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How will schools be able to go back in September?

shoppergal

Just wondering if anyone can give any insight into how schools could safely re-open in September?

Everyone I'm talking to is saying they won't be back until September but in my head I'm wondering how they'll re-open even in September? The virus will still be there with a vaccine still months away at that stage.

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El_Duderino 09

[Deleted User] wrote: »

But we won’t stay in lockdown for that long. We simply can’t. Life will have to go on, even if it means survival of the fittest.

Maybe. It would take a very brave politician to announce they were reopening the economy and acknowledging that meant the health service would b overrun and loads more people would die.

khalessi

ZX7R wrote: »

Primary school are actually the easiest for the government to facilitate a return to school.
Easiest for return in September.
For example a class of 30 students can be rotated daily 15 on 15 off teacher and class help to inforce social distancing.
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Who will mind the portion of the class not in school?

ZX7R

khalessi wrote: »

Who will mind the portion of the class not in school?

They will be at home,
Sadly that would not be the schools responsibility.
Parents older siblings, relations ,trusted neighbors ,who knows.
Parents will have to make compromises with there work ECT

r93kaey5p2izun

ZX7R wrote: »

Secondary schools will be much more harder ,main problem being the students move from classroom to classroom for each subject.
some ideas I've heard is the students don't move but the teachers do and have one day a week for classes that require students to be in a specialised classroom example science, biology ECT.
Could start back in September with work.

Students staying put might work for junior classes with minimal streaming and majority core subjects, but it's not much use for more senior groups. The composition of Higher Level English versus HL Maths can be very different - there would have to be movement in and out. And options make up the bulk of LC timetables, with lots of swapping and changing required, aside from specialist rooms.

[Deleted User]

Our society runs very much like a large conveyor belt. People die, babies are born, kids start school, kids finish school, people retire, people graduate and start work. It’s how the world works.

You can’t just stop a production line for a few years without causing absolute chaos.

If schools didn’t open again until 2021, how on earth would we deal with the backlog of kids waiting to start school.

It’s just not going to happen. We need to rock on eventually. Probably with warnings to the elderly to stay inside.

ZX7R

Yosef Stocky Backspace wrote: »

Students staying put might work for junior classes with minimal streaming and majority core subjects, but it's not much use for more senior groups. The composition of Higher Level English versus HL Maths can be very different - there would have to be movement in and out. And options make up the bulk of LC timetables, with lots of swapping and changing required, aside from specialist rooms.

Maybe teach a certain standard level of maths English ECT
If students want to do a higher level in certain subjects they could be tutored on line or something to that effect

jrosen

At some point companies will want their work force back and fully engaged. That wont work with months of kids out of school. Especially for those families who use childcare outside of school hours.
The schools cant stay closed because how would they manage the numbers next year? You would have a whole year of education owed to students.

alroley

ZX7R wrote: »

Secondary schools will be much more harder ,main problem being the students move from classroom to classroom for each subject.
some ideas I've heard is the students don't move but the teachers do and have one day a week for classes that require students to be in a specialised classroom example science, biology ECT.
Could start back in September with work.

In most secondary schools senior cycle students are in different classes with different people for each subject. In junior cycle they are usually in base classes for English, Geography, History and a few other subjects. They'd be mixed up for all other subjects.

khalessi

jrosen wrote: »

At some point companies will want their work force back and fully engaged. That wont work with months of kids out of school. Especially for those families who use childcare outside of school hours.
The schools cant stay closed because how would they manage the numbers next year? You would have a whole year of education owed to students.

Definitely teachers don't want that, but everyone will have to follow the advice given by the Dept of Ed in conjunction with NPHET regarding the reopening of schools and nothing we write here will change that eventuality.

All that we can hope is that it is done safely enough to prevent spread of virus and an increase of the reproductive rate of the virus and not endanger the more immunocompromised members of the school environment, children and staff.

jrosen

khalessi wrote: »

Childcare and schools are two different issues

khalessi wrote: »

Definitely teachers don't want that, but everyone will have to follow the advice given by the Dept of Ed in conjunction with NPHET regarding the reopening of schools and nothing we write here will change that eventuality.

All that we can hope is that it is done safely enough to prevent spread of virus and an increase of the reproductive rate of the virus and not endanger the more immunocompromised members of the school environment, children and staff.

Wonder would those immunocompromised people not have to stay home? Would the expectation be they take more precautions?

wirelessdude01

Will teachers have to issued with some form of PPE when we go back seeing as we are generally in close contact with children?

khalessi

jrosen wrote: »

Wonder would those immunocompromised people not have to stay home? Would the expectation be they take more precautions?

Those with asthma, diabetes, kidney ailments, overweight and certain medications that prior to Covid19 wouldnt have been considered risky should stay at home? They re entitled to an education so how would that be managed and those are the types of questions the Dept of Ed will find themselves up against and will probably defer to the teachers to manage re social distancing but that is not ideal as a parent you you be happy if a child with a cough and no temp was in same room as your child?

khalessi

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Will teachers have to issued with some form of PPE when we go back seeing as we are generally in close contact with children?

One would hope so

Acey10

I wonder where creches and preschools stand in all this? very hard to get toddlers to keep to social distancing..??

jrosen

khalessi wrote: »

Those with asthma, diabetes, kidney ailments, overweight and certain medications that prior to Covid19 wouldnt have been considered risky should stay at home? They re entitled to an education so how would that be managed and those are the types of questions the Dept of Ed will find themselves up against and will probably defer to the teachers to manage re social distancing but that is not ideal as a parent you you be happy if a child with a cough and no temp was in same room as your child?

