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I want a shutdown NOW!

realdanbreen

Not in 1 week 2 weeks whatever, NOW!
While most people are adhering to the health advice you cannot expect the gobshytes like those clowns packing beaches and parks to obey unless they are forced to.
Shutdown NOW.

Anyone that agrees stick your name below.

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so many ill people that need to get outside it seems, as self isolation seems to make some go nuts, hysteric isnt a word to desribe this.

if in 4 months we had 3 recorded deaths to this virus, to top it off no one bothers to reduce numbers of those already known to be infected for well a month in and not show how many recovered, and boards just pilling stats on puts mentally sick at hysteric stage, without any need.

id say official stats only should be shown to officials to decide on way it will be handled, as seems we have many hypochondriac that would easily love to overwhelm entire system.

sheepsh4gger

realdanbreen wrote: »

Not in 1 week 2 weeks whatever, NOW!
While most people are adhering to the health advice you cannot expect the gobshytes like those clowns packing beaches and parks to obey unless they are forced to.
Shutdown NOW.

Anyone that agrees stick your name below.

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/were-following-south-korean-model-in-coronavirus-fight-varadkar-plays-down-talk-of-lockdown-in-ireland-39067488.html

You have to weigh the options. If you establish full martial law then there will be more deaths from that.

If you completely lock everything down then you can cause a bigger problem with spread.

It spreads also the fecal-oral route so in apartments it might come up your shower pipe.

r93kaey5p2izun

FVP3 wrote: »

Source for confinement being part of the plan? Leo just said it wasn't, he was trying the Korean methodology - South Korea didn't even shut the schools.

Korea did close its schools!

Lurching

Here's a question though:
If you knew a full lock-down was inevitable, would you prefer to do it now or later?

I'd prefer now as at least it would limit the spread.

Muahahaha

DeanAustin wrote: »

If my understanding is correct - you get this virus by spending 10-15 mins within two metres or so of someone who is infected.

I went to the beach yesterday. Everyone on that beach, without fail, stayed at least two metres away from everyone else bar their immediate group (which were mainly their families). Yet, some posters seem to think this is dangerous. On the few occasions I have ventured out, social distancing has been observed pretty much without fail.

Am I missing something?

From what Ive seen people are observing social distancing in their own groups. Took a spin around the mountains on my motorbike yesterday and while it was very busy everyone was spread out and in their own family groups, I didnt see any problems.

I think the problems start when people decide to go and get a bite to eat. Theres a video going around of a queue of 100+ people for fish and chips outside Beshoffs in Howth yesterday and they were on top of each other. Think someone else said a Supermacs was mobbed with teenagers too, all on top of each other. Same happened at Glendalough, loads of people queing to get ice creams and they were all on top of each other so the Gardai shut it down.

The social distancing is working in the main but its when people go to eat that it breaks down from what Ive seen.

STB.

FVP3 wrote: »

Source for confinement being part of the plan? Leo just said it wasn't, he was trying the Korean methodology - South Korea didn't even shut the schools.

The shut down of non essential services is already happening.

Source!

If he was adopting the South Korean "methodology". He wouldnt have shut schools. He is following the WHO's latest guidelines. Test, Isolate, Contain. When that doesn't work, you use emergency powers at your disposal to double down in the public interest before its gets out of control. Not afterwards like Spain Italy etc

FVP3 wrote: »

The emergency powers will allow them to shut pubs and other large gatherings.

Full lockdown isn't enforceable so it isn't going to happen. If it does happen a lot of middle class people will be indoors eating their pasta, while their dogs grow fat, while the feral youth kick balls against the door. Parts of Dublin are not policable now.

I suggest you read the Health (Preservation and Protection and other Emergency Measures in the Public Interest) Act 2020.

It gives the Minister for Health powers to restrict the movement of people; to detain people who have Covid-19 (or are carriers) but are refusing to self-isolate; and essentially quarantine entire areas and put them into lock-down. Those found to have breached certain restrictions will find themselves subject to fines and possible imprisonment.

