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Ireland Team Talk XI: Team of nervoUS MOD warning Post 1

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https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057953711/251
All Ireland Senior XV related talk here.

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salmocab

Felix Jones is God. wrote: »

Only in boards posters eyes.... in Joe's and Andy's eyes he's been a demigod, and that's all that matters

Loathe as I am to get involved in this debate we don’t know what Andy thinks yet.
Personally I think the back row lacks balance it’s not particularly the individuals but the collective that hasn’t functioned. Heaslip was the Jedi prophecy and it was he that brought balance to the force/backrow.

[Deleted User]

I think Doris could make the extended squad at this rate.

troyzer

Interested Observer wrote: »

I think Doris could make the extended squad at this rate.

I think he'll start at least against Italy.

theVersatile

Were talking about POM and Beirne getting outmuscled and being too light yet we want to throw Dorris straight into the starting team? Deegan has some meat on him atleast but Doris is lean and would get thrown around at international level.

Bazzo

theVersatile wrote: »

Were talking about POM and Beirne getting outmuscled and being too light yet we want to throw Dorris straight into the starting team? Deegan has some meat on him atleast but Doris is lean and would get thrown around at international level.

Where are you getting that from? Looks totally comfortable at European level.

[Deleted User]

theVersatile wrote: »

Were talking about POM and Beirne getting outmuscled and being too light yet we want to throw Dorris straight into the starting team? Deegan has some meat on him atleast but Doris is lean and would get thrown around at international level.

Really don't agree with this at all, he's been very abrasive. He carried for about 130m in the past two games.

Shefwedfan

salmocab wrote: »

Loathe as I am to get involved in this debate we don’t know what Andy thinks yet.
Personally I think the back row lacks balance it’s not particularly the individuals but the collective that hasn’t functioned. Heaslip was the Jedi prophecy and it was he that brought balance to the force/backrow.

Heaslip was a huge loss.....one which was filled by the Leavy so it wasn't noticed. When both Leavy and Heaslip where gone then the s**t hit the fan

Anyone that thinks a back row of POM/VDF/Stander is going to work going forward is completely mad. I said it prior to the WC we would lose with that backrow.....

I don't know if Doris or Deegan is the answer. Or moving Stander to 6. I think at this stage the only player who is certain to start if fit and still in form is VDF. Then you build players around him to get a balanced back row.

Nobody has mentioned Ruddock who has been incredible this season so far and is a monster. Something we need against the English/French back rows.

Dubinusa

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Heaslip was a huge loss.....one which was filled by the Leavy so it wasn't noticed. When both Leavy and Heaslip where gone then the s**t hit the fan

Anyone that thinks a back row of POM/VDF/Stander is going to work going forward is completely mad. I said it prior to the WC we would lose with that backrow.....

I don't know if Doris or Deegan is the answer. Or moving Stander to 6. I think at this stage the only player who is certain to start if fit and still in form is VDF. Then you build players around him to get a balanced back row.

Nobody has mentioned Ruddock who has been incredible this season so far and is a monster. Something we need against the English/French back rows.

I've pushed Ruddock! Easily the best in form 6 for quite a while now! Offers brute strength, speed and skill. In fact, he would take some of the load off Stander and Healy! His defense is top notch. He's capable at the line out and is a good leader.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Nordi getting some minutes either. He in turn has a huge upside, plays all 3 positions, has experience and is a really good player.

Shefwedfan

Dubinusa wrote: »

I've pushed Ruddock! Easily the best in form 6 for quite a while now! Offers brute strength, speed and skill. In fact, he would take some of the load off Stander and Healy! His defense is top notch. He's capable at the line out and is a good leader.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Nordi getting some minutes either. He in turn has a huge upside, plays all 3 positions, has experience and is a really good player.

Nordi best position is 7, I think he is quality as well. When he started the NZ game he was the answer to 7, that injury opened up the door to VDF....I still like him and he is best option on bench because he can cover all positions

Ruddock is a man beast, it would have been jnteresting if we got SA in qtr I would have expected him to start

I do think we have quality players and lots of them, just need to figure out what best combination is

stephen_n

theVersatile wrote: »

Were talking about POM and Beirne getting outmuscled and being too light yet we want to throw Dorris straight into the starting team? Deegan has some meat on him atleast but Doris is lean and would get thrown around at international level.

He’s 3kg’s lighter than Deegan, not a huge amount and at 106kg’s he’s only a kg lighter than POM

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theVersatile wrote: »

Were talking about POM and Beirne getting outmuscled and being too light yet we want to throw Dorris straight into the starting team? Deegan has some meat on him atleast but Doris is lean and would get thrown around at international level.

Without in anyway discussing his chances for a call up nor comparing him to Beirne or POM, Dorris has pretty formidable stopping power. His excellent tackle stats are genuinely only half the story, he works very hard to be in the right place and he is properly solid in contact. He added plenty of physicality and urgency to our defence. I think the conversation has shifted from Doris v Deegan to Doris v Conan.

For the sake of clarity - absolutely none of this had anything to do with Peter O'Mahony.

troyzer

Midi Olympique are reporting that Sexton has been approached by Lyon who are looking to buy out the last year of his contract.

[Deleted User]

troyzer wrote: »

Midi Olympique are reporting that Sexton has been approached by Lyon who are looking to buy out the last year of his contract.

