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Sweden avoiding lockdown

frillyleaf

Does Sweden have the right approach to this and how is their healthcare system being able to manage Covid19 cases?

What are the differences between Sweden and Ireland and why can’t we continue similar to how Sweden is managing Covid19?

I’m not suggesting either is right or wrong. I would just like to know how Sweden can continue as normal and other countries can’t. Thanks ðŸ˜Š

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coastwatch

The new deaths number looks like a weekend counting issue too.

ninebeanrows

thebaz wrote: »

Swedish figures released today :-

332 new cases
12 new deaths

Again , given experts predictions, why are these figures not so much higher ?
They are asking its citizens to behave in an adult manner, and social distance , maybe they actually are, without need for police enforcement and complete economic shutdown.

Well the fact all the countries around them virtually shut down also has resulted in a de facto lockdown there anyway, it is just a little looser than we have here.

We will be living in a similar way post May 5th.

Memnoch

thebaz wrote: »

Swedish figures released today :-

332 new cases
12 new deaths

Again , given experts predictions, why are these figures not so much higher ?
They are asking its citizens to behave in an adult manner, and social distance , maybe they actually are, without need for police enforcement and complete economic shutdown.

Because they are not testing. Stuck at 54,700 tests for three days now.

Joe_ Public

thebaz wrote: »

Swedish figures released today :-

332 new cases
12 new deaths

Again , given experts predictions, why are these figures not so much higher ?
They are asking its citizens to behave in an adult manner, and social distance , maybe they actually are, without need for police enforcement and complete economic shutdown.

Could be they've miraculously and suddenly passed over the peak (which would be great) or could be they just report lower numbers over the weekend and will 'catch up' early in the week.

Memnoch

Glenomra wrote: »

no doubt their government were so brave and made the right calls rather than reacting to hysteria.

No doubt their government has stopped testing. I've been only looking at their testing numbers for 3 days now. But they have not moved up from 54,700 in the last 3 days...

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Glenomra

thebaz wrote: »

Swedish figures released today :-

332 new cases
12 new deaths

Again , given experts predictions, why are these figures not so much higher ?
They are asking its citizens to behave in an adult manner, and social distance , maybe they actually are, without need for police enforcement and complete economic shutdown.

no doubt their government were so brave and made the right calls rather than reacting to hysteria.

thebaz

Swedish figures released today :-

332 new cases
12 new deaths

Again , given experts predictions, why are these figures not so much higher ?
They are asking its citizens to behave in an adult manner, and social distance , maybe they actually are, without need for police enforcement and complete economic shutdown.

coastwatch

biko wrote: »

Norway gov https://www.regjeringen.no/en/aktuelt/norway-to-lift-covid-19-restrictions-gradually-and-cautiously/id2697060/

Forbes has some here https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidnikel/2020/04/07/norway-pm-relaxes-coronavirus-restrictions-but-event-ban-continues/

Thanks, that looks like a good template for easing restrictions here, when the time comes.

biko

Norway gov https://www.regjeringen.no/en/aktuelt/norway-to-lift-covid-19-restrictions-gradually-and-cautiously/id2697060/

Forbes has some here https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidnikel/2020/04/07/norway-pm-relaxes-coronavirus-restrictions-but-event-ban-continues/

coastwatch

What are the current lockdown / restrictions in Norway?

biko

Norway has closed its border to Sweden since Patrick's Day.
Returning Norwegians have to quarantine for 2 weeks.

Seamie12345

Clark Dry Kidney wrote: »

While we aren't perfect for a small island nation we have trailblazed plenty of times throughout recent times and past history.

I get what you're saying about being proud, I love this country always have always will.

I do think we have done as good a job as possible so far with this virus. While there will always be a handful of gob****e citizens I believe our government, health services, front line and essential workers along with individual communities have more than stepped up to the plate.

I could get on board with this idea but 4 weeks into the weeks off school, 2 attempts at seeing the effects of social distancing (at 2 weeks each), and still not having our borders closed off to all but freight means we are undoubtedly still importing cases - that should be an issue we deal with AFTER we've "beaten" it on the Island, not be trying to deal with it while still battling with a spreading in-country contagion.

biko

duffer247 wrote: »

Pretty sure Denmark didn't bother with any community testing

Sounds like a guess. Can you not just google it?

biko

Fun fact, since the crisis started the government have moved out the EU flags from their press conferences and now only display Swedish flags in the room and on their clothing.

duffer247

biko wrote: »

Indeed, Denmark has been successful in avoiding a spike in coronavirus cases.
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0412/1130075-lockdown-exit-austria-and-denmark-take-first-steps/
So while Europe has locked down and now are trying to open up Sweden didn't even lock down in the first place
Insanity or genius, we'll see soon.