Feral youth, fat dogs? Let it all out there FVP3.

CaoinDory

physioman wrote: »

There has been a massive overreaction to the beach/park situation. I went to the beach yesterday with kids and yes it was busy, car park was busy but the thing people aren't getting is that cars were coming and going at different times. On the beach nobody was within 3 metres of each other. It was a joy to see the happiness on people's faces and the quality family time people were having.

It's common sense really. Wash your hands properly and frequently. Keep the physical distance.

I agree with you completely. Problem is some people seem to lack common sense. Ha

FVP3

STB. wrote: »

Doom merchants! Get your head out of the sand. You obviously have no idea or refuse to acknowledge whats coming down the tracks.

HERES your EXPERT advise - we are struggling right now to even keep up with the testing phase and we don't have a handle on our numbers.

"We have a simple message for all countries: TEST TEST TEST

You must test and isolate

You cannot fight a fire blindfolded and we cannot stop this pandemic if we do not know who is infected."

WHO Director 16 March, 2020

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4i_95rKQa6M

When did you argue for "test test test". He is saying test and isolate who you need to. That's a world away from an indefinite lockdown, with no exit strategy. Be like Korea, not like China. Not that China didn't work, but we cant do it.

It's also what I have continually suggested we do. Only technology can save the day, and the West needs to get moving on that fast.

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smelly sock wrote: »

A question. Do face masks stop you spreading the virus if you have it?

I understand that they may not stop you contracting.

If they stop the spread then why arent govt supplying them to households or why dont they legislate to enforce the wearing of them during thos crisis.

Surgical masks will catch most of your breath/cough so will certainly make you less infectious.. but no they won't stop you spreading it. People will still have dirty hands and surfaces from either before putting on the mask or touching the mask or their face while wearing it. So less infectious but not totally stopped. You'd also need to dispose of and get a new mask very regularly.

Filtering masks will help stop you breathing in the virus (although you can still catch it in other ways) but they are usually fitted with a ventilator, so they won't protect others from you.

And they won't be given out to the general public because there is a shortage of them for the actual healthworkers who need them.

DeanAustin

STB. wrote: »

Doom merchants! Get your head out of the sand. You obviously have no idea or refuse to acknowledge whats coming down the tracks.

HERES your EXPERT advise - we are struggling right now to even keep up with the testing phase and we don't have a handle on our numbers.

"We have a simple message for all countries: TEST TEST TEST

You must test and isolate

You cannot fight a fire blindfolded and we cannot stop this pandemic if we do not know who is infected."

WHO Director 16 March, 2020

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4i_95rKQa6M

Which is fair enough. But I've seen stuff like "We're gonna be the next Italy" and that sort of rubbish from posters who really know no more than you or me.

If I'm not wrong, the WHO have praised the Irish response to this crisis.

whisky_galore

No LOCKDOWN in sight. Govt suggests putting up polite signs that people will simply ignore

Sam the Sham

Something well worth reading that attempts to answer some of the concerns in this thread: https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-the-hammer-and-the-dance-be9337092b56

The author is not an epidemiologist or a medical practitioner but does seem to have done his homework and is getting quite a few endorsements and shares of his post from people who do have those kinds of qualifications.

Plumbthedepths

STB. wrote: »

Doom merchants! Get your head out of the sand. You obviously have no idea or refuse to acknowledge whats coming down the tracks.

HERES your EXPERT advise - we are struggling right now to even keep up with the testing phase and we don't have a handle on our numbers.

"We have a simple message for all countries: TEST TEST TEST

You must test and isolate

You cannot fight a fire blindfolded and we cannot stop this pandemic if we do not know who is infected."

WHO Director 16 March, 2020

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4i_95rKQa6M

Best thing you do, get off boards and lock yourself down. Please don't reply to me again.

STB.

aido79 wrote: »

I understand all of that but how long do you lockdown for? Until a vaccine or cure is found?

