bubblypop wrote: » So? I don't understand why this matters? My father wanted my mother to her an abortion. My best friend went for an abortion & changed her mind. Both I & my friends daughter are pro choice & will be voting yes. I don't see the point here?
Outlaw Pete wrote: » Well, good question, Sarah Catt tried to procure an abortion at 29 weeks and eventually resorted to pills mere days before the baby was due. She was having a long standing affair at the time. Another young woman did similar a few years ago also but I'd have more a lot more empathy for her than I would Sarah as she seems to have some mental health issues which I don't feel were giving as much credence as they perhaps should have been. Then there was the UK GP who was caught helping to arrange 8 month pregnancy abortions in Spain for some of her patients in an uncover sting. Came out also that she had even arranged an eight month abortion for her own daughter. How many had she arranged before being uncovered one has to wonder. Just on the following also, Susie: I keep seeing this kind of comment being made, and not just by yourself, but many users, and indeed some Irish medical professionals, and it is totally false. There is zero reason to think that abortion methods in Ireland will be much different to that of the UK and will only require women here taking two pills and having a heavy period. In fact, in the UK 84% of abortions between 10 -12 weeks are surgical and even if we go down to between 3 - 9 weeks gestation, 28% of those abortions are surgical also:
Calhoun wrote: » Absolute hypocrisy from the original post about the no badge and does your side no favors, all i see is someone so caught up in the group think that they think any opposing view is dangerous. Why are we even having a vote? If its already been decided. Just illustrates what this vote is to us men, its not just about the hard cases but its also about bigger social issues and how if we vote yes we might be screwing ourselves in the long run.
_Dara_ wrote: » In what way? Not being told about the pregnancy and subsequent abortion? The ship has sailed on that one. Women have a constitutional right to travel to procure an abortion. If it's concerning the concept of legal abortion, voting no in protest at that not yet existing strikes me as spiteful. AFAIK, that’s not legal anywhere yet.
Calhoun wrote: » The anti-male rhetoric and general not having an opinion unless its the right one. This referendum on one level could be Irelands trump moment, i highly doubt it as i think it will carry.
_Dara_ wrote: » Can’t speak for anyone else but I’m fine with surgical abortions. An abortion is an abortion.
As for Sarah Catt and the other few examples. Well, there’ll always be outliers. On any topic you can think of. Point to any piece of legislation and I bet you could find detrimental unintended consequences. It’s impossible to fully stamp them out.
Outlaw Pete wrote: » Just seen this lad's tweets on Twitter and thought he came across very well and Dad's are something we haven't heard too much from during the referendum so far.................
Effects wrote: » Where is Daithi going to stop though? Who's to say he won't want to shut down assisted reproduction clinics after he gets what he wants and the no vote passes?
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ted1 wrote: » Jenneke87 wrote: » I had to have all three of my pregnancies terminated, or " the babies killed" as some of you like to call it. Only that is the reason I'm currently alive. I'm grateful that in my home country there is abortion on demand so that women, when they need to, can safely terminate. I believe that some pro-lifers massively misunderstand how difficult it is to make that decision. We don't go in there with a smile on our faces in anticipation of the free tea and cookies will get after the procedure. In my country murder will get you 25 years. If you " kill" at six weeks gestation the fetus is the size of a grain of rice, yet some of you want to put the two on equal footing, it's just bizarre..To become completely without rights just because you can get pregnant is truly a scary idea and one, I bet that wouldn't even be discussed if men could get pregnant. I also wonder if those that are pro-life and claim that poverty of lack of finances to properly raise is not a reason to abort a child would financially support a woman so she can keep it, but we all know the answer..Suddenly the child is no longer their business.. Three days ago, here, a 19 year old girl gave birth, put the baby in a plastic bag and left it to die on the balcony, which the baby did. I was horrified, first of all for the baby but also because, if she truly did not want the baby, she could have safely terminated the pregnancy. I'm sure the baby was now far more aware of it's impending death than it would have been had she terminated. A pregnancy and it's continuation is between the woman, her partner if still on scene and her GP and no-one else. If your life was at risk you could have had the abortions here under r the 2013 act[/quotem Maybe so. I dont come from Ireland and was 20 years old at the time. I had no idea this act even existed and I know no doctor ever mentioned it. I just knew that abortion wasn't possible and had to travel. The other times I was in my home country so no travel was required.
Jenneke87 wrote: » I had to have all three of my pregnancies terminated, or " the babies killed" as some of you like to call it. Only that is the reason I'm currently alive. I'm grateful that in my home country there is abortion on demand so that women, when they need to, can safely terminate. I believe that some pro-lifers massively misunderstand how difficult it is to make that decision. We don't go in there with a smile on our faces in anticipation of the free tea and cookies will get after the procedure. In my country murder will get you 25 years. If you " kill" at six weeks gestation the fetus is the size of a grain of rice, yet some of you want to put the two on equal footing, it's just bizarre..To become completely without rights just because you can get pregnant is truly a scary idea and one, I bet that wouldn't even be discussed if men could get pregnant. I also wonder if those that are pro-life and claim that poverty of lack of finances to properly raise is not a reason to abort a child would financially support a woman so she can keep it, but we all know the answer..Suddenly the child is no longer their business.. Three days ago, here, a 19 year old girl gave birth, put the baby in a plastic bag and left it to die on the balcony, which the baby did. I was horrified, first of all for the baby but also because, if she truly did not want the baby, she could have safely terminated the pregnancy. I'm sure the baby was now far more aware of it's impending death than it would have been had she terminated. A pregnancy and it's continuation is between the woman, her partner if still on scene and her GP and no-one else.
drunkmonkey wrote: » I understand my first right was one of life. You want to take that away and give me nothing in return because I'm a man. It's quite clear you don't have friends who could have fallen foul of abortion or were they merely mistakes that got lucky. The bigger picture is more people will die and men are giving up their only right.
antiskeptic wrote: » Never thought of it that way! The 8th gives the co creator the only right he has over his co creation in the womb. 27k, 25k, 55k, 91k, 133k. The number of abortions per year in the UK for the 5 years following legalisation.
drunkmonkey wrote: » It's quite clear you don't have friends who could have fallen foul of abortion or were they merely mistakes that got lucky.
SusieBlue wrote: » No it doesn't. She has a constitutional right to travel to the UK for an abortion (as 4k women currently do) and there is absolutely nothing you can do to stop her.
drunkmonkey wrote: » Men have a right as it is. They have 0 rights in anything that's proposed. I get the feeling you don't think they should have any and the one they have should just be given up. This has to be the worst deal for men in the history of deals maybe ever.
bubblypop wrote: » I don't understand this? What difference does repealing the 8th have to do with men's rights?
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