CrankyHaus wrote: » I think the thread's longevity is because it presents a microcosm of a number of serious national issues that are rarely presented in such a clear fashion and are ignored, or even silenced, within mainstream media. These issues include: - An entitlement culture that hijacks the welfare state and prevents it from helping people as it should. - A grievance culture that hijacks serious national issues for personal gain at the expense of others. - A media and poverty industry that unquestionably champions criminal scroungers, defames any critics and wilfully avoids any proper scrutiny of the people or issues involved. - The difficulty of solving serious national issues like housing as long the above is not faced up to. - A culture of criminality within parts of Irish society that is ignored by the establishment. The fact that the subject of the thread posts objectionable social media updates of wild variety on a daily basis may be another reason for the thread's longevity but for me at least it's the former. While it's fair to ask about the thread's longevity you have to be well aware that this is a well-worn tactic of those who wish to shut down debate on any topic. "Oh great another dole/public sector/whatever bashing thread" they intone, rather than engaing on the topic.
CrankyHaus wrote: » Fair enough. I can't speak for others on the thread but I tried to answer your question. I think if you read the thread you'll see that it has broadened into a wide-ranging debate that for example in the last few days has discussed the Carrickmines Fire, the inquest, the subsequent PR actions to spin it in favour of a vested interest (with a national paper batting on that interest's behalf) and the dubious validity of comparisons with the Stardust Tragedy. I think broad-ranging debates are one of the things Boards does well.
BBFAN wrote: » It is a fair point though, did anyone try to place blame on the Stardust victims for being drunk which they most probably were given they were in a nightclub?
Grab All Association wrote: » Irony here is a lot of provo types are the ones who form vigilante groups against people like her husband and how they keep mixing up which IRA they “support”. Drug dealing travellers in the midlands/Roscrea/Portlaoise areas are linked to unionists paramilitaries.
Ruraldweller56 wrote: » More of your moralising and hypocracy. This summer, coming to theatres across the country. A struggling single mother, Margaret Cash has always protected her family, her people, herself. One bad decision later and that job is about to get much harder. Kicked onto the streets of South Dublin, Cash is faced with a stark choice...pull off a daring heist at Penny's, or be crushed. Cash just wants her 4eva home. But Niall Boylan, the gubbernerment, Peter Casey, a mob of violent ethno fascists who post on boards.ie and corrupt politicians stand in her way. Most if not all of Ireland seems to be standing in her way. Her only answer is to fight back and take over the city herself. A star studded cast featuring Pat Shortt as Margaret, Goldengirl as John "frog" Ward in 2019s hit motion picture "Cash".
BattleCorp wrote: » Hang on. Travellers who by definition are Catholic are linked to unionist paramilitaries??? I suppose anything is possible but it's a stretch for me to be able to wrap my mind around that one.
Ruraldweller56 wrote: » Is the implication so that someone trained in firesafety should have been living in this halting site? So what like, exactly have you in mind? Should there be a live in fireman or something? Or should there have been one of the people living on the site trained and designated the 'fire safety guy' for the site? Scenario 1 is ridiculous but not out of the realms of the warped mind of your typical Lefty/Liberal/commie type who post on here in her defense. There might be some merit in training one of them, and them being designated site fire officer or something. Thing is it won't be much use if they're putting on chip pans pissed drunk
ohnonotgmail wrote: » their Catholicism is overstated. Particularly when it comes to some of the commandments.
Paddy Cow wrote: » What you have never explained on this thread is HOW the council could've prevented this tragedy. The travellers put in the extra caravan. That's not on the council. The adult travellers were all found to be drunk. That is not on the council. A Traveller left a chip pan on the heat, that is not the fault of the council. If this was a case of faulty wiring causing the accident, then I'd agree that the council are to blame. In this incidence, unfortunately it was adults with too much to drink making silly decisions which lead to loss of life. Please tell us all how fire regulations would have helped adults who were passed out with drink????? If this happened in a council house with settled people it would still be a tragedy but it wouldn't be the fault of the council.