Nobody know Aido. It will be many months.

They took drastic steps in China and it took them months. Now they are facing a second wave due to importing cases back in from foreign jurisdictions. Its becoming circular.

Right now we need to isolate and contain, to stop a spread that overwhelms our health system and results in thousands of needless deaths.

There are countless countries where their health system is no longer fit for purpose. Decimated by the numbers infected. Look at Italy and Spain.

UK and US next. There will limited medical gear available very soon.

FVP3

STB. wrote: »

This is all nonsense.

Confinement and shut down of non essential services is the next stage after social distancing. It is part of the flattening of the curve plan.

Source for confinement being part of the plan? Leo just said it wasn't, he was trying the Korean methodology - South Korea didn't even shut the schools.

The shut down of non essential services is already happening.

The government has emergency powers now at its disposal.

Limited numbers will not play ball even when the gravity of whats facing us is explained. They can be policed.

The emergency powers will allow them to shut pubs and other large gatherings.

Full lockdown isn't enforceable so it isn't going to happen. If it does happen a lot of middle class people will be indoors eating their pasta, while their dogs grow fat, while the feral youth kick balls against the door. Parts of Dublin are not policable now.

Guy:Incognito

CaoinDory wrote: »

I think what that person means is there are no experts I'm this specific virus yet as it is so new.

Yes ,but they are going on like everyone's opinion is equally valid. This sort of "let's have a balance of opinions" crap that gets random anti vaxxers on television to give their views.

In this case I'm going to side with the people who have been studying virus' for their careers.

Some lad in an office job somewhere might end up blurting out what turns out to be the best advice , but hindsight is great isn't it? What about the other 50,000 lads who's advice turned out to be horse ****? How do we pick which of the 50,001 is the right one? I'll stick with the best odds, the people dealing with this stuff every day.

physioman

There has been a massive overreaction to the beach/park situation. I went to the beach yesterday with kids and yes it was busy, car park was busy but the thing people aren't getting is that cars were coming and going at different times. On the beach nobody was within 3 metres of each other. It was a joy to see the happiness on people's faces and the quality family time people were having.

It's common sense really. Wash your hands properly and frequently. Keep the physical distance.

STB.

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Well I'll put it this way , I will listen to the advice coming from the WHO and our own public health experts as opposed to doom merchants on Boards .
They may not be experts on this particular virus but their expertise is based on studies of pervious pandemics and transmission of infection.

Doom merchants! Get your head out of the sand. You obviously have no idea or refuse to acknowledge whats coming down the tracks.

HERES your EXPERT advise - we are struggling right now to even keep up with the testing phase and we don't have a handle on our numbers.

"We have a simple message for all countries: TEST TEST TEST

You must test and isolate

You cannot fight a fire blindfolded and we cannot stop this pandemic if we do not know who is infected."

WHO Director 16 March, 2020

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4i_95rKQa6M

Plumbthedepths

smelly sock wrote: »

Oh. Ok. So the face masks are effective? If people where them then even during a "lockdown" they should be exempt?

They are only effective if they are N95 /N99 and worn properly. Which to date I haven't outside of a hospital environment see anyone wear them correctly. Far better to keep your distance. Masks and gloves ( wearers of these really amuse me) give a false sense of security. Better left for the frontline services.

CaoinDory

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

You know this isn't the first virus that can be transferred between humans, yes?

I think what that person means is there are no experts I'm this specific virus yet as it is so new.

aido79

STB. wrote: »

1 infects 4 which then rises exponentially.

We have 40,000 cases backlogged for the past week or so.

Its the only solution. Otherwise it will run rampant and overwhelm our limited health system.

And when that happens, the doctors have to decide who gets the ventilators and who does not. That means there will a age/suitability cut off point and people are morphined to death to ease the fact that they cannot breathe, in isolation, with no family members present.

I hope that underlines the gravity.

