Flyingsnowball wrote: » I’d imagine earning more than I’m earning now. Just for paying his union fees on time every week.
Roger Hassenforder wrote: » Pick a Dept. Lets say Nurses, its topical, surely it was on your mind when you created the post. Do you just clear out the nurses? What about the administrative staff? Other staff like doctors and radiographers. Outsource the lab support (cervical cancer scandal anyone?). Where do you stop? Privatise the entire health service? How and how much will service users pay? Theres dead weight in both public and private sector. BTW. im not entirely against privatization!
Roger Hassenforder wrote: » Ah The nub of it
Flyingsnowball wrote: » I should be ashamed that I don’t think it’s right that a postman earns more than me from the tax pot I pay into to service the state? A job for life no matter what? Pension? If I get let go tomorrow jobbridge will be hassling me with more tax payers money? The nub of it indeed. Never mind the lads sleeping on streets and mattresses in shared room with drug adicts smoking gear in the bed beside you. Nah give the tax money to the postman.
Flyingsnowball wrote: » But I’m earning less this year than I did last year because my taxes have gone up. My taxes pay nurses wages. They are getting a pay rise. They earn more than me and I can garantee you I go home more tired than 90 per cent of them each day. If all the people in my trade headed off to aus there would be outbreaks of all sorts of diseases. Nobody cares about us. Bus drivers will be next up. Then gaurds etc etc. Same every year. Don’t worry they can just raise my taxes.
noodler wrote: » The numbers employed in the public sector are above pre crisis rates. So not really largely done at all.
Flyingsnowball wrote: » You can’t just privatize the whole health sector in one go. Obviously piece by piece. But say they put all the useless staff in one ward in Beaumont. Then sacked them all and paid a private company what that ward costs to run and gave them standards to adhere to with financial penalties. The private company then advertised these jobs at 50 cent more an hour and the media got behind it with a getting rid of the deadweight factor. Are you saying the private company wouldn’t perform better? Say the union striked. Say the government sacked another ward full of staff and privatized that and said they are going to do the same next week and every week until people got back in their box and put a 600 per cent tax on union fees. Long term the average joe would benefit if he survived the first few weeks.
stimpson wrote: » It give flexibility though. A friends husband worked as an IT contractor in a government dept. He changed toner in printers and nothing else. The reason being that the guy whose job it was to change typewriter ribbons had refused to do it and now comes in with the Indo and sits in the canteen all day. I believe Dublin Bus still have conductors on the books who do similar.
Atoms for Peace wrote: » I watched a documentary about what happened when the Detroit police was outsourced to an evil corporation.
James Bond Junior wrote: » What documentary was that?
beauf wrote: » Most of the public sector has outsourced a lot its work to the private sector. So what you asking for is largely already been done where they can. Except the contractors and private sector treat it like a gravy train, and it ends up costing more money then it saves.https://www.thejournal.ie/midwives-nurses-4309347-Oct2018/ Social housing outsourced to the private rental market.
troyzer wrote: » Over half of my public sector agency has outsourced contractors. Many of these hired on a legally questionable "self-employed" basis. There's more privatisation in the public sector already than you might think.
Ush1 wrote: » How so? Huge number of contractors are self employed.
Flyingsnowball wrote: » For a little more than a postman’s wages? Of course they would have a lad there at 5 am the next morning. My postman used to turn up whenever he wanted. He drank pints with whiskey chasers down the local everyday. 4 of them. Some weeks you got all your post on one day. Look at the success of all these private delivery crowds when the public delivery crowd were operating at a loss for years when they were the only show in town. We still have to subsidize the postmens wages though with our taxes.
troyzer wrote: » I personally don't understand how I sit in an office next to someone doing EXACTLY the same job as me, working the same hours, reporting to the same boss, carry out the same tasks and yet somehow I'm an employee and they're self employed.
Ush1 wrote: » There shouldn't be any legal issue. Very common in a lot of industries. There is pros and cons of being a contractor vs being a full time member of staff and likewise pros and cons for the company hiring. The role may be temporary or project based in nature, covering someone's leave etc...
troyzer wrote: » It's not. One of the guys has been here for eight years on a self employed basis. He is an employee for all intents and purposes.
Ush1 wrote: » But they aren't the same. Sure I sit next to a guy who's a contractor on the same site 16 years. He wouldn't get redundancy or anything like a full time employee. Pension contributions, insurance, sick pay etc... He could be technically dropped and the contract not renewed, unlike staff. As I said, pros and cons.
troyzer wrote: » That's my whole point though. He is effectively an employee but gets none of the benefits and protections.
buried wrote: » Yeah man just Privatize everything just like Thatcher did over in the UK back in the 80's. Really makes the whole place such a better total f**king community barren, Grim, Grey $hithole. Then, when the people start realising just what a f**king Grim Grey $hithole it has become from their own governments policies of privatization and share holder stock market Cocksucking, sure just blame the dastardly EU.
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