Dannyriver wrote: » I don t know what the **** that s meant to mean...in the meantime did you scroll through the pics posted on the internet that I linked you
gozunda wrote: » Why are you quoting yourself? What *pics*? Nope saw no pics - just you quoting yourself :pac:
Dannyriver wrote: » You saw the pics alright that s for sure
gozunda wrote: » And???? Why were you quoting yourself? You've gone very enigmatic there altogether Danny...
Dannyriver wrote: » At least you learned something about the ability for people to live western lives (sic) in a Muslim country and that all countries in the Middle east aren't as intolerant as Saudi Arabia look quoting myself again ... and you as well (sic)
Dannyriver wrote: » **** I did it again :eek:
gozunda wrote: » Danny - maybe take a rest there. I think it's all boiled your brains a bit ... :pac:
Dannyriver wrote: » And don t forget to scroll through the photos which that particular club put on the internet from the other night...do those people look like they are afraid of the cops busting them for kissing in a restaurant
Roger Hassenforder wrote: » I thought you might have thought this a good idea; an authority forcing women to do what you don't want them forced not to do... My bad. We can get rid of the antiMorality police, I've them pencilled in as a bullet point.
Captain Obvious wrote: » I'm sure you thought this was cleverer in your head.
Captain Obvious wrote: » At the end of the day you are advocating controlling womens clothing for their own good. That's exactly what the religious police do. You aren't much different to them, you simply have different motivation.
Junkyard Tom wrote: » On the contrary I think more Irish women should wear them regardless of their religion.
Roger Hassenforder wrote: » Very mixed signals coming out of Dubai, I mean, we have you, here on boards, and then we have...https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.irishexaminer.com/ireland/irishman-jailed-in-dubai-over-sex-claim-214786.htmlhttps://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.irishexaminer.com/ireland/irishman-jailed-in-dubai-over-sex-claim-214786.htmlhttps://www.thenational.ae/opinion/editorial/dubai-sex-case-offers-lessons-both-in-the-uae-and-abroad-1.301214https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/dubai-tourists-warned-over-tough-drug-stance-779910.html%3famphttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/dubai/7613229/British-woman-goes-to-jail-in-Dubai-kissing-case.htmlhttps://www.google.ie/amp/m.gulfnews.com/amp/news/uae/crime/three-arrested-for-kiki-dance-in-uae-1.2255964https://www.thenational.ae/uae/government/flyer-to-warn-indians-over-poppy-seeds-after-16-year-old-arrested-at-dubai-airport-1.607024http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-18/adelaide-man-arrested-in-dubai/7764532https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.arabianbusiness.com/amp/article_listing/aben/uae-businessman-featured-in-dirty-dancing-wedding-video-is-arrested-589006.html (In fairness, he might have deserved it) Out of curiosity, did you become friends with many Emerati?
Dannyriver wrote: » Clutching at straws man, you trailed through the net and found some horror story click bait and decided thats proof. The first 2 are the same links, and the rest are extremely and I mean extremely isolated incidents ...if they weren t you d have found a **** load ...the pictures of people in the nightclub is the truth. If you re drunk and disorderly and draw attention to yourself you ll get in to serious trouble in the way that a lot of people on here suggest 'scumbags' and 'travellers' should be treated [zero tolerance]but other than that you can get on with your life as normal. And of course I became friends with Emiratis I was working with them. To be honest this conversation is ridiculous because I know what I m talking about, this isn t even a debate about opinion or perspective , this is you deciding I'm being untruthful about my experience and the experience of the half million or so westerners living there.
Roger Hassenforder wrote: » I haven't decided you're being untruthful, It's just difficult to reconcile your UAE with others' experience*, and some random articles from one quick search on Google, notwithstanding I pasted the same link twice. If you say you're telling the truth fine, I believe you! *I haven't been there & I've no wish to go. Back to burkas. Will I put you down for a "no"?
Dannyriver wrote: » I'm with others here , telling women what they can and cannot wear as a law in any liberal democracy is a retrograde step.
Roger Hassenforder wrote: » Others might appreciate the sarcastic wit. Might just have been wasted on you. Not my finest admittedly.
Roger Hassenforder wrote: » Which makes us different...
gozunda wrote: » With that attempt at logic Boards.ie may just pack up and close shop. Good to see you have adopted an army of half a million supporters who fully back your version of reality. The issue at hand is not about your opinion of anyone country as stated previously, but rather gender based oppression for those who do not have the choice as whether go running in the park with a tracksuit with their head uncovered etc if they so wish. It is that same issue which these self same women are made to do the same in other countries whether they wish to or otherwise. Withering on about random snaps in nightclubs (which interestingly by law exclude the locals) showing expats is largely irrelevant. Try that type of thing outside those nightclubs which are set up for foreigners or in public and you'll get a short sharp shock and the full weight of religous fundamentalism down on top of you.
