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General Election TV debates

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Deserving of its own thread I feel, especially with FF and FG being neck and neck.
Michael Martin and Leo Varadkar about to debate now on TV3, it will be interesting to see how this plays out.

Likely to be a score draw but if Varadkar wobbles at any point it could send the campaign south pretty quick. TV3 reporting that they have a genuine hatred for each other so they'll have to keep emotions in check.

RTE will also be holding a Martin-Varadkar debate as well as one for all the party leaders together.

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FrancieBrady

is_that_so wrote: »

He was a whole lot better than Yates will ever be. My memories of him are the on the day analysis, which was always good, especially in his knowledge of local voting patterns.

Yates got a whole lot closer in 2016'

Fine Gael on 51 seats; Fianna Fáil on 39; Sinn Féin on 29; Labour on 7

easypazz

is_that_so wrote: »

He was a whole lot better than Yates will ever be. My memories of him are the on the day analysis, which was always good, especially in his knowledge of local voting patterns.

Is that why he called FG 66 seats and got 49?

easypazz

FrancieBrady wrote: »

In 2016 Whelan predicted:

Fine Gael 66 seats, Fianna Fáil 35, Sinn Féin 24 and Labour 8.

the results were:
Fine Gael 49 seats, Fianna Fáil 44 Sinn Féin 23 and Labour 7.

Don't wish to speak ill of the dead, I liked Whelan a lot, but 'great' is an over estimation.

He was also a FF candidate at one stage. Means by default it is impossible to class him as "great"

is_that_so

FrancieBrady wrote: »

In 2016 Whelan predicted:

Fine Gael 66 seats, Fianna Fáil 35, Sinn Féin 24 and Labour 8.

the results were:
Fine Gael 49 seats, Fianna Fáil 44 Sinn Féin 23 and Labour 7.

Don't wish to speak ill of the dead, I liked Whelan a lot, but 'great' is an over estimation.

He was a whole lot better than Yates will ever be. My memories of him are the on the day analysis, which was always good, especially in his knowledge of local voting patterns.

Loafing Oaf

is_that_so wrote: »

Not too knowledgeable about Sligo myself but on numbers from the last election with FG at 27% that may not be true at all. Even on 20% that's a seat for them as they have generally been good nationally on vote management. I reckon it will come down to how they and FF do manage the votes. It will be very competitive for sure.

Yeah it'll be Harkin, MacSharry, Kenny, and the last seat will be between FG and FF2, couldn't be called with confidence at this stage.

Idbatterim

Suckit wrote: »

FG were very quick to point out how FF brought the country to it's knees and blew all the money etc..
That must be why they were so careful not to overspend on any contracts.. :rolleyes:
That really takes some doing to overspend by the amount they did.

Ff are easily worse than fg. Fg have made expensive mistakes , mainly on the nch. But that is a one off project. Ff will ramp up spending on shot on a far broader scale , before it all collapses again

Idbatterim

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Here is a useful link to the manifestos of Irish political parties ahead of each general election.

http://michaelpidgeon.com/manifestos/

It seems the meaning of a manifesto is lost on many people.

Only a party in government with an overall majority can attempt to deliver its manifesto in it’s entirety.

Labour should put that up on their website and posters. Their ex delusional supporters seem to think that they weren’t a massively junior party to fg last time and that Ireland wasn’t the one with the begging bowl out!

FrancieBrady

is_that_so wrote: »

He likes to think he is but not quite as good as he imagines. Always good to have a block of salt to hand with Ivan's calls. Not a patch on Mike Marsh nor the late great Noel Whelan.

In 2016 Whelan predicted:

Fine Gael 66 seats, Fianna Fáil 35, Sinn Féin 24 and Labour 8.

the results were:
Fine Gael 49 seats, Fianna Fáil 44 Sinn Féin 23 and Labour 7.

Don't wish to speak ill of the dead, I liked Whelan a lot, but 'great' is an over estimation.

is_that_so

shenanagans wrote: »

Listening to Gavin O Reilly and Ivan Yeats earlier.....prediction was for NO FG seat for Sligo/Leitrim....so not holding seats on all rural areas. And Yeats is good with election predictions.

He had Marion Harkin (independent) stealing the current FG seat.

He likes to think he is but not quite as good as he imagines. Always good to have a block of salt to hand with Ivan's calls. Not a patch on Mike Marsh nor the late great Noel Whelan. Not too knowledgeable about Sligo myself but on numbers from the last election with FG at 27% that may not be true at all. Even on 20% that's a seat for them as they have generally been good nationally on vote management. I reckon it will come down to how they and FF do manage the votes. It will be very competitive for sure.

Phoebas

mgn wrote: »

Heard Ming was out canvassing with her recently, when that fool can get elected, there is hope for her.

Ming - who led the turf cutters - canvassing with a Green Party candidate!

Odd.

Suckit

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Ah for f*** sake. I'm getting Nintendo thumb...

Here....

NAMA sold them, likely at a loss. Murphy bought them back at full price market rate.
Noonan being inappropriate up north most likely.

Murphy's Past coming back to him, I won't say 'haunt' him, as it's more likely he's smirking.

http://www.eoghanmurphy.ie/2010/06/02/a-day-in-the-life/

1pm Lunch around the corner. Order the wrong thing – going to be hungry later. Have to leave lunch for ten minutes to meet two local FGers who are outside the office. We have a brief chat and arrange to talk again later. Back to lunch. Discussing rent and utilities. Figure out we’re still basically paying boom rent prices. Brilliant.

