risteard7 wrote: » Stop supporting the GAA until it's fair game, simple as that.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » A GPO is different to a GDA though?
Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: » I do think there are valid questions about funding in the GAA. MayoAreMagic is not asking them.
MayoAreMagic wrote: » Not particularly. Im comfortable in the knowledge that mayo had the best county team in the country in the mid 2010s. Dublin are not a county team. They are a financially doped provincial side. Only a fool would take their financial five in a row seriously or count any of those wins as meaningful. History will treat the period from 2013 on with derision and scorn, you cant see it coming because you are too caught up in your own hubris. Id much rather mayos record to be honest.
Bonniedog wrote: » It is a nice honour. Surprisingly few sports people have been awarded it. Heffo, Brian O'Driscoll, John Giles, Ronnie Delaney. Think that's all. None of the councillors who were part of the successful attempt to remove flags and banners had the courage to vote against. No doubt they will also be there on Sunday trying to bask in the glow. I can see this Lord Mayor trying to take over the whole thing. His tweets slagging the Kerry mayor were fkn infantile. He must think we are all stupid.
Mr. Incognito wrote: » The only proper option is to turn off the cash and allocate it to counties where it is needed
dunnerc wrote: » 100% agreed ref funding , also think home games for Dublin needs to be addressed, but splitting Dublin is not the way to go .
beggars_bush wrote: » Dublin are now a province, recognised by the GAA Funded as such, from central GAA They have a bigger sponsorship deal than the GAA have themselves They should be in the Railway Cup
gaffer91 wrote: » The financial doping/ population/ home advantages are much bigger advantages to Dublin currently than the provincials are to Kerry (or ever have been). The provincials can be done away with- Dublin will still have to be split. The provincials only ever help in qualifying for the All-Ireland semi final/ quarters/ super 8s anyway- Dublin's unfair advantages benefit them for all games. I would be as quick- I'm can see things in an unbiased way, unlike yourself. The provincials can be done away with as above if that is your concern. No, my primary motivation is to create a fair and level competition- I bear no animosity towards Dublin. Again, Kerry don't have the same unfair advantages that Dublin have e.g financial doping, home advantage, population. Those are the reasons Dublin must be split, not just the current dominance. We can have a proper conversation once you accept the principle that splitting Dublin only is necessary because of these unfair advantages.
MayoAreMagic wrote: » If you do that you stop kids getting to play. To get higher standards and develop the game we need more playing, not less. Now some counties are probably close enough to being maxed out on their potential, give or take. Monaghan, kerry, mayo, tyrone and donegal come to mind. Obviously they can have good crops of players and still make plenty marginal gains, but in general, they have no massive steps to take in their development. But others are not, and we are definitely missing a trick, in fact probably a few tricks, when populations of circa 130 odd thousand can get to the level they are at, while dublin, who have over 10 times that figure are only getting to a, relative to the figures at play, slightly higher level. There is potentially so much more there. That is the funny thing, we kinda laud dublin for their achievements, but if you showed the setup to a neutral observer, with no knowledge of the thing, they would probably consider dublin to be a bit of a basket case, with one third of the population and yet only able to field one team.
MayoAreMagic wrote: » Well looking at the facts, it seems to be the best conclusion for all concerned. Ok dublin fans mightnt be happy, but when the dust settled, they would still have a team with a massive player base and a population of 5-6 times that of the likes of kerry and mayo. Like if you look at the players from the northside of dublin in the team today, that is one hell of a team, and it would challenge next year, undoubtedly. So nobody is really getting shafted there, and the dub fans are getting far better treatment in that scenario, than everyone elses fans, and indeed, players, are getting in the current one. Can you make a suggestion for a superior option for all concerned? blanch152 suggestion below , cheers blanch well said. You can't fix a competition by nobbling the best team. Splitting Brazil for the World Cup would only make the other big countries - Germany, Argentina - more likely to win. It would do nothing for the rest of the world. Similarly, the attempts to put splitting Dublin on the agenda don't come from the Wicklows and Antrims of this world, they come from the Mayos and Kerrys who are bitterly envious of the Dubs success and want it for their own county. The only genuine people on this are the ones who would be prepared to rip up tradition, split the most successful counties (Kerry and Dublin), amalgamate others and create a level field. Until that principle is accepted, it can clearly be seen that you and others are acting only out of naked self-interest for your own county.
blanch152 wrote: » It is not possible to take you seriously when you push an agenda of splitting Dublin yet pepper your posts with snide backhanded compliments to Dublin, while refusing to acknowledge that they are a truly great football team and twist things to present them as underachieving.
