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Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread XI (The Finals Countdown)

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Faugheen

Clegg wrote: »

We still haven't see VdF and Leavy in the same backrow that often. When one of fit the other licks up an injury. A backrow of Conan, Leavy and VdF complements each other so well. It's a shame that we won't get to see that this season.

I’ve always thought Leavy at 6 as opposed to 7 would be the answer. Good carrier, great on the ground and works around the pitch. Having him at 6 and letting Josh do his thing at 7 is a great thought.

I just hope when Leavy comes back that he had the same fight as before. He’s an excellent player.

Shefwedfan

kingofthekong wrote: »

Disagree, the whole reason England have such a powerful pack is because Eddie fast tracked Underhill and Curry .....they should do the same with Penny

Curry was taken on a tour to Argentina when he was 19 thats a year younger than Penny...now hes up there with the best 7s in the world

This constant reluctance to try younger players out is dieing out now that these players are receiving professional level coaching and S&C from when they are 15 years old

Penny has played a few Pro 14 games and we are now shoving him into international rugby just to get youth into the team

Let's see how he gets on this season, if he can force his way into the HC squad. No problem with bringing young players into Ireland squad when they deserve it, like Larmour/Carbery etc. Not just shoving in a young player because of what England done

whatawaster

kingofthekong wrote: »

Disagree, the whole reason England have such a powerful pack is because Eddie fast tracked Underhill and Curry .....they should do the same with Penny

Curry was taken on a tour to Argentina when he was 19 thats a year younger than Penny...now hes up there with the best 7s in the world

This constant reluctance to try younger players out is dieing out now that these players are receiving professional level coaching and S&C from when they are 15 years old

I think, and I'm open to correction here, that English players physically peak earlier, possibly because they are in Academies from a younger age.

kingofthekong

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Penny is 20....we have
Ruddock, Deegan, Doris, Nordi, Conan, VDF, Stander etc all available to Ireland.

Let the guy get a chance and a few caps at HC level before shoving him into an international match where he could get hammered and set back......

Disagree, the whole reason England have such a powerful pack is because Eddie fast tracked Underhill and Curry .....they should do the same with Penny

Curry was taken on a tour to Argentina when he was 19 thats a year younger than Penny...now hes up there with the best 7s in the world

This constant reluctance to try younger players out is dieing out now that these players are receiving professional level coaching and S&C from when they are 15 years old

Niallof9

kingofthekong wrote: »

If Farrell brings a below average T. O'donnel or Reidy from Ulster over Penny on a summer tour after a whole season of european/pro14 rugby then its a big mistake.

exactly. If you're good enough you're old enough. If penny starts European games he's got a good shot. We need to start rebuilding right away. Leinster will be at the heart of it. Kelleher's in the same boat, i also predict a cap on summer tour.

He's already failing if he ignores whats in front of him. I'll sharpen the pitchforks for this scenario.

Thankfully Lancaster and Cullen back youth, maybe he will too.

Clegg

We still haven't see VdF and Leavy in the same backrow that often. When one of fit the other licks up an injury. A backrow of Conan, Leavy and VdF complements each other so well. It's a shame that we won't get to see that this season.

kingofthekong

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

Ah here. Would you let a fella find his feet before sharpening the pitch forks.

The only way Penny is getting in is on merit. I don't think anyone will be upset if he gets there - especially seeing as we are a little light on 7s on this Isle with no Leavy or SOB.

But to say a coach has started to fail because he thinks a 20 year old might need another season in a position where 20% of all rugby injuries occur is just a bit much

If Farrell brings a below average T. O'donnel or Reidy from Ulster over Penny on a summer tour after a whole season of european/pro14 rugby then its a big mistake.

Shefwedfan

Niallof9 wrote: »

Penny is incredibly powerful. He will be an Irish international by the end of the summer i think.

With this new breed its not necessarily the size of them, its the size of their mentality. Its light years ahead of some of the prior generation. They grew up on Irish rugby being dominant and better coaching and facilities.

Penny is 20....we have
Ruddock, Deegan, Doris, Nordi, Conan, VDF, Stander etc all available to Ireland.

Let the guy get a chance and a few caps at HC level before shoving him into an international match where he could get hammered and set back......

arsebiscuits1

Niallof9 wrote: »

I disagree if Penny after having played for Leinster is not in the summer tour Andy Farrell is already failing in my book.

I'm nearly certain he won't make this mistake.