Pretty sure Denmark didn't bother with any community testing

duffer247

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Not the only thing going on though. Denmark was one of the first European countries to introduce lockdown and their death rate is significantly worse than Norway or Finland. Population density possibly a significant factor here...

Anyone have any details on Denmark's early lock down? I think their schools closed the same time as ours, a ban on groupings of 10+, children could continue to hang out with 1 friend and I think people could travel freely enough.

I've seen a few articles on Denmark benefiting from early strict lockdown but outside of closing their borders I can't see what they did differently?

biko

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Not the only thing going on though. Denmark was one of the first European countries to introduce lockdown and their death rate is significantly worse than Norway or Finland. Population density possibly a significant factor here...

Indeed, Denmark has been successful in avoiding a spike in coronavirus cases.

But now the government wants to lift some of the more extreme measures, in a bid to resuscitate the country's comatose economy.
It will start next week by allowing primary schools and creches to reopen.

Once the schools return, the Danish government will then consider allowing smaller businesses and shops to reopen on a gradual basis.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0412/1130075-lockdown-exit-austria-and-denmark-take-first-steps/
So while Europe has locked down and now are trying to open up Sweden didn't even lock down in the first place
Insanity or genius, we'll see soon.

KiKi III

biko wrote: »

This video is more about the Swedes and their reaction to the crisis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOYYe546TT8

Ah you hooked me for 20 minutes already Biko, I’m not doing another one too.

biko

KiKi III wrote: »

I have to say, he’s a fantastic content creator. I really didn’t think I’d watch the full 20 minutes but I did.

This video is more about the Swedes and their reaction to the crisis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOYYe546TT8

normanoffside

dubrov wrote: »

Are you seriously trying to argue Ireland is culturally and geographically more similar to Sweden than Finland is?

No, I was just being pedantic.
I know many Finns and they would not be happy you told them they were culturally 'the same' as Swedes.

I am not arguing on the Geographical point.

Loafing Oaf

biko wrote: »

It's pretty much Sweden vs everyone else.

Not the only thing going on though. Denmark was one of the first European countries to introduce lockdown and their death rate is significantly worse than Norway or Finland. Population density possibly a significant factor here...

KiKi III

biko wrote: »

A Swede's take on it all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBCY9jGhubI

I have to say, he’s a fantastic content creator. I really didn’t think I’d watch the full 20 minutes but I did.

I was disappointed by the end though; he starts out by saying we have to get as clear a picture as possible of what’s hidden in the two tunnels but then he only goes into one?

I kept waiting for him to compare the devastation to the economy with the devastation of the virus and he just didn’t?

biko

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Big job for the epidemiologists in the coming years explaining why such superficially similar countries have had such wildly varying outcomes with this disease...

It's pretty much Sweden vs everyone else.
Most countries have been in lockdown for over a month, in Sweden they just went from restricting 500 people gatherings to 50.

biko

A Swede's take on it all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBCY9jGhubI

Loafing Oaf

biko wrote: »

COVID-19 deaths per million people
Sweden 88
Denmark 45
Norway 18
Finland 9

Big job for the epidemiologists in the coming years explaining why such superficially similar countries have had such wildly varying outcomes with this disease...

biko

COVID-19 deaths per million people
Sweden 88
Denmark 45
Norway 18
Finland 9

Let's see in 3 weeks...
World's first feminist government (Social Democrats and Greens), have a plan of throwing elderly citizens under the bus.
This will have caused a hell of a lot more deaths by then.
That is - if they even count them as Corona deaths, Sweden has a history of "adjusting" numbers.

Rvsmmnps

The state looked at the figures from Italy, they explained their interpretation of the deaths, amounts, ages, and decided as of 27 April the country will get going again.
We have isolated old folks homes completely.
I will probably never use public transport again, never was a big fan of it anyway.

Assetbacked

Rvsmmnps wrote: »

We are pretty much over it. Things feeling normal again. We never did full lockdown either (Norway)
Not very much sensational news outlets here either

As of Friday, 156 deaths came from former nursing home patients and 133 from other patients. The narrative at this stage is to avoid complacency by prematurely saying we are through the worst of it, but the hope this Easter Sunday that we are in fact through the worst of it is bolstered by the data to date. Have a good Easter!

dubrov

Rvsmmnps wrote: »

We are pretty much over it. Things feeling normal again. We never did full lockdown either (Norway)
Not very much sensational news outlets here either

It looks like it never really started in Norway.

There will be a whole load of analysis to be done after this thing has blown over.

Rvsmmnps

We are pretty much over it. Things feeling normal again. We never did full lockdown either (Norway)
Not very much sensational news outlets here either