MayoAreMagic wrote: » Well that is the thing. They tried and couldnt do it, hence bertie's bailout. There is an awful lot of revisionism with dublin these days. The whole john horan volunteers spiel being a good example. Their volunteers failed to promote the game to the level other volunteers were doing, that was the problem in the first place. That isnt trying to be critical, it is just the way it went and maybe they needed help as regards working in a city etc, but bottom line, it is what ended up happening. It was unfortunate, you live and learn. But this thing where guys turn around and say that their volunteers are the reason they are successful, and not the shedloads of extra cash, is a bit rich. It is unnecessarily inflammatory truth be told, to the taxpayers whose money actually was the thing that made the difference.
dunnerc wrote: » blanch152 suggestion below , cheers blanch well said. You can't fix a competition by nobbling the best team. Splitting Brazil for the World Cup would only make the other big countries - Germany, Argentina - more likely to win. It would do nothing for the rest of the world. Similarly, the attempts to put splitting Dublin on the agenda don't come from the Wicklows and Antrims of this world, they come from the Mayos and Kerrys who are bitterly envious of the Dubs success and want it for their own county. The only genuine people on this are the ones who would be prepared to rip up tradition, split the most successful counties (Kerry and Dublin), amalgamate others and create a level field. Until that principle is accepted, it can clearly be seen that you and others are acting only out of naked self-interest for your own county.
socruel wrote: » What reason would you attribute for Mayo's 48 provincial titles compared to Leitrim and Sligo meagre haul ? What steps would you propose to address this imbalance ?
MayoAreMagic wrote: » This is the problem. What I said is completely factual and not snide at all, but you just view it as picking on you. You are too precious about this thing to offer objective analysis. Can you not see that one team having 10 times the resources of the next successful team, and there not being a huge amount between them on the playing field, is clearly quite wasteful of 900% of resources? It is simple logic, no need to be so b*tth*rt over it. I have no problem stating the mayo team as we knew it is probably finished. If someone says that to me in a reasoned way, thet arent being snide. It is just the reality. Why cant you admit issues around dublin?
dunnerc wrote: » MayoAreMagic wrote: » Well looking at the facts, it seems to be the best conclusion for all concerned. Ok dublin fans mightnt be happy, but when the dust settled, they would still have a team with a massive player base and a population of 5-6 times that of the likes of kerry and mayo. Like if you look at the players from the northside of dublin in the team today, that is one hell of a team, and it would challenge next year, undoubtedly. So nobody is really getting shafted there, and the dub fans are getting far better treatment in that scenario, than everyone elses fans, and indeed, players, are getting in the current one. Can you make a suggestion for a superior option for all concerned? blanch152 suggestion below , cheers blanch well said. You can't fix a competition by nobbling the best team. Splitting Brazil for the World Cup would only make the other big countries - Germany, Argentina - more likely to win. It would do nothing for the rest of the world. Similarly, the attempts to put splitting Dublin on the agenda don't come from the Wicklows and Antrims of this world, they come from the Mayos and Kerrys who are bitterly envious of the Dubs success and want it for their own county. The only genuine people on this are the ones who would be prepared to rip up tradition, split the most successful counties (Kerry and Dublin), amalgamate others and create a level field. Until that principle is accepted, it can clearly be seen that you and others are acting only out of naked self-interest for your own county. Splitting or amalgamating will never be the answer. Harsh reality is some counties will rarely and in some instances never be able to compete consistently for Sam/Liam. Tiered system is the long term answer where teams will compete at their level but also be given the opportunity to rise through the ranks to compete at a higher level if they are able. Main issue is the GAA need to ensure any lower division is given the exposure it is needed to ensure it is not lost into the shadows of the GAA. Equal TV/media exposure. Funding needs to be reviewed and more transparency from the GAA as to how/why it is distributed. The same way the GAA invested in inner city parts of Dublin the same investment is needed in rural Ireland to stop the decline in player numbers leading to club amalgamations. I have spoken about Dublin and Croke Park but there is no long tem or short term solution to it so it will have to remain.
MayoAreMagic wrote: » I have already offered steps to address it. What steps would you suggest to address their population and funding difference to dublin?
Happyilylost wrote: » dunnerc wrote: » Splitting or amalgamating will never be the answer. Harsh reality is some counties will rarely and in some instances never be able to compete consistently for Sam/Liam. Tiered system is the long term answer where teams will compete at their level but also be given the opportunity to rise through the ranks to compete at a higher level if they are able. Main issue is the GAA need to ensure any lower division is given the exposure it is needed to ensure it is not lost into the shadows of the GAA. Equal TV/media exposure. Funding needs to be reviewed and more transparency from the GAA as to how/why it is distributed. The same way the GAA invested in inner city parts of Dublin the same investment is needed in rural Ireland to stop the decline in player numbers leading to club amalgamations. I have spoken about Dublin and Croke Park but there is no long tem or short term solution to it so it will have to remain. AH here your making to much sense lol.....:D
dunnerc wrote: » Splitting or amalgamating will never be the answer. Harsh reality is some counties will rarely and in some instances never be able to compete consistently for Sam/Liam. Tiered system is the long term answer where teams will compete at their level but also be given the opportunity to rise through the ranks to compete at a higher level if they are able. Main issue is the GAA need to ensure any lower division is given the exposure it is needed to ensure it is not lost into the shadows of the GAA. Equal TV/media exposure. Funding needs to be reviewed and more transparency from the GAA as to how/why it is distributed. The same way the GAA invested in inner city parts of Dublin the same investment is needed in rural Ireland to stop the decline in player numbers leading to club amalgamations. I have spoken about Dublin and Croke Park but there is no long tem or short term solution to it so it will have to remain.
