kuro68k wrote: » The British government is going to take it right to the cliff edge and hope that someone else compromises. Of course they have their excuses already lined up if no-one does, only real question is who they will blame.
devnull wrote: » You can't have a populist vote and then start saying peoples votes don't count because they didn't vote the way you wanted them to. They knew the rules before the contest took place. If we're going down that road, then we can start excluding people who voted for Brexit as well, but Mogg would cry blue murder if we started doing that saying that everyone has a vote and to exclude them is undemocratic.
Tell me how wrote: » Enzokk wrote: » Now I will not pretend to know what is meant by independent, non ministers? They are not holding a position such as a ministry, secretary or envoy. Those who hold such positions receive additional wages and the argument being used is that they would not vote against her because they would be expected to resign from their position and therefore would lose the jobs and the wages.
Enzokk wrote: » Now I will not pretend to know what is meant by independent, non ministers?
Enzokk wrote: » I should have clarified, the point he has is not that they won but that the PM is weak. Of those not dependent on her for their job in government less than half voted in favour of her.
awec wrote: » The Labour plan is literally just "get another deal". The thing that's been ruled out numerous times. The UK is heading for a crisis. No deal is a disaster, the government's plan is going down the toilet and the opposition have nothing to offer instead.
seamus wrote: » That's not how party politics work. You toe the party line or you leave. She only needs to find someone to replace the DUP. As much as the SNP hate them, Sturgeon might be the one to turn to, in exchange for assurances about Scottish interests.
markodaly wrote: » They are hopelessly divided, and that is just the Tory party. Look across the bench at Labour, they can't even agree themselves what deal they would try and negotiate. The tories are going through this cathartic experience now, Labour are holding off the inevitable as it will be their turn soon to put up or shut up on what Brexit they want.
devnull wrote: » So my argument to him is if the Prime Minister is week then the mandate for Brexit is weak and add to that the fact that there was foreign money involved and people were misled and electoral rules were broken means there is a lot of valid reasons to hold a second referendum. If he argues otherwise then he's basically saying that a vote is only binding when it suits him and not when it doesn't which is the kind of hypocritical rich boy attitude the likes of him has. You can't say there is a strong mandate for something when they get just over 50% and then argue when there is almost 65% for something else that isn't a strong mandate.
hotmail.com wrote: » Lame duck Prime Minister if there ever was one. She may not last the week.
tuxy wrote: Why what's going to happen to her this week that's any worse than any other?
hotmail.com wrote: » Britain, the great empire, can't have a lame duck as it's leader.
markodaly wrote: » Maybe in your own neck of the woods and head, but the Tories hold 13 Westminister seats there, that is more than Labour and the Lib Dems combined. So clearly not all of Scotland hated the Tories, as quite a lot of them vote for them.
devnull wrote: » Mogg Interview here if anyone hasn't seen it:https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1072972511053275136?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1072972511053275136&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.sky.com%2Fstory%2Flive-may-on-the-brink-of-a-leadership-challenge-11578479 Everytime I watch it I shudder to think of what he will do to the UK and he's so far up himself it's unreal. I honestly think he is trying to create as much chaos as possible for a no deal, with his European passports and vested interests in this, people like him are just out for themselves. The ERG will go down in history as one of the worst things to happen to the Tory party.
Kermit.de.frog wrote: » Rees Mogg visiting the peasant land. Quite funny. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIt3PM5DF_c
seamus wrote: » I'm glad I wasn't the only one to think like this. It's a genuinely scary time for British politics. Frustration that May is untouchable could cause some of the more radicalised Brexiteers to think about doing the worst.
J Mysterio wrote: » If you think about it, 200 votes for her is almost 200 votes for her stewardship and thus, by extension, the Brexit negotiations, assuming she can get a new bow on the deal. The government now have a rough idea of what numbers she might possibly hope for and how many they might have to convince in the next weeks. Winning a confidence vote is often a strange boost. I don't think labour will call a vote in parliament right now and they might let this trundle on till the next meaningful vote at the end of January. May will have to keep pushing the unity line - for Britain and the UK! - and try to draw in so many from Labour and the others as she can. Its alarming to see how so many UK commentators seem to be talking about the DUP at the moment, increasing their relevance. Many elements in the UK clearly want to pressure the EU to screw Ireland, despite the fact that the EU have been steadfast in their support of us. Is there any way for May or the EU to placate the DUP? I don't think so. For some reason 'the backstop' is now the focus of why the deal is 'bad' for the UK.
10000maniacs wrote: » She still has to convince 117 Tories and 10 DUP MP's to vote with her to get the meaningful vote through. A legally binding "sunset clause" on the backstop will help, but I don't think it's nearly enough to swing it.
awec wrote: The UK is heading for a crisis. No deal is a disaster, the government's plan is going down the toilet and the opposition have nothing to offer instead.
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