Meh. He owes us nothing. If he wants to get well paid for his last year or two instead of winning silverware then I've no issue with that.

He obviously made an impression in the away fixture. Confirms my impression that he is playing first class rugby at the moment, despite what happened at the World Cup.

Squidgy Black

troyzer wrote: »

Midi Olympique are reporting that Sexton has been approached by Lyon who are looking to buy out the last year of his contract.

Would be shocked if it happened, mostly because I don't think the IRFU would be keen to set a precedent saying central contracts can be bought out if big clubs coming banging on the door.

Clegg

I wonder would Sexton be keen to leave a second time. His time at Racing wasn't very successful and Lyon don't play a brand of rugby that he'd be keen on. Suppose it all comes down to money though.

Shefwedfan

Clegg wrote: »

I wonder would Sexton be keen to leave a second time. His time at Racing wasn't very successful and Lyon don't play a brand of rugby that he'd be keen on. Suppose it all comes down to money though.

I said on leinster thread

He has mentioned a few times when him and Misses left they had no kids. Young and free. They had a kid over in Paris, I think when he was still in France he done an interview saying how hard it was with no grandparents etc

I think they have a few now.....I doubt he has any interest in going to France unless he leaves the family here and commutes over and back. Seemingly Pinear was doing it from Belfast to Montpellier and I know DOC was doing it when in England.

Would Sexton really need the money? also in Lyon does he really have the chance of winning the Top 14?

I think his time was ok, Racing wanted to sign him again and offered him huge money. When he didn't resign then the French took the hump. All sorts came out after that. Before when they wanted him to stay it was all rosy

yerrahbah

https://twitter.com/CianTracey1/status/1206593203513806848

Shefwedfan

The big question is who is not in the squad

Rob Kearney is the big name for me not on thelist

Anyone else?

Felix Jones is God.

Shefwedfan wrote: »

The big question is who is not in the squad

Rob Kearney is the big name for me not on thelist

Anyone else?

Jordi Murphy and John Ryan are out?

Buer

A few international careers ended. Rob Kearney, John Ryan, Sean Cronin....Marmion possibly completely out of the reckoning?

Curious that Sexton is there and Beirne isn't. Sexton clearly has a big part to play for Farrell.

irelandrover

Why is Carty not in the squad?

Bazzo

Buer wrote: »

A few international careers ended. Rob Kearney, John Ryan, Sean Cronin....Marmion possibly completely out of the reckoning?

Curious that Sexton is there and Beirne isn't. Sexton clearly has a big part to play for Farrell.

Doubt Marmion is completely out of the reckoning. Has been injured and Blade has been lighting it up in his absence, wouldn't make sense to include him ahead of Blade and there are already 45 scrum halves in the squad there. Marmion has been around for so long that people tend to forget he's only a year older than McGrath.

irelandrover wrote: »

Why is Carty not in the squad?

Hasn't hit the form of pre world cup again yet.. I'd back him to work his way back into form and consideration though, overall he's shown a lot of mental fortitude throughout his career.

LuckyGent88

Burns over Carty!!! Not a hope of have that anyway.

Would have thought Jack O Donoghue would get a spot in the squad.

thomond2006

Dave Heffernan
Rob Herring
Niall Scannell
Ronan Kelleher

Dave Kilcoyne
Cian Healy

Andrew Porter
Tadhg Furlong
Marty Moore
Tom O’Toole

Ultan Dillane
Iain Henderson
Jean Kleyn
Quinn Roux
James Ryan
Devin Toner

Will Connors,
Max Deegan
Caelan Doris
Peter O’Mahony
Josh van der Flier
Rhys Ruddock
CJ Stander

Caolin Blade
John Cooney
Jamison Gibson Park
Luke McGrath
Conor Murray

Billy Burns
Ross Byrne
Joey Carbery,
Jonathan Sexton

Bundee Aki
Chris Farrell
Robbie Henshaw
Stuart McCloskey
Garry Ringrose
Rory Scannell

Will Addison
Andrew Conway
Keith Earls
Mike Haley
Dave Kearney
Jordan Larmour
Jacob Stockdale

RWC squad members not named: Sean Cronin, Rory Best (retired), John Ryan (injured/tbc), Tadhg Beirne (injured), Jack Conan (injured), Jordi Murphy, Jack Carty, Rob Kearney

errlloyd

Buer wrote: »

A few international careers ended. Rob Kearney, John Ryan, Sean Cronin....Marmion possibly completely out of the reckoning?

Curious that Sexton is there and Beirne isn't. Sexton clearly has a big part to play for Farrell.

I suspect injuries are ruling people out. Including Cronin and Beirne.

Granny15

errlloyd wrote: »

I suspect injuries are ruling people out. Including Cronin and Beirne.

They're not ruling out Carbery or Sexton.

errlloyd

thomond2006 wrote: »

Tom O’Toole
Dave Kilcoyne
Cian Healy

Tom O Toole is a tighthead.

Zzippy

Well I think we know who gave Joe the nudge to pick McGrath over Marmion now.

I suppose it is just a one day "stocktake" but good to see a lot of young guys being brought into the squad. Paul Boyle can feel hard done by from a Connacht perspective but back row is a very competitive area.

Dubinusa

Nordi? What the hell?

arsebiscuits1

irelandrover wrote: »

Why is Carty not in the squad?

Presumably needs to fight for his Connacht place against Fitzgerald