I understand all of that but how long do you lockdown for? Until a vaccine or cure is found?

osarusan

aido79 wrote: »

How long is a lockdown really practical for? I don't think it's the magic solution that a lot of people are hoping for. This all begun in Ireland and every other country with one case. If there is still one unknown infected person after the lockdown then the whole thing starts again.

More testing and people following proper social distancing protocols would be a more effective strategy longterm in my opinion.

In my case I don't see it as a magical solution, but I do see it as a way to both reduce the spread and identify those infected. It's all about avoiding a surge in cases that overwhelms the health system.

If everybody stays home for 2 weeks, the symptoms will show for those who have it, and they can get the treatment they need, while not transmitting to (many) others.

I don't get the idea that a lockdown might be necessary in future, but not yet - what are the conditions that make a lockdown necessary that do not exist right now?

It reminds me of the saying about the best time to plant a tree - the best time was 20 years ago, the second best time is today.

FVP3

The r0 of this virus is 2-3 max, where is the 4 coming from?

And that is in conditions where it is business as usual, which isn't where we are. We have closed pubs, restaurants, and most shops, enforced social distancing in many places, and so on.

Guy:Incognito

STB. wrote: »

There are NO EXPERTS.
.

You know this isn't the first virus that can be transferred between humans, yes?

Plumbthedepths

The One Doctor wrote: »

Posters think everything is dangerous. Boards is worse than WhatsApp for sowing worry. Shutdown Boards and WhatsApp and many problems would-be solved.

If only all the experts on Boards and WhatsApp offered their services to the HSE, this would be sorted in days

smelly sock

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

To answer your question, there are not enough and the frontline staff need them more than some idiot that can't get the concept of social distancing.

Oh. Ok. So the face masks are effective? If people where them then even during a "lockdown" they should be exempt?

aido79

CaoinDory wrote: »

I agree. But what do we do with the people who are not doing it properly? That is my problem with it. For these people, who seem to think they are above everyone else, I think they would need to be forced into lockdown to make them realise.

Alot of people are practising social distancing and if everyone would, the country could continue at a slower, but still functioning pace.

That's the biggest problem so far. I don't think the severity of the situation has sunk in with some people. I honestly don't know what the best course of action is. I just don't think a longterm shutdown is practical.

CaoinDory

STB. wrote: »

It is going to happen. Limited numbers will not play ball when the gravity is explained.

I agree. Once again it is a minority of people who are just self centred and are gonna cause disaster. But sure what's new.

The One Doctor

DeanAustin wrote: »

If my understanding is correct - you get this virus by spending 10-15 mins within two metres or so of someone who is infected.

I went to the beach yesterday. Everyone on that beach, without fail, stayed at least two metres away from everyone else bar their immediate group (which were mainly their families). Yet, some posters seem to think this is dangerous. On the few occasions I have ventured out, social distancing has been observed pretty much without fail.

Am I missing something?

Posters think everything is dangerous. Boards is worse than WhatsApp for sowing worry. Shutdown Boards and WhatsApp and many problems would-be solved.

STB.

FVP3 wrote: »

There would be no way of enforcing a lock down even if we wanted one. The police might try and ban or stop major public gatherings instead. Keeping everybody in their rooms wouldn't work long term and has no exit strategy.

Politicians in the west are clear about their strategy, it is flattening the curve. Not killing the virus, or stopping it, like in Wuhan. They clearly don't think that is possible in the West.

Although possible elsewhere, I don't think we could even police large gatherings here though, although that might be desirable. If a group of 20+ teenagers take over a beach then the police are not going to be able to do much. There are parts of Ireland where there is no

If there was an official lockdown then the teen and other gatherings would still take place but a bored compliant population would be stuck in their rooms.

Instead the best we can do, which wont work either, is to reduce groups to 2-5. Germany has just tried that.

This is all nonsense.

Confinement and shut down of non essential services is the next stage after social distancing. It is part of the flattening of the curve plan.

The government has emergency powers now at its disposal.

It is going to happen. Limited numbers will not play ball even when the gravity of whats facing us is explained. They can be policed.