DeanAustin wrote: » If my understanding is correct - you get this virus by spending 10-15 mins within two metres or so of someone who is infected. I went to the beach yesterday. Everyone on that beach, without fail, stayed at least two metres away from everyone else bar their immediate group (which were mainly their families). Yet, some posters seem to think this is dangerous. On the few occasions I have ventured out, social distancing has been observed pretty much without fail. Am I missing something?
Yakult wrote: » Judging by yesterday, I would disagree. Too many people are ignorant and obviously didn't/don't listen. Well unless they work in the few businesses that are remaining open (for necessities), we will have to accept what we are given. Hopefully bills can be frozen in the mean time to leviate a lot of worries people have. The reality is that they probably have no where to work and for the forseeable future too. So lock down and we get this curbed faster, so people can get back to work faster and life can resume again.
aido79 wrote: » More testing and people following proper social distancing protocols would be a more effective strategy longterm in my opinion.
STB. wrote: » I am in Wexford. Shopping centre car parks full over weekend. McDonald's queues all over the shop. I have seen the pictures of Wicklow, Waterford, Dublin etc over the weeknd with people seriously taking the píss. The inconvenience of staying in all too much sadly. Sounds a lot like what was happening in Italy not 2 weeks ago. The Doctor's coming out openly about the hard decisions they were making about who lives and dies and the scale of the problem to people who refused to take social distancing seriously.https://nypost.com/2020/03/10/italian-doctor-at-heart-of-illness-shares-chilling-coronavirus-thoughts/ They left it too late. They are open about the root cause. They are are asking other countries not to fall into the same trap. Hopeless my backside. People will have to be inconvenienced to save as many as possible.
CaoinDory wrote: » When I went out to do a supply run there was NO social distancing. People were still right behind me when I was queueing at the till. It's great to here that there are some places it's being adhered to but there are definitely places that it is not. That is the problem.
aido79 wrote: » How long is a lockdown really practical for? I don't think it's the magic solution that a lot of people are hoping for. This all begun in Ireland and every other country with one case. If there is still one unknown infected person after the lockdown then the whole thing starts again. More testing and people following proper social distancing protocols would be a more effective strategy longterm in my opinion.
granturismo wrote: » The 10-15 minute rule was debunked and then reaffirmed by one of TCD's immunologists rolled out on TV 2 weeks ago. I think he may have got a wrap on the knuckles for saying transfer can take much less than 10 minutes. Potentially all it takes is 1 viral particle which could be inhaled within seconds of close proximity or transfer from a surface. I went to the Curragh yesterday and have never seen so many people there. I still went for a walk and managed to stay 10m away from other people. I agree with your 2nd paragraph.
STB. wrote: » There are NO EXPERTS. We can only learn from the mistakes of other countries. People might get a fuzzy feeling about it'll all be grand. Wait a few weeks, there will be no positives if this gets out of the control of our limited health system. The simple matter is we don't have a handle on our exact numbers of infections due to a problem with the scale of testing and lab work required. That is not a good start.
STB. wrote: » 1 infects 4 which then rises exponentially. We have 40,000 cases backlogged for the past week or so. Its the only solution. Otherwise it will run rampant and overwhelm our limited health system. And when that happens, the doctors have to decide who gets the ventilators and who does not. That means there will a age/suitability cut off point and people are morphined to death to ease the fact that they cannot breathe, in isolation, with no family members present. I hope that underlines the gravity.
STB. wrote: » 1 infects 4 which then rises exponentially. We have 40,000 cases backlogged for the past week or so. Its the only solution. Otherwise it will run rampant and overwhelm our limited health system. And when that happens, the doctors have to decide who gets the ventilators and who does not. That means there will a cut off point and people are morphined to death to ease the fact that they cannot breathe, in isolation, with no family members present. I hope that underlines the gravity.
smelly sock wrote: » If they stop the spread then why arent govt supplying them to households or why dont they legislate to enforce the wearing of them during thos crisis.
FVP3 wrote: » There would be no way of enforcing a lock down even if we wanted one. The police might try and ban or stop major public gatherings instead. Keeping everybody in their rooms wouldn't work long term and has no exit strategy. Politicians in the west are clear about their strategy, it is flattening the curve. Not killing the virus, or stopping it, like in Wuhan. They clearly don't think that is possible in the West. Although possible elsewhere, I don't think we could even police large gatherings here though, although that might be desirable. If a group of 20+ teenagers take over a beach then the police are not going to be able to do much. There are parts of Ireland where there is no If there was an official lockdown then the teen and other gatherings would still take place but a bored compliant population would be stuck in their rooms. Instead the best we can do, which wont work either, is to reduce groups to 2-5. Germany has just tried that.
STB. wrote: » It is going to happen. Limited numbers will not play ball when the gravity is explained.
CaoinDory wrote: » I agree. But what do we do with the people who are not doing it properly? That is my problem with it. For these people, who seem to think they are above everyone else, I think they would need to be forced into lockdown to make them realise. Alot of people are practising social distancing and if everyone would, the country could continue at a slower, but still functioning pace.
Plumbthedepths wrote: » To answer your question, there are not enough and the frontline staff need them more than some idiot that can't get the concept of social distancing.
The One Doctor wrote: » Posters think everything is dangerous. Boards is worse than WhatsApp for sowing worry. Shutdown Boards and WhatsApp and many problems would-be solved.
STB. wrote: » There are NO EXPERTS. .
Guy:Incognito wrote: » You know this isn't the first virus that can be transferred between humans, yes?
smelly sock wrote: » Oh. Ok. So the face masks are effective? If people where them then even during a "lockdown" they should be exempt?
Plumbthedepths wrote: » Well I'll put it this way , I will listen to the advice coming from the WHO and our own public health experts as opposed to doom merchants on Boards . They may not be experts on this particular virus but their expertise is based on studies of pervious pandemics and transmission of infection.
CaoinDory wrote: » I think what that person means is there are no experts I'm this specific virus yet as it is so new.
STB. wrote: » This is all nonsense. Confinement and shut down of non essential services is the next stage after social distancing. It is part of the flattening of the curve plan.
The government has emergency powers now at its disposal. Limited numbers will not play ball even when the gravity of whats facing us is explained. They can be policed.