It took a few years for Joe to finally embrace a bit of youth.

Ah here. Would you let a fella find his feet before sharpening the pitch forks.

The only way Penny is getting in is on merit. I don't think anyone will be upset if he gets there - especially seeing as we are a little light on 7s on this Isle with no Leavy or SOB.

But to say a coach has started to fail because he thinks a 20 year old might need another season in a position where 20% of all rugby injuries occur is just a bit much

Niallof9

I disagree if Penny after having played for Leinster is not in the summer tour Andy Farrell is already failing in my book.

I'm nearly certain he won't make this mistake.

It took a few years for Joe to finally embrace a bit of youth.

Maybe its not the forwards im having doubts about. Its more the backline youth. Who do we have that is coming through that is at Deegean or Penny level. IS Turner going to break through?

arsebiscuits1

RugbyLover123 wrote: »

Nobody worried about Pennys size at the top level? Seems a good bit smaller then VDF, and say Hooper who is considered a small 7. I know he was a quality underage player but I’m having doubts about whether he’ll make it at HC knockout/international level.

I think Penny and Hooper both have Rugby intellect in common.

If you've enough in the top 2 inches it more than makes up for any height you're lacking.

Pennys technique is incredibly sound. His rucking and tackling are both very polished. But his decision making and reading of what he needs to do is very good. His decision time around the ruck could be better. But that will come with more senior game time

And the way the game is going with regards to high tackles I think having shorter stockier guys in the mould of Penny and Turner are going to be very beneficial.

They'll be forcing the bigger lads to adjust even lower to get an effective hit. That's where an unstable platform or a soft shoulder appears and the linebreaks or gain line successes are found

arsebiscuits1

Niallof9 wrote: »

Penny is incredibly powerful. He will be an Irish international by the end of the summer i think.

With this new breed its not necessarily the size of them, its the size of their mentality. Its light years ahead of some of the prior generation. They grew up on Irish rugby being dominant and better coaching and facilities.

Penny in a bit of space is almost a centre. His handling, footwork and ability to find the soft shoulder are all very impressive.

I'd be surprised if there was a better handling/ passing forward in Leinster (Deegan maybe)

I think this summer is a bit soon to be an international. But I can see him being a very important member of our Euro squad.

But I agree. Penny is a real example of the new school of players. To come straight out of school being ready for senior rugby is incredibly impressive. The fact that he didn't need the sub academy at all is incredible

Niallof9

Penny is incredibly powerful. He will be an Irish international by the end of the summer i think.

With this new breed its not necessarily the size of them, its the size of their mentality. Its light years ahead of some of the prior generation. They grew up on Irish rugby being dominant and better coaching and facilities.

acer911

What is the best way to get two tickets for the away Northampton game and how easy will it be to get them? Not a season ticket holder if that matters.

Yeah_Right

antietam1 wrote: »

Can't agree either or both Vunipola could have ended up here, same with Manu our poaches are not very good.

You should try doing a bit of research before commenting on things that you don't have a lot of knowledge about.

sydthebeat

RugbyLover123 wrote: »

Nobody worried about Pennys size at the top level? Seems a good bit smaller then VDF, and say Hooper who is considered a small 7. I know he was a quality underage player but I’m having doubts about whether he’ll make it at HC knockout/international level.

Nope.

He reminds me of a young Sean o brien.

disposableFish

RugbyLover123 wrote: »

Nobody worried about Pennys size at the top level? Seems a good bit smaller then VDF, and say Hooper who is considered a small 7.

No, he plays in a position where speed and agility are two of the most important factors.

Opensides are having a bit of come back, having become an endangered species over the last 20 years.
We've seen so many blindsides shoved into a 7 jersey that I think we forget what they look like and we definitely forget how to use them.

We're seeing (over the last 5 or so years) how size is falling short against skill and tempo. We need a mix of all of these qualities in a team.

Shefwedfan

salmocab wrote: »

Yeah probably, Just think Byrne is the big prospect for this year and with Sexton back soon enough he might get time now, a bit at Christmas then some more during the 6N. 2 or 3 starts for the season along with maybe 6 or 7 bench’s. (injuries withstanding)

H Byrne is probably next year more than this year, Sexton will be our marquee 10, rolled out for the big games

Ross really is our starting 10 at this stage and then H Byrne will be used like Frawley was last year, the odd Pro 14 game etc of Sexton is a risk for Europe and they want to keep R Byrne in reserve

Next year Sexton will be winding down and really should be Ross and Harry fighting it out over starting 10

But who is to say Harry doesn’t do a Larmour and jump the queue

Shefwedfan

RugbyLover123 wrote: »

Nobody worried about Pennys size at the top level? Seems a good bit smaller then VDF, and say Hooper who is considered a small 7. I know he was a quality underage player but I’m having doubts about whether he’ll make it at HC knockout/international level.

