospitalised patients suffered long term ARDS and/or cardiac damage). This study focused on cardiac complications only. 20% of people hospitalised with Covid-19 suffered cardiac injury.
KiKi III wrote: » Out of interest kaiser, what’s your take on why there aren’t doctors and epidemiologists coming out in support of your view?
retro:electro wrote: » But there are no experts on this. We have experts in their fields, that is wildly different to having experts on Covid 19. Even the people you claim are experts will tell you this is new ground and nobody really knows what they are dealing with. It’s a situation that is evolving every day.
JoeExotic81 wrote: » 14000 cases here, 300 ICU admissions, do the math.
KiKi III wrote: » That’s just not true retro and I’m surprised you’d put forward that view. The full name of this coronavirus is SARS-Covid 19. It’s another iteration of a virus epidemiologists have been studying since the 2003 outbreak. The idea that because this scale of pandemic is new, your local plumber’s opinion is as valid as an epidemiologist’s is farcical.
jester77 wrote: » Shops under 800 sqm. are opening here in Hamburg on Monday, exam students returning the following Monday, more classes the week after that. Slowly returning to normal is the approach been taken.
KiKi III wrote: » That’s just not true retro and I’m surprised you’d put forward that view. The full name of this coronavirus is SARS-Covid 19. It’s another iteration of a virus epidemiologists have been studying since the 2003 outbreak.The idea that because this scale of pandemic is new, your local plumber’s opinion is as valid as an epidemiologist’s is farcical.
iamwhoiam wrote: » Has it always been so or is it a new thing that some people wallow in the negative aspect of this crises .? Its like they enjoy seeing the horror and the worse case scenario ? Ah I think I actually know the answer though , they most likely have always enjoyed wallowing in negativity .
lord quackinton wrote: » https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0418/1132271-deaths-covid-holohan/ Why was this kept from us? Why are we being lied to? What other lies have we been told? Lockdown is now over fully for me I hope people have the sense to use their own brains and end this nonsense now We are now open
KiKi III wrote: » Here’s a respiratory doctor talking about it in the Irish Times.https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/coronavirus-what-happens-to-people-s-lungs-if-they-get-covid-19-1.4211714%3fmode=amp 6% of people will get a severe enough version of the illness to fall into this category. So, if you’re trying to achieve here immunity, that’s 6% of 3,000,000 people. How do you imagine our health system, currently under pressure with a few hundred people in ICU is going to cope with that?
Professor Moriarty wrote: » Do your own maths. Actually, if I'm honest and no offence, I couldn't be bothered responding to you personally. You seem angry and your mind seems closed. I'm just using your posts as a foil to inform myself.
easypazz wrote: » Its just a few on here it seems, no pubs until 2021, lock everybody in forever because it might offend the elderly, no jogging on the footpath.
CtevenSrowder wrote: » What do you mean "kept from us"? They only know the peak has happened after it's happened.
KiKi III wrote: » Exactly, if he did do his own maths he'd realise that if 14,000 cases produces enough patients to fill almost all our ICU beds, 3,000,000 cases would completely overwhelm and collapse our health system. But pointing out obvious facts like that is considered scaremongering around here. This is already happening in Japan where they were too slow to take decisive action and now their health system is under severe pressure: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-52336388
_Kaiser_ wrote: » Doctors are looking at the situation through a very narrow lens. Protecting lives and the "do no harm" approach. As such they are always going to be conservative and cautious in their approach - particularly with a new situation like this virus - and that is perfectly reasonable to protect their patients, including trying to protect their limited resources to allow them capacity to treat those who most need it. But, there's a bigger picture here and the numbers show that the vast majority of people will not suffer any lasting effects, will not be debilitated by this to the point of needing hospitalisation, and may not even realise they had it at all in some cases. As I keep saying, we now need to move from an approach of lockdown to risk management and factoring in the bigger picture and impact this is having not just on the economy but socially and mentally for many people. We can do both - protect and treat the medically vulnerable, while simultaneously also protecting and treating the needs of everyone else
JoeExotic81 wrote: » "There is also evidence that if you get it and recover you can be left with long-term lung and heart damage." This is all I'm discussing. You seem to be having some sort of episode there where you're confusing my issue with your hyperbolic statements as somehow meaning I'm advocating herd immunity. Bizarre.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » Very grim triage took place in parts of Spain and Italy as their hospitals became overwhelmed. Here's hoping we don't get to that. Looking like we won't thankfully.
polesheep wrote: » You do this all the time; slip in absurd statements as though they were real. Then you race on from them with nonsensical deductions. How on earth could we be faced with a scenario of 3,000,000 people infected all at once?
KiKi III wrote: » Did you read the two links I have provided for you as evidence of that statement yet? Would you like to have a discussion about the evidence provided by doctors in those articles?
KiKi III wrote: » Right, so assuming the data we have now is correct, and we've passed the peak and gotten the R0 to below one, are you in favour of easing restrictions on a phased basis from May 5 on? If so, we are on the same page. Honestly, I think a two-week extension to the initial lockdown would have been enough, but I believe the government foresaw a spike in infections if people were allowed go back to normal for the May bank holiday. It was likely considered easier to keep everyone on board for one week longer than expected than to lift the lockdown after four weeks and then implement it again after a spike.