dunnerc wrote: » What steps would you suggest to address the population difference of Galway 258,000 v Sligo 64,000 . Roscommon 65,000 and Leitrim 32,000 ?
Floppybits wrote: » Probably send players from Dublin who are inter county standard but not breaking into the Dublin Panel to these counties. Dublin could be a feeder to the other counties.
Strumms wrote: » He’ll address it, by ignoring it. Also ignoring the number of Dublin clubs, players etc that any funding needs to cover, ignoring that all players and management in the senior setup are either in full time employment or studying. So called professionalism eh...
Happyilylost wrote: » dunnerc wrote: » Splitting or amalgamating will never be the answer. Harsh reality is some counties will rarely and in some instances never be able to compete consistently for Sam/Liam. Tiered system is the long term answer where teams will compete at their level but also be given the opportunity to rise through the ranks to compete at a higher level if they are able. Main issue is the GAA need to ensure any lower division is given the exposure it is needed to ensure it is not lost into the shadows of the GAA. Equal TV/media exposure. Funding needs to be reviewed and more transparency from the GAA as to how/why it is distributed. The same way the GAA invested in inner city parts of Dublin the same investment is needed in rural Ireland to stop the decline in player numbers leading to club amalgamations. I have spoken about Dublin and Croke Park but there is no long tem or short term solution to it so it will have to remain. But that harsh reality was also the case before dublin got all that cash to change that harsh reality. Split dublin and the gaa is in a great position. You could have 6-7 teams capable of winning the all ireland and leinster gets a new lease of life. I get you mightnt like it, but it is hard to deny that it is a move that would reinvigorate the sport. An honest question - how many of these procession all irelands do dublin need to win before you would admit that there could be a serious problem for the sport? Thet already have 7 out of 9. If they win the next 2 out of 3? 3 out of 4? 5 out of 5? How flawed would that make this cyclical argument? Would you still push it? How about the golden generation? Reduced to nonsense at that point surely? But yet, some still claim that kerry should be split also, which is even more ludicrous.
MayoAreMagic wrote: » Happyilylost wrote: » But that harsh reality was also the case before MAYO AND GALWAY got all that cash to change that harsh reality. Split MAYO AND GALWAY and the CONNACHT gaa is in a great position. You could have 5 teams capable of winning the CONNACHT TITLE . I get you mightnt like it, but it is hard to deny that it is a move that would reinvigorate the sport IN CONNACHT An honest question - how many of these procession CONNACHT TITLES do GALWAY AND MAYO need to win before you would admit that there could be a serious problem for the sport? Thet already have 94 out of 123. If they win the next 2 out of 3? 3 out of 4? 5 out of 5? How flawed would that make this cyclical argument? Would you still push it? How about the golden generation? Reduced to nonsense at that point surely? But yet, some still claim that DUBLIN should be split also, which is even more ludicrous. Made a few amendments.
Happyilylost wrote: » But that harsh reality was also the case before MAYO AND GALWAY got all that cash to change that harsh reality. Split MAYO AND GALWAY and the CONNACHT gaa is in a great position. You could have 5 teams capable of winning the CONNACHT TITLE . I get you mightnt like it, but it is hard to deny that it is a move that would reinvigorate the sport IN CONNACHT An honest question - how many of these procession CONNACHT TITLES do GALWAY AND MAYO need to win before you would admit that there could be a serious problem for the sport? Thet already have 94 out of 123. If they win the next 2 out of 3? 3 out of 4? 5 out of 5? How flawed would that make this cyclical argument? Would you still push it? How about the golden generation? Reduced to nonsense at that point surely? But yet, some still claim that DUBLIN should be split also, which is even more ludicrous.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » I suggested that before 4/5 Dub players should be allowed to play for other counties. Like the Irish basketball clubs used to do with a quota of American players. People did not seem to like the suggestion though.
socruel wrote: » MayoAreMagic wrote: » Made a few amendments. I take it that means you dont have any suggestions to fix the problems yourself... The hurler on the ditch effort. Also, I will give you a heads up, galway and mayo are already split...
MayoAreMagic wrote: » Made a few amendments.