Dannyriver wrote: » Behind closed doors, you make it sound like people living in compounds...such bollox...yes you can get arrested for being a drunken slob on the street and they have zero tolerance of the drunken public debauchery and pissing in the streets that is endemic in Irish / British culture, all the rest is just horse **** ... arrested for kissing in a restaurant..is enough for me to know that you know **** all about the place. I lived there for years so I actually know what I'm talking about.https://www.dubainight.com/dubai/billionaire-mansion/photos-billionaire-mansion-sunday-septembre-09,3,1056422.html?page=36
jmayo wrote: » Roger Hassenforder actually provided some links to disprove your assertion that it was horse**** that someone was arrested for kissing in restaurant. Care to admit you were wrong? And the other things I mentioned have all happened in Dubai. Now if you want I can trawl through and find even more like the Aussie guy arrested for sharing facebook post about charity. And of course you claim it only happens if someone is drunk out of their skulls on the streets or when your assertions of horse**** are disproven you then claim these are isolated cases. Care to tell us how many similar isolated cases of arrests for swearing on social media, arrests for public shows of affection, sharing charity posts on internet, etc, etc have occurred in the Western world ? If there is any horse**** around here it is coming from you. I take it you are a male because females I have known that have even just visited Dubai have not such a good opinion of the place. And yes I know guys that have been pi**ed out of their trees in hotels and in compounds or shagged all round them, but that still does not mean you can live a complete western way of live in the place as you claim. All one has to do is look at the weird laws. No one is arguing that everywhere is like Saudi, but you. But your assertion that one can lead a completely normal western live is horse****. Some countries are more free than others, but none are the same as what we would term western countries of today. Actually Bahrain would have been one of the most liberal, although they made sure there was no Arab spring. Maybe that was a damn good thing. But even in Bahrain one cannot live a completely free western style lifestyle. Homosexuality is considered an offence in Bahrain, public shows of affection are frowned upon, open displays of religious beliefs that are non-Muslim can be seen as offensive. Anyway stop comparing them to what western countries were like a hundred years ago or in Ireland's case 40 odd years ago.
Roger Hassenforder wrote: » When you see women in Iran protesting against mandatory hijab after the shah was ousted in 79, to me suggests they're not that enamoured with them. So if they weren't wearing them until a fundamentalist Ayotollah mandated them, that suggests a certain reluctance to have to wear one, throw in the white Wednesday movement, and thats just a hijab. When you see women celebrating ISIS being pushed out of their villages by removing their burkas, also suggests theyre not overly enamoured with the burka either. Seems to be a bit of a trend, (and a recent enough trend) when fundamentalist mysoginists come to power, one of the first thing they set about doing, is suppressing female sexuality and enforcing strict moral sartorial obligations on their women, preventing them from fully participating in society. Wanting to wear one indicates you subscribe to this ideology. So logically, if a certain proportion of women do not want to wear hijab/burqa, banning it would support any such women, while also ensuring women who genuinely want to wear it as a signal of their morality and fundamentalist ideology, are free to go somewhere else. It can't be anti Muslim, it's certainly not anti women if some dont want to wear it, it's simply an anti backward, regressive, dangerous ideology, that is incompatible with an ability to express an opinion whether women even have a choice in the matter, among other things.
Grayson wrote: » The point is that it's wrong to force a woman to wear it and it's wrong to force them to take it off. It's up to a woman to decide what to wear, not up to you to tell her. And it is anti muslim if the only group you're picking on is muslim. And I have no idea how you can say it's not anti women because some women don't want to wear it. Some religious women think that miniskirts are horrible and don't want to wear them. That doesn't mean it's ok to ban miniskirts. If you do something because some people want it, then you're persecuting the others. Even if it's a majority, that's got a term too, it's called the tyranny of the majority.Just let people wear what they want to wear. It's not a hard concept to get your head around.
PlaneSpeeking wrote: » Yeah you might want to tell several hundred million Muslim men that.
Grayson wrote: » I'll get around to it. How about you tell all the people here who think the burka should be banned? Or were you just trying to score some points with your reply? I said that forcing someone to wear one is wrong. I said it in the post that you quoted and I've probably said it a hundred times over the years I've been posting here. as far as I'm concerned the people who try to ban it are up there with the people in saudi forcing women to wear it. Neither gives a flying fcuk what the woman actually want.