..Then FG took over and the rent has risen by almost 40%.

James Brown

tayto lover wrote: »

Didn’t hear about them buying houses back from vulture funds.
Would you have a link to that Matt please?

Ah for f*** sake. I'm getting Nintendo thumb...

Here....

Government criticised for buying mortgages from vulture fund at full market value

A group representing homeless people has criticised plans for the state to pay market value for homes previously owned by Nama.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/government-criticised-for-buying-mortgages-from-vulture-fund-at-full-market-value-864997.html

NAMA sold them, likely at a loss. Murphy bought them back at full price market rate.
Noonan being inappropriate up north most likely.

mgn

shenanagans wrote: »

That's more as a result of their candidate not running this time.....Hopkins could have done well but she decided not to run.

Hopkins may have done well, but still couldn't see her getting elected, there is still a lot of bad blood around FG over the hospital.

shenanagans

Suckit wrote: »

FG were very quick to point out how FF brought the country to it's knees and blew all the money etc..
That must be why they were so careful not to overspend on any contracts.. :rolleyes:
That really takes some doing to overspend by the amount they did.

What about the most expensive childrens hospital in the world....

tayto lover

Matt Barrett wrote: »

NCH,
IW,
Sitserv deal

Selling houses to vulture funds....then buying them back.
Prefered bidder how are ya.
You know, the lads.

Didn’t hear about them buying houses back from vulture funds.
Would you have a link to that Matt please?

shenanagans

mgn wrote: »

FG not going to get a seat in Roscommon/Galway either.

That's more as a result of their candidate not running this time.....Hopkins could have done well but she decided not to run.

Suckit

FG were very quick to point out how FF brought the country to it's knees and blew all the money etc..
That must be why they were so careful not to overspend on any contracts.. :rolleyes:
That really takes some doing to overspend by the amount they did.

gmisk

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

But it won't.

Show us your evidence?

Your putting this point across, well prove it...

Let see shall we.
As I said I have only heard rumours.
But as I said already imo the technology used for parts of it are not ideal, satelite (which is improving speed wise) would have been a much better and less disruptive solution rather than the use of fibre in isolated rural areas.

shenanagans

ricero wrote: »

Jasus how do people vote for Joan Burton.

Her voice penetrates your skull like a migraine.

She looks shocking...lack of sleep. The campaign is showing on her. Surely time she retired.

gmisk

Suckit wrote: »

More importantly, can it be reversed? Can the contract be stopped by the next Government?

It has been signed by cabinet so I doubt it, at least not without some serious penalties I would think, I haven't seen the contract.

Loafing Oaf

shenanagans wrote: »

Listening to Gavin O Reilly and Ivan Yeats earlier.....prediction was for NO FG seat for Sligo/Leitrim....so not holding seats on all rural areas. And Yeats is good with election predictions.

He had Marion Harkin (independent) stealing the current FG seat.

One constituency where they have two newbie candidates. Every commentator has Harkin a shoe-in for a seat. I'd be surprised if they came back with fewer than 40 seats.

mgn

shenanagans wrote: »

Listening to Gavin O Reilly and Ivan Yeats earlier.....prediction was for NO FG seat for Sligo/Leitrim....so not holding seats on all rural areas. And Yeats is good with election predictions.

He had Marion Harkin (independent) stealing the current FG seat.

FG not going to get a seat in Roscommon/Galway either.

ricero

Jasus how do people vote for Joan Burton.

Her voice penetrates your skull like a migraine.

mgn

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

I'm from Mayo and I can't see this working. She's trying to appease people who would never vote Green anyway. Her best (but still slim) hope was to mobilise the same progressive younger voters who got behind her in the euros.

Heard Ming was out canvassing with her recently, when that fool can get elected, there is hope for her.

shenanagans

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Yep but bookies have them odds on to hold two seats in a lot of rural constituencies: Mayo, Limerick County, Clare, Carlow-Kilkenny...Conservatism of rural voters could see them minimise seat losses even if their vote takes a sizeable hit

Listening to Gavin O Reilly and Ivan Yeats earlier.....prediction was for NO FG seat for Sligo/Leitrim....so not holding seats on all rural areas. And Yeats is good with election predictions.

He had Marion Harkin (independent) stealing the current FG seat.

Suckit

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

But it won't.

Show us your evidence?

Your putting this point across, well prove it...

More importantly, can it be reversed? Can the contract be stopped by the next Government?

James Brown

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

But it won't.

Show us your evidence?

Your putting this point across, well prove it...

NCH,
IW,
Sitserv deal

Selling houses to vulture funds....then buying them back.
Prefered bidder how are ya.
You know, the lads.

Jinglejangle69

gmisk wrote: »

I am not denying a national broadband plan is needed quite the opposite.
My point is that the proposed technology will be out of date by the time it is put in place, it will also likely cost more than 3 billion.

But it won't.

Show us your evidence?

Your putting this point across, well prove it...

[Deleted User]

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

I'm from Mayo and I can't see this working. She's trying to appease people who would never vote Green anyway. Her best (but still slim) hope was to mobilise the same progressive younger voters who got behind her in the euros.

thats what i would have thought- confidence to clearly back her partys policies and show that rural ireland is more than just the farming lobby, who were never going to back her anyway

Loafing Oaf

mgn wrote: »

No, but it might give her a better chance of getting elected in a rural area.

I'm from Mayo and I can't see this working. She's trying to appease people who would never vote Green anyway. Her best (but still slim) hope was to mobilise the same progressive younger voters who got behind her in the euros.