duploelabs wrote: » Is ODS (Obama dereangement syndrome) a thing?
Matt Barrett wrote: » I didn't know Obama was back as President Trump is a low grade human being. He's openly attacking Biden and his son, talking about him not being qualified. This is all based on unfounded rumor and even if proven to be true calling on China and strong arming the Ukraine using an unofficial personal Lawyer, (Giuiiania) and compromised Barr to do it is impeachable IMO. The GOP would have a stroke if Obama or Clinton, (either Clinton) pulled that sh*te. Complete unpatriotic hypocrites the Republicans. And talk about nepotism and not qualified for the job...
notobtuse wrote: » How much are Trump's daughter and son-in-law being paid? How was Hunter Biden qualified to sit on those Boards?
Matt Barrett wrote: » You think the Kushners aren't going to make out of this? You think these two amateurs should be brokering peace in the middle east? You've a weird logic. Hunter Biden, worst case scenario, made a ton of money because of who his father was. The Kushner's are colouring U.S. policy. Does that not scare the bejesus out of you, as an American? Also the Biden thing is rumour regarding getting that prosecutor fired. There was a move by the US and the EU to have him removed. He was working in a corrupt environment and not seen to do anything about it. Your POTUS held back military aid from a country being undermined by Putin for God sake. Get your priorities straight.
The Phantom Jipper wrote: » Trump is being impeached because he asked the Ukrainians to investigate a political opponent, and used taxpayer funds as leverage to get them to do so. His own public statements and transcript confirm this. The endless Twitter links and conspiracy theory videos explaining "the real scandal" are unnecessary. It really is an open and shut case.
"There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me."
notobtuse wrote: » One has to wonder if, as the democrats and media claim, their numerous cases against Trump are so strong, why do they find it necessary to continually lie and make things up about him? Trumps presidency in a nutshell…https://vimeo.com/362919470
notobtuse wrote: » How has that peace in the middle east been going that’s been brokered for decades by career professionals? And how are the Kushners’ going to make out from their work? Hunter Biden became a director of Burisma, the largest natural-gas producer in Ukraine with no prior experience in the gas industry, or with Ukrainian regulatory affairs. His only qualification was his position as the son of the vice president. But in your eyes the Kurshners’, who are working for a better world and taking no salary are evil, yet Biden’s quid pro quo and his son’s slimy leveraging of favors simply because daddy was the VP seem to be socially acceptable corruption to you... do I have that right?
Veritas Libertas wrote: » "A Political Opponent"- Biden is not the democratic nominee and it is unlikely he will be, Warren is the odds on favourite..... To dismiss this information as conspiracy and an 'open and shut case' is a sure fire case of Trump Delusion Syndrome.
Matt Barrett wrote: » Again, we all don't live in the teams mentality you do. They can lock up Biden and his son for all I care. Time to put your country ahead of your party comrade.
notobtuse wrote: » Looking into potential corruption by a Vice President, and a political party and their political appointees to high offices' potential illegal and deceitful attempts with the use of foreign agents to destroy the GOP candidate, and then work to undermine and get the duly elected president out of office once he’s elected isn’t something our country should be concerned with?
Igotadose wrote: » And he has the enormous mechanism of the US intelligence apparatus to do this. So, what exactly did Rudy have to do? Trump hired Manafort, and as a result got in bed with the Ukranians. Hence the interest in all things Ukraine. And the massive fear evident from Trump's increasingly unhinged behavior as the impeachment investigation continues and what Trump & Manafort got into in Ukraine becomes evidence. There's already some interest in Trump's dealings (the story Trump broke about Rick Perry asking for the phone call) and Ukranian energy interests. Seems that the US officials involved are GOP donors with high-level access to Trump: https://apnews.com/d7440cffba4940f5b85cd3dfa3500fb2
notobtuse wrote: » There has been and are investigations into this. Now we should also look at other improper things, even if they come from the DNC, right?
Matt Barrett wrote: » Same to you. Sadly for America, Biden is the only one with a shot. At this point I think the only way America has a chance of being great again is if Trump is kicked out of office by American patriots. He's an enemy of the U.S.A.
Since the election of Donald Trump in 2016, almost all legacy media outlets have fixated on resistance to his presidency, at the expense of traditional journalism. Until this summer, that resistance centered on the chimera of an insidious Russian conspiracy. Now, as that canard fades away, the new anti-Trump obsession of racism emerges. Think I exaggerate? Then consider actual recent statements from the leadership of the once-vaunted New York Times. At its internal town-hall meeting last week, Executive Editor Dean Baquet bluntly conceded the Times’ preoccupation with the Trump/Russia saga, explaining that “we built our newsroom to cover one story.” But Robert Mueller’s milquetoast report and subsequent disastrous testimony effectively ended the lunacy of the whole Russia imbroglio. Acknowledging this conundrum, Baquet admitted, “Now we have to regroup.” [...] But Donald Trump showed up uninvited to their soiree. Through his brawling style and communications savvy, he diminishes their influence and threatens their cozy perches. Through social media, raucous rallies and humor, he speaks above and around them, the ultimate media disruptor. Since Nov. 8, 2016, they have assured themselves that our electoral triumph would be undone, first by the Russian charade, and now by a false narrative of racism. But in place of their three R’s of resistance, Russia, and racism, they should become better acquainted with a fourth R … re-election.
