kuro68k wrote: » The British government is going to take it right to the cliff edge and hope that someone else compromises. Of course they have their excuses already lined up if no-one does, only real question is who they will blame.
Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: » you could say the same about 90% of these votes.
did you read the Nice Treaty cover to cover? if you did fair play to ya.
FreudianSlippers wrote: » Uninformed, perhaps; mislead, no. I did. I also discussed it on this website in this forum and explained the changes that were made between the first and second referenda.
Shelga wrote: » Is she actually going to be allowed to delay and delay for another month?
Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: » well as i said fair play to ya, but i didn't. was i misinformed, misled, or uninformed, or lied to? we could open up all those referendums again, and not just the EU ones? don't know about you, but i really feel lied to regarding that whole Gay marraige fiasco.
Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: » the people's vote eh? so the first/only vote was what? must have been aliens, spiritual entities, or holograms who voted in that one? why not have the best of 3? or maybe best of 5?
lawred2 wrote: » wut?
dr.fuzzenstein wrote: » Imagine a train. Imagine that for some reason the line splits and a democratic vote is taken amongst the passengers which way to go and they voted for left. After a short distance it turns out that going left leads to a straight 100 meter plunge off a cliff, but turning right takes them safely to their destination. Is it unreasonable to hold a second vote which will yield a different outcome based on new information that wasn't available at the first vote? I think not. Of course there will always be the ones that will sit with crossed arms and mutter "still think we should have gone right" as the train pulls into the station, but there will always be crazies that would rather plunge 100 meters to their death rather than admit they got it wrong. Humankind has survived because we don't rigidly stick to a course of action once it has been decided, even if it means our doom, but because we have this nifty ability to adapt and adjust to changing circumstances. At the very leats it was voted to go left instead of right and the train got bogged down on the way to the cliff.
A Dub in Glasgo wrote: » That is her intention, to close off a GE or 2nd vote and put an ultimatum to Parliament - this deal or no deal
Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: » we could open up all those referendums again, and not just the EU ones? don't know about you, but i really feel lied to regarding that whole Gay marraige fiasco.
Zubeneschamali wrote: » Feel free to agitate for one - but we both know the reason there will not be a 2nd is because the result would be another crushing win for Yes, and it would be a waste of time. The Brexiteers want to prevent a 2nd referendum because they would lose. They only fluked the 1st one because no-one thought they would win and it seemed a safe protest vote.
Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: » lest we forget many Brits still see Dunkirk as a military victory.
Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: » but Brexiters do not swallow your apocalyptic prediction? as far as they are concerned this choo choo of yours heading to the promised land.
Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: » well as i said fair play to ya, but i didn't. was i misinformed, misled, or uninformed, or lied to?
we could open up all those referendums again, and not just the EU ones?
don't know about you, but i really feel lied to regarding that whole Gay marraige fiasco.
WomanSkirtFan8 wrote: » While also conveniently forgetting that in reality it was actually a tactical retreat from nazi-occupied France at the time.
Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: » Zubeneschamali wrote: » Feel free to agitate for one - but we both know the reason there will not be a 2nd is because the result would be another crushing win for Yes, and it would be a waste of time. The Brexiteers want to prevent a 2nd referendum because they would lose. They only fluked the 1st one because no-one thought they would win and it seemed a safe protest vote. maybe they shouldn't allow those type of people to vote at all, or maybe their votes should be discounted depending on their level of education?
Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: » just when you thought the Brits couldn't look more silly, Treesa is doing the rounds of Euro capitals in a desperate bid to renegotiate the deal. has this woman no self-respect?
Professor Moriarty wrote: » John Major telling it like it is in a speech last night:“...a hard border, now or at the end of a long transition period or at any time would be disastrous. Peace isn’t secure, it never is and any new border would be a focus for the wild men on the fringes to reactivate old disputes and hatreds that should be laid to rest forever.”
seamus wrote: » As we now know, there is no grand plan. No overarching strategy here, no pincer movement that the UK is going to reveal that will prove Brexit was a great idea and things will get better. Given just how absolutely clueless the UK parliament proved themselves to be on the topic of Northern Ireland, it's fair to assume that they are even more clueless about the EU, about what it is, how it works, and why it does what it does. May is on a tour of EU leaders because she genuinely believes that this is how she is going to get the deal amended. It doesn't matter how many times it is explained. The UK parliament doesn't get it. It believes that it is negotiating individually with 27 countries, 25 of whom are subservient to Germany and France. She's in Germany today because she thinks Merkel is in charge of the EU. It's actually that simple - they have a 16 year-old Daily Mail-reader level of comprehension of the EU.
Awesomeness wrote: » I believe remain would win a new referendum but to say the fluked the first one is not correct. You cant fluke a vote. There were a number of factors, brexiteers peddling lies, people taking the result for granted etc. But to say it was fluked is to signify it is unlikely to happen again. It will though if nothing changes. People need to exercise their right to vote. People need to educate themselves. People need to be called on their BS. They may have cheated and lied but it was not by chance
Folkstonian wrote: » Whilst I do think it’s wholly futile for Theresa May to be going back to the continent this late in the day, the EU doesn’t (for now, at least) build its own policies from the ground up. It relies on input and direction from the member states. So while I think it’s pointless now, I don’t know why people scoff at any leader in theory trying to influence the EU’s position by speaking to individual heads of state and having them communicate their positions at the European Council
LuckyLloyd wrote: » I scoff at it because she tried this in the summer and it didn't work. The "divide and conquer" David Davies assumption of going to Berlin rather than Brussels is clearly dead in the water. It's nonsense, and so it is scoffed at - like we can increasingly scoff at the British political institutions paralysed at a moment of self inflicted national crisis.
Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: » i suppose Trump "fluked" his win as well. it seems to me that some of these liberals cant just take a beatin'. my 5 y/o daughter does exactly the same thing when she looses a game of cards. she changes the rules, cheats, bangs the table, and often storms out usually with her parting shot of "stupid game!" or "i dont like that game!" or "you're cheating Dad!". but you expect better from these people who are so well informed.
Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: » i never thought i would say this, but this whole fiasco has reminded me just how well served we are by the majority of our politicians.
