kuro68k wrote: » The British government is going to take it right to the cliff edge and hope that someone else compromises. Of course they have their excuses already lined up if no-one does, only real question is who they will blame.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » Soubry and Buckland tearing into each other on Sky. Thought Buckland was going to headbutt her at one stage.
intellectual dosser wrote: » I dont think Remain winning the second time round is a slam dunk. I'd expect the youth to come out in force and vote to stay, but a lot of the older population will double down just in spite. Imagine Remain won by 52%? If that result was just accepted by the government there would be riots. Don't get me wrong, I want them to stay, just don't think its as simple as a second referendum.
robinph wrote: » She is just time wasting now. But other than being scared of a few extreme Brexit heads who believe that voting on something is undemocratic I can't see what is to lose by having another referendum on the current deal. Yes some politicians who have been rabbiting on about it not going back to the people will look a very tiny bit silly for 30 seconds, but these are the same people who were telling everyone that remaining was the only sensible choice before the first referendum so it's not like they don't have history of changing their minds.
ancapailldorcha wrote: » kuro68k wrote: » What the hell is May doing? Just wasting more time before the meaningful vote, running down the clock. I think she's just trying to get the withdrawal agreement through Parliament. Knowing that it'll fail, she can't just have the vote which leaves her in a sort of stalemate. Unless of course she opts for what her predecessor did and passes the buck to the electorate.
kuro68k wrote: » What the hell is May doing? Just wasting more time before the meaningful vote, running down the clock.
judeboy101 wrote: » It is law, the Catholic relief act. So that's your first incorrect statement. The monarch appoints one and only one member of the hoc, the pm. Ministers advise the monarch only on instruction of pm. Appointments to Anglican hierarchy have to be made by pm, cannot be delegated as pm has to sign off on ALL appointments. You really need to do some research on british law and the way their system works. The monarchs power is exercised through the pm, you can't have another person with decision making power of appointment as that would render the pm and ergo the monarch refundant
Peregrinus wrote: » This isn't correct. Each minister advises the queen directly in relation to their respective functions. If advice on church matters was considered to come from the cabinet, then no Catholic could be a cabinet member, but that's nonsense; there have been many Catholic members of cabinet. By law, a Catholic cannot advice the monarch on church appointments. (There may be a similar legal ban on Jews advising on church appointments; I'm not sure about this.) But this doesn't mean that Catholics (or Jews) cannot be Prime Minister; just that a PM who is a Catholic (or a Jew) cannot advise on church appointments. But it's convention, not law, which dictates that this advise comes from the Prime Minister; constitutionally, the Queen can take this advice from any minister who enjoys the confidence of Parliament. So if the occason ever arises the business of "advising on church appointments" can be transferred from the Prime Minister's portfolio to that of another minister who is not a Catholic (or a Jew). Tl;dr: A Catholic Prime Minister cannot advise the monarch on church appointments. But a Catholic PM can appoint a non-Catholic minister to do so.
Laois_Man wrote: » At least that decent PM would have a decent chance of getting a deal through parliament!
judeboy101 wrote: » Pm advises monarch on Anglican hierarchy, Catholics can't do that, pm can't delegate that responsibility therefore Catholics can't be pm
theguzman wrote: I think Jeremy Corbyn wants the UK to have the hard brexit so he can implement his own hard left policies like mass nationalisation and he sees himself as a bit of a modern Clement Atlee, he only half heartedly supported remain and his hardcore base of poor working class tended to back brexit as they have been destroyed by freedom of movement.
McGiver wrote: The factions can be summarised as follows: SNP - challenging Corbyn to call no confidence vote, Tories are bad, advancing the Scottish cause Plaid Cymru - pointing out damage to the Wales under any Brexit scenario, asking Labour to call for a no confidence vote DUP - burn the backstop, conspiracy theories, delusions, calling for a hardest of Brexits, talking about union which no one else mentions Lib Dems - pointing at the deadlock and impossibility to deliver Brexit, calling for second referendum Tory A - people voted leave, we have to get on with it, solution not offered Tory B - May needs to renegotiate the deal Tory C - May can't get anything renegotiated, anything she brings back is worthless, solution not offered Tory D - let's be pragmatic, this is the only deal we will get, so we need to compromise Tory E - Tory D + threat of Corbyn government Tory F - let's be pragmatic, the HoC can't agree on anything, let's put the matter back to the people (Grieve) Labour A - people voted leave, we have to get on with it, solution not offered Labour B - Tories are in shambles, let's put Brexit back to the people Labour C - pointing out poverty, public services cut, May's deal doesn't help with any of the these, solution not offered Labour D - May's deal is bad for jobs, she needs to renegotiate Labour E - May's deal is bad jobs, she needs to make way for me to renegotiate (Corbyn)
judeboy101 wrote: » Pm can't delegate it or advise under advisement. Catholic relief act is still in force in uk and explicitly forbids anyone giving advise to monarch who is Catholic on matters religious. As the monarch does not appoint any other member of parlinent to office, delegating would to another member or non member would invalidate the position of pm as the advisor of the hoc. Imagine a catholic pm having to step out of a cabinet meeting while the rest discuss in private. The cabinet have zero legal power without the pm.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » There is no constitutional barrier to a Catholic becoming PM. On the question of such advice, they can delegate or advise under advisement.
RobMc59 wrote: » Part of Her title(which is a bit long winded!)is "defender of the faith".
listermint wrote: » The people that believe that guff never worked or wanted to on the first place. Benefit Street..
Peregrinus wrote: » The Queen always acts on the advice of ministers, including in relation to her role in the Church of England. It's convention, not law, that the minister who advises her in relation to church matters is the Prime Minister. There is a law forbidding Catholics from advising the monarch in relation to church matters. I think the workaround, if there were ever to be a Catholic Prime Minister, would be for another minister, not a Catholic, to take on the function of advising the monarch on church matters - e.g. the Lord Chancellor.
Peregrinus wrote: » They haven't been destroyed by freedom of movement. But to the extend that they think or can be led to think that they have, that accounts for their support for Brexit.
zapitastas wrote: » In what way have the working class been destroyed by the freedom of movement under the single market. Would like to see a peer reviewed study on that
theguzman wrote: » I think Jeremy Corbyn wants the UK to have the hard brexit so he can implement his own hard left policies like mass nationalisation and he sees himself as a bit of a modern Clement Atlee, he only half heartedly supported remain and his hardcore base of poor working class tended to back brexit as they have been destroyed by freedom of movement.
Jim2007 wrote: » And you got this from their constitution, the unwritten one, the one they make up as they go along, combined with a bit of interference from the Supreme Court/Law Lords from time to time. What is the legal basis for you assertion? What case are you referring to? Or is it just your opinion?
Deleted User wrote: » Tony Connelly believes the EU is not interested. Their position may have even hardened on the idea once TM's survival odds improved during the day.https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2018/1212/1016862-eu-summit-brexit/
tuxy wrote: » If May realised she wasn't a leader and never went for leader of her party they would have Andrea Leadsom become PM. How would she have fared in negotiations with the EU?
