kumate_champ07 wrote: » do you know if a pregnant woman is killed is there a bigger punishment for the accused compared to if the woman was not pregnant?
kumate_champ07 wrote: » maybe read properly before you assume you understand someone elses point of view. abortion is when the offspring is still living inside the mother.
kumate_champ07 wrote: » if we agree that some animals murder their children in the wild, does that mean its ok to do? they also rape each other.
Mark Hamill wrote: » I thought the whole point of the anti-choice side was that the baby in the womb is the same as the baby outside? Also, as gctest50 mentioned, there is the Bruce Effect, which is when certain animals abort their own pregnancies. Animals doing something doesn't make it right or wrong, but it does contradict anyone saying they don't do it.
Jenneke87 wrote: » I had to have all three of my pregnancies terminated, or " the babies killed" as some of you like to call it. Only that is the reason I'm currently alive. I'm grateful that in my home country there is abortion on demand so that women, when they need to, can safely terminate. I believe that some pro-lifers massively misunderstand how difficult it is to make that decision. We don't go in there with a smile on our faces in anticipation of the free tea and cookies will get after the procedure. In my country murder will get you 25 years. If you " kill" at six weeks gestation the fetus is the size of a grain of rice, yet some of you want to put the two on equal footing, it's just bizarre..To become completely without rights just because you can get pregnant is truly a scary idea and one, I bet that wouldn't even be discussed if men could get pregnant. I also wonder if those that are pro-life and claim that poverty of lack of finances to properly raise is not a reason to abort a child would financially support a woman so she can keep it, but we all know the answer..Suddenly the child is no longer their business.. Three days ago, here, a 19 year old girl gave birth, put the baby in a plastic bag and left it to die on the balcony, which the baby did. I was horrified, first of all for the baby but also because, if she truly did not want the baby, she could have safely terminated the pregnancy. I'm sure the baby was now far more aware of it's impending death than it would have been had she terminated. A pregnancy and it's continuation is between the woman, her partner if still on scene and her GP and no-one else.
Jenneke87 wrote: » I had to have all three of my pregnancies terminated, or " the babies killed" as some of you like to call it. Only that is the reason I'm currently alive. I'm grateful that in my home country there is abortion on demand so that women, when they need to, can safely terminate.
Jenneke87 wrote: » I believe that some pro-lifers massively misunderstand how difficult it is to make that decision. We don't go in there with a smile on our faces in anticipation of the free tea and cookies will get after the procedure. In my country murder will get you 25 years. If you " kill" at six weeks gestation the fetus is the size of a grain of rice, yet some of you want to put the two on equal footing, it's just bizarre..To become completely without rights just because you can get pregnant is truly a scary idea and one, I bet that wouldn't even be discussed if men could get pregnant.
Jenneke87 wrote: » I also wonder if those that are pro-life and claim that poverty of lack of finances to properly raise is not a reason to abort a child would financially support a woman so she can keep it, but we all know the answer..Suddenly the child is no longer their business..
kumate_champ07 wrote: » have no problem with that, thats morally acceptable, it was the only option. I think euthanasia should be allowed, I would still call it killing, because thats the word used to describe when you end the life of an organism. people attach their own emotions to the word.
SusieBlue wrote: » It’s this kind of talk that annoys me. Who made you the authority on what is and isn’t morally acceptable? Regardless, why should any woman have to justify terminating a pregnancy to you, to see if their reason is morally acceptable? Why should I have to live my life, and indeed, have my healthcare restricted, because of your morals? Especially when I disagree with you? I don’t even know you? In my opinion making any woman continue with a pregnancy she doesn’t want is morally unacceptable.
kumate_champ07 wrote: » I said they dont have abortions...........
kumate_champ07 wrote: » ..... No other species aborts their own children. Its not very humane
kumate_champ07 wrote: » I have no problem with abortions for medical reasons, but we are headed towards the same type of system used as other countries which is morally wrong. If you cant see that you are blind. I'm not religious, but I value human life. It should be given a chance to grow up and experience being a human. No other species aborts their own children. Its not very humane
gctest50 wrote: » You said : "Auto-abortion" !!!! Gelada monkeys in the wild abort their pregnancies if a new dominant male takes over The ones that do, tend to fare better - easy to see why that's the way it is see :
SusieBlue wrote: » It’s this kind of talk that annoys me. Who made you the authority on what is and isn’t morally acceptable? .
kumate_champ07 wrote: » I think you might be caught up in semantics gctest50
kumate_champ07 wrote: » they suffer a miscarriage,
kumate_champ07 wrote: » there is no scientific evidence to show that they are giving themselves abortions. it seems to be a biological processes that happens under certain environmental conditions. they dont use special tools or natural medicines to terminate their pregnancy
kumate_champ07 wrote: » ...........it seems to be a biological processes .....
kumate_champ07 wrote: » it seems like you want to prove me wrong on small details, rather than tackle the core subject
kumate_champ07 wrote: » ...... No other species aborts their own children. Its not very humane
kumate_champ07 wrote: » ........... I see people all the time talk about how drugs are evil, while they drink and smoke themselves. Im not allowed use natural plant extracts because someone else decided they have control over my body, but I can buy a product with cancer causing additives and destroy my body with that ,because the law says thats ok
kumate_champ07 wrote: » will it get the same