Goldengirl wrote: I never said that it was the council's fault, I said they have a responsibility to ensure adequate fire safety compliance on their sites, housing or halting. God forbid a tragedy like that occurred in a council estate without adequate fire stops etc there would be an outcry. This by the way is said by the inquest jury in their recommendations .I have said this over and over again. Trouble with this thread is posters picking out a phrase or sentence in bold print and replying as if they have read what the original post said in its entirety, while really on,y taking it out of context to suit their own argument. This is happening on Boards more and more and is not being checked or moderated. This thread is ignorant , racist, reactionist trash at it's worst ... Now put that in bold type and attack it/ me as some others have done.
hawkelady wrote: » What are you on about. He is right. If a newspaper said they are travellers , joe Duffy would be roaring crying about the racist comment. Unless a traveller has been convicted of a crime , you won’t hear any news outlet use the word traveller , even though we all bloody know it’s them that’s committing crimes
Plumbthedepths wrote: » Can you explain please how the thread is RACIST?
Kaysen Vast Blueberry wrote: » I can't believe this thread is still going on 4 months after it started. Do people have nothing better to do than worry themselves about Margaret Nash?
punisher5112 wrote: » Any Cash news.....
Goldengirl wrote: » I never said that it was the council's fault, I said they have a responsibility to ensure adequate fire safety compliance on their sites, housing or halting. God forbid a tragedy like that occurred in a council estate without adequate fire stops etc there would be an outcry. This by the way is said by the inquest jury in their recommendations .I have said this over and over again. Trouble with this thread is posters picking out a phrase or sentence in bold print and replying as if they have read what the original post said in its entirety, while really on,y taking it out of context to suit their own argument. This is happening on Boards more and more and is not being checked or moderated. This thread is ignorant , racist, reactionist trash at it's worst ... Now put that in bold type and attack it/ me as some others have done.
Thoie wrote: » It's not OK for a halting site, and the council didn't say it was - invariably the council sets things up right, and the residents make changes afterwards. This is the equivalent of the council building a pair of semi-d's, meeting all current regulations. Then you and I move in next door to each other, and decide that we'll knock down the fire barrier between the attics, and build on our own wooden lean-to's across the back of both houses. We'd like electricity in these, so we'll tap into the street light outside, and run cables taped together with sellotape through a few puddles. Then, if something happens, we'll claim that the houses provided by the council didn't meet proper standards. However, if someone from the council drops in every week to examine the place, and to insist that we get the attic barriers repaired and knock down the dangerous wooden extensions, we'll claim we're being victimised, have no privacy and that the council should pay to bring things back to regulation standards.
Goldengirl wrote: Anyone can see that this thread uses M.Cash to rant and rail against travellers , who are a distinct ethnic group , whether ye choose to accept that or not, and that is racism. .
Plumbthedepths wrote: » So you can't point out what is RACIST about the thread so, just your opinion. Grand so.
Mad_maxx wrote: » You need to understand the basic point that for liberals, once you have a minority profile, you are a sacred cow, everything else flows from this base point in terns of discussion, on matt Coopers dreadful radio show a fortnight ago, a panel discussion on the weeks events moved to the tinkers who caused havoc in new Zealand, one of the PC bot number 2 on the panel took off and managed to turn the marauding travellers into victims of prejudice on the part of the kiwi press and society, this despite the blatantly obvious glaring fact that new Zealand doesn't have a traveller community and the new Zealanders just naturally reacted to the lawless savages in their midst A narative surrounding travellers exists in the PC Liberal Bible and the media practitioners adhere to the faith fullsomely
Goldengirl wrote: » Anyone can see that this thread uses M.Cash to rant and rail against travellers , who are a distinct ethnic group , whether ye choose to accept that or not, and that is racism. .
Thoie wrote: » Two weeks ago I posted the comment below. If the council have set things up right in the first place (whether that be in an estate, a terrace of houses, or a halting site), how do you propose they account for the foolish actions of individuals afterwards? As in my scenario below, if you and I do something that jeopardises the safety of our council provided homes, how do you suggest the council police that? Let's say money was no object and the council could afford thousands of inspectors - would you be happy to let an inspector into your house every night to make sure you hadn't done anything that could lead to a fire during the night?
Goldengirl wrote: » The Maoris are New Zealand 's ethnic group.
Goldengirl wrote: » Plenty of crime committed in North Dublin city, and it's not traveller related.
Omackeral wrote: » File this one under the Amish category! Travellers are basically Maoris now. In fairness, the haka them.
Gravelly wrote: » I believe the young people call that whataboutery.
Goldengirl wrote: » What is your point here, difficult to understand ? Also you took mine out of context . What's wrong ? I answered your question. But it's obvious you don't know how to respond.
CrankyHaus wrote: » Surprised she didn't post this :https://www.thejournal.ie/readme/opinion-temporary-halting-sites-are-unsafe-and-there-have-been-three-more-fires-since-carrickmines-4462852-Jan2019/ .
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