Matt Barrett wrote: » At this point I think the only way America has a chance of being great again is if Trump is kicked out of office
Igotadose wrote: » Feel free to start another thread. There's a convenient forum called "Conspiracy Theories" you can use. This thread's the Trump impeachment thread - I brought up the AP story as it's very relevant - Trump's cabinet, Ukraine, energy, etc.
Junkyard Tom wrote: » Trump is a symptom not the disease.
Veritas Libertas wrote: » "A Political Opponent"- Biden is not the democratic nominee and it is unlikely he will be, Warren is the odds on favourite. "There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me." This is Trump's statements that confirms he used taxpayer funds as leverage to attack Biden? You see if you want to impeach Trump for attacking a political rival, at least get his political rival correct.... WARREN. But since he asked for an investigation into Biden, it warrants the question; is this investigation based on anything, or is it completely made up? If there is nothing about Biden... then it would look like Trump is trying to dig up dirt. But if Biden has done something untowards it certainly lowers the 'crime' committed by Trump. To dismiss this information as conspiracy and an 'open and shut case' is a sure fire case of Trump Delusion Syndrome.
The Phantom Jipper wrote: » This is an absurd response, even by Boards standards. Trump is being impeached because soliciting information from a foreign country is illegal. There isn't an exemption because he solicited information on someone who wasn't the bookies favourite.
notobtuse wrote: » Sorry, but wrong. Trump, in asking for help from Ukraine and China, was looking for help with fighting corruption, not politically motivated, which is completely legal.
notobtuse wrote: » The Phantom Jipper wrote: » This is an absurd response, even by Boards standards. Trump is being impeached because soliciting information from a foreign country is illegal. There isn't an exemption because he solicited information on someone who wasn't the bookies favourite. Sorry, but wrong. Trump, in asking for help from Ukraine and China, was looking for help with fighting corruption, not politically motivated, which is completely legal.
The Phantom Jipper wrote: » It's peculiar that the witnesses to his fight against corruption have been called traitors for talking about it, and he has alluded to them getting the death penalty. You'd think they'd be getting a medal for alerting us all to his good work.
Matt Barrett wrote: » Using foreign powers to try mount a mud slinging campaign on an elected American citizen for personal gain. Using the mechanics of the office of President to strong arm an ally into investigating a political opponent. Calling in China to investigate a political opponent. China :rolleyes:
Matt Barrett wrote: » So the U.S. is in distress? Asking China to help and strong arming Ukraine who are fending off attacks by Putin? There is zero evidence on the Biden's. The above is fact. Your country is a shambles.
The Phantom Jipper wrote: » Taking your argument at face value, you seem to be saying that Trump should be impeached if he had sought dirt on the favourite in the race. Are you aware that at the time of the call that this person was Biden? A Fox News poll the day before the call had Biden 18% ahead in the Democrat race, and 10% ahead versus Trump. Even by your own silly made up standard, you think he should be impeached.
Outlaw Pete wrote: » Biden is not above the law and while I don't think Trump should be publically saying he thinks Biden and his son are corrupt (although the Nikelback tweet was funny) there is absolutely nothing wrong with a POTUS asking the president of the Ukraine to investigate reports of corruption involving both their countries, and especially so when someone who was a member of the last administration has in the interim spoke publicly about how when they were Vice-President they threatened to withhold $1billion in approved US aid from that country unless they got rid of one of their prosecutors. On the contrary, such a president would be negligent in my opinion, and I have zero doubt that Obama would have had the full support of democrats (and liberals alike) if in the run up to the 2012 election there had been a leak from a Bush holdover in the White House that Obama had requested that the Attorney General investigate Dick Cheney in response to footage surfacing of him saying that he used $1billion in US aid to have a prosecutor of another country fired and also making comments which suggested that Bush was okay with him doing so.
notobtuse wrote: » Unfortunately for those who comment without knowledge, if an impeachment trial takes place in the Senate, everything is on the table and Trump's lawyers can bring everything I noted into play. Thought… If you were worried that you might soon be revealed as illegally partaking in leaks, wouldn’t it make sense to call yourself a whistleblower to obtain certain safeguards and get yourself a lawyer?
The Whistleblower Protection Act of 1989, 5 U.S.C. 2302(b)(8)-(9), Pub.L. 101-12 as amended, is a United States federal law that protects federal whistleblowers who work for the government and report the possible existence of an activity constituting a violation of law, rules, or regulations, or mismanagement, gross waste of funds, abuse of authority or a substantial and specific danger to public health and safety. A federal agency violates the Whistleblower Protection Act if agency authorities take (or threaten to take) retaliatory personnel action against any employee or applicant because of disclosure of information by that employee or applicant