He is 20

Give the lad a chance

RugbyLover123

Nobody worried about Pennys size at the top level? Seems a good bit smaller then VDF, and say Hooper who is considered a small 7. I know he was a quality underage player but I’m having doubts about whether he’ll make it at HC knockout/international level.

The Iron Giant

Squidgy Black wrote: »

I think if you have Harry Byrne starting you need to put JGP inside him, playing two young half backs is a risky move even against Treviso.

Agreed. Hoping to see a lot of JGP this year. His form over the last 18 months has been outstanding following some blips and he's still only 27 so has plenty of years left in him.

salmocab

Squidgy Black wrote: »

I think if you have Harry Byrne starting you need to put JGP inside him, playing two young half backs is a risky move even against Treviso.

Yeah probably, Just think Byrne is the big prospect for this year and with Sexton back soon enough he might get time now, a bit at Christmas then some more during the 6N. 2 or 3 starts for the season along with maybe 6 or 7 bench’s. (injuries withstanding)

Squidgy Black

salmocab wrote: »

Might see Harry Byrne start.

I think if you have Harry Byrne starting you need to put JGP inside him, playing two young half backs is a risky move even against Treviso.

AbusesToilets

antietam1 wrote: »

Sorry about that if so.

It's grand, just wasn't sure what you were trying to say.

antietam1

AbusesToilets wrote: »

Not sure you're replying to me there?

Sorry about that if so.

salmocab

molloyjh wrote: »

So, away to Zebre this weekend. They've conceded over 50 in every game so far, including Dragons at home. What kind of squad would we like to see for it? Personally I'd go with something like the below. The back 3 here could tear Zebre apart while the bench would probably scare the life out of them....

Milne Tracy Abdaladze
Molony Fardy
Murphy Doris Connors

Osbourne RByrne
Tomane COB
Lowe Keenan Byrne

Kelleher, Dooley, Bent, Toner, Deegan, JGP, HByrne, JOB

Might see Harry Byrne start.

AbusesToilets

antietam1 wrote: »

Can't agree either or both Vunipola could have ended up here, same with Manu our poaches are not very good.
A few Welsh lads I worked with hate or don't rate Hadleigh Parkes and yet he has bailed out Wales time and time again.

Not sure you're replying to me there?

molloyjh

So, away to Zebre this weekend. They've conceded over 50 in every game so far, including Dragons at home. What kind of squad would we like to see for it? Personally I'd go with something like the below. The back 3 here could tear Zebre apart while the bench would probably scare the life out of them....

Milne Tracy Abdaladze
Molony Fardy
Murphy Doris Connors

Osbourne RByrne
Tomane COB
Lowe Keenan Byrne

Kelleher, Dooley, Bent, Toner, Deegan, JGP, HByrne, JOB

AbusesToilets

Former Former wrote: »

A back row of Ruddock, VDF and Conan probably isn't even the best in Ireland, let alone being the envy of Europe.

These things are cyclical. We've had ten years of incredible quality in the back row, we might be in for a dip.

I think Doris is the most likely of the current youngsters to really make an impact.

That's nonsense in fairness. That's a backrow combo good enough to win a HC, without even mentioning Leavy or Fardy. Add to that players like Deegan, Doris and Penny, who've already demonstrated quality at underage levels. What clubs would you say outstrip Leinster in backrow options? Saracens, some of the French clubs perhaps, but I wouldn't say by much, if so.

antietam1

AbusesToilets wrote: »

Would you have considered EOS a success coach? He won the most games ever by an Irish coach, up til Joe. Never won any silverware. I'm grateful for what we won with Joe, but he failed with respect to the WC. Those two things aren't mutually exclusive, and I would consider the WC the ultimate measure of an International coach. That's how other nations also view it, rightly so.

Can't agree either or both Vunipola could have ended up here, same with Manu our poaches are not very good.
A few Welsh lads I worked with hate or don't rate Hadleigh Parkes and yet he has bailed out Wales time and time again.