I actually would prefer to see a far stricter line taken with unwell children generally but thats a whole other discussion. Its a fine line between common sense and hysteria. The question is do we trust parents to keep their kids home? Im not so sure I do having seen kids almost green in the school line in the morning.
I would think anyone who would be considered high risk should be supported if they chose to stay home as a starting point. But thats another hurdle. But I would think high risk students should stay home. Unless doctors can get involved and clear students? It will be interesting to see how other countries manage

khalessi

jrosen wrote: »

I actually would prefer to see a far stricter line taken with unwell children generally but thats a whole other discussion. Its a fine line between common sense and hysteria. The question is do we trust parents to keep their kids home? Im not so sure I do having seen kids almost green in the school line in the morning.
I would think anyone who would be considered high risk should be supported if they chose to stay home as a starting point. But thats another hurdle. But I would think high risk students should stay home. Unless doctors can get involved and clear students? It will be interesting to see how other countries manage

Having been handed children calpoled to the eyeballs it would be a worry. And btw high risk also applies to staff as some medications taken prior to Covic19 lets say for psoriasis or Lupus or other conditions that lower immune systems could put them at risk too

jrosen

khalessi wrote: »

Having been handed children calpoled to the eyeballs it would be a worry. And btw high risk also applies to staff as some medications taken prior to Covic19 lets say for psoriasis or Lupus or other conditions that lower immune systems could put them at risk too

Yes sorry I hadn't included staff but of course should have.

r93kaey5p2izun

If high risk staff are to stay at home schools will seriously struggle to provide several key subjects. Dublin schools already barely managing before this!

khalessi

Well I would commsider myself high risk for a number of reasons but would be happy to teach in PPE, and not PPE to a hospital extent just mask and gloves.

wirelessdude01

khalessi wrote: »

Well I would commsider myself high risk for a number of reasons but would be happy to teach in PPE, and not PPE to a hospital extent just mask and gloves.

Think it would have to be a full mask guard really plus gloves. The auld standard type mask wouldn't cover your eyes from droplets.

khalessi

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Think it would have to be a full mask guard really plus gloves. The auld standard type mask wouldn't cover your eyes from droplets.

I have gloves masks and goggles picked them up in January

r93kaey5p2izun

khalessi wrote: »

Well I would commsider myself high risk for a number of reasons but would be happy to teach in PPE, and not PPE to a hospital extent just mask and gloves.

I have mostly left teaching but sub still, more than I want to or ever intended to actually, as I'm often pleaded into it by desperate principals with no Maths teacher. Several schools are literally relying on a single qualified Maths teacher for LC HL. I am high risk and will not be agreeing to any face to face teaching because I simply don't trust school management or DES to implement any sort of proper measures, and I definitely don't trust parents to not abuse the system by sending in sick kids. I will return to my own business which is currently closed, even though it comes under essential services, because I can control what happens there at least. Schools are a high risk place I think for anyone with an underlying condition.

Scoondal

shoppergal wrote: »

Just wondering if anyone can give any insight into how schools could safely re-open in September?

Everyone I'm talking to is saying they won't be back until September but in my head I'm wondering how they'll re-open even in September? The virus will still be there with a vaccine still months away at that stage.

I think primary schools will re-open in June even just for 1 week. That would be good for the pupils to re-engage before the summer.
Secondary schools, probably September.

To OP ... from what I have seen on RTE and BBC, the virus will be existing at low levels by September. But if cases increase again, then shutdowns at various levels will be neccessary.

The situation now is uncertain. We can only predict various different situations.

Xertz

I would seriously doubt it. There’s really no logic in opening them before September at this stage and you’d just be causing a logistic nightmare for no reason. Opening primary schools for a week wouldn’t really make any sense all.

I think at think you might get some socially distanced support for Leaving Certificate but that’s about all until the autumn.

jrosen

I cant see them back before September. It just seems an unnecessary risk. Exam students perhaps yes in some capacity. But everyone else no. The time would be better spent preparing for September

trapp

jrosen wrote: »

I cant see them back before September. It just seems an unnecessary risk. Exam students perhaps yes in some capacity. But everyone else no. The time would be better spent preparing for September

Do you think September is realistic?

It's only a few months away.

I think January or Feb 2021.

jrosen

trapp wrote: »

Do you think September is realistic?

It's only a few months away.

I think January or Feb 2021.

yes I do, in some capacity yes. I cant see why not. We will be living with corona for the foreseeable so I think we need to find a way to co-exist as best we can.

The country can not lock down until next year. Its not an option

trapp

jrosen wrote: »

yes I do, in some capacity yes. I cant see why not. We will be living with corona for the foreseeable so I think we need to find a way to co-exist as best we can.

The country can not lock down until next year. Its not an option

I don't think the lockdown will last that long but schools were the first to close.

I think it could be Sept 2021 before schools open in Dublin to be honest.

[Deleted User]

trapp wrote: »

Do you think September is realistic?

It's only a few months away.

I think January or Feb 2021.

4 months ago in December 2019, Covid 19 wasn’t even really a thing yet. So much has changed since then.

Likely a lot more will change in the next 4 months.

School must go ahead one way or another.

[Deleted User]

If schools do not open next September or if colleges and universities do not reopen in September it would have huge implications it would mean one year of every profession would be missing.