padd b1975 wrote: » Arranged marriages-while not ideal-are definitely better than that sinister/rapey "grabbing" ritual they've been known to engage in.
El_Bee wrote: » Selling women off like cattle is not better than anything, incredible to believe this is acceptable in a western european democracy in 2019
padd b1975 wrote: Arranged marriages among my parents generation were pretty much the norm to be honest.
Plumbthedepths wrote: » Really? My parents are in their 70's no arranged marriage, this also goes for all my aunt's/uncles. My grand parents and great grandparents same thing no arranged marriage. Never heard anyone male this claim before. What age are your parents?
tayto lover wrote: » I’ve heard it said that Travellers don’t want their children receiving a full education because an educated Travellers might turn their back on their culture.
A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: » Not sure about arranged marriages, but marriages of convenience were definitely encouraged within families, right up to my parents' generation. My Dad's family gave the impression they were loaded, not knowing my Mums family were doing the same thing. Both married in a fit of excitement and then discovered either one had anything in the bank! Still had a long and happy marriage! But certainly when you go further back in history, between the mid-18th century up until the Famine era, arranged marriages would have been far more explicit. (it would have been fairly pointless in Penal times as there were very few Catholic estates, and even those Catholics rejected Gaelic norms by then)
padd b1975 wrote: Mid eighties.
Dante7 wrote: Ugh, such a disingenuous debating tactic. Strawman and whataboutery all rolled up into one. Ok, let's go.
Plumbthedepths wrote: » My great grandfather died at the age of 96. Not an arranged marriage and as I said first time I heard the claim on hear. I can only assume your parents are from India tbh.
Dante7 wrote: » Ugh, such a disingenuous debating tactic. Strawman and whataboutery all rolled up into one. Ok, let's go. The pseudo arranged marriages that occurred in the past Ireland, that you referenced. Do you think that practice was ok?
BBFAN wrote: In fairness, that's BS, there were plenty of young women forced to marry local widowers because they the widower had money and the family couldn't afford to feed the young girl.
Plumbthedepths wrote: » Nothing got to do with BS, I have told my families experience. Not an arranged marriage in sight despite the claim by some it was the norm. However it was convenient to some many decades ago but even then people were not inclined to make a marriage between close blood relatives unlike our traveller friends. Doesn't make for healthy outcomes.
Henry Ford III wrote: » This is a truly amazing thread. It just shows how much of an impact travellers have on the community despite their relatively small size as a percentage of the population. Unfortunately much of that impact is negative, and people quite understandably feel quite upset about it. There's also an overwhelmingly negative sentiment towards Margaret Cash and others who choose to sponge off society (the rest of us). It has to be acknowledged that despite all this not all Travellers are bad eggs. It seems that quite a few are however, that they cause a lot of friction, crime and upset wherever they go, and that the good ones don't bother to reign in the bad. I suspect the thread will go on and on..........unless Peter Casey wins an election of course.
donkeykong5 wrote: » Peter Casey for taoiseach....NOW!
Deleted User wrote: My grandparents were an arranged marriage here in rural Tipperary in 1920. She brought a dowry with her. Grandad had a small farm. Two of her sisters used their dowries to sail to America.
BBFAN wrote: So you go from claiming it never happened at all to claiming it never happened in your family?
BBFAN wrote: If not, it's a disgusting remark to make. Actually, it's a disgusting remark to make either way.
A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: » Disingenuous, strawman, whataboutery? Easy with the syllablic word-vomit my friend. I was responding to what I thought was an interesting point, raised by another poster, about the incidence of arranged marriage in Irish history. Not attempting to defend the practice, who would? But it is undeniably a part of our history. I doubt there is any Irish person in this thread who, along the way, wasn't the product of a marriage of convenience in modern Irish history.
Plumbthedepths wrote: » Were your grandparents also first cousins?
BBFAN wrote: » donkeykong5 wrote: » Peter Casey for taoiseach....NOW! You make such intelligent posts I'm shocked that you don't have a huge fanbase.
Plumbthedepths wrote: » Again telling more lies I asked a question. You really are poor at this.
donkeykong5 wrote: » Ah cheers pal. Thanks !
Deleted User wrote: No. You are claiming that arranged marriages didn’t happen in Ireland. I’m giving an example of one that I know WAS arranged. (Actually, my grandmothers sister married my grandads first cousin! I think they were the matchmakers for my grandparents)
BBFAN wrote: You're the one who suggested a posters parents were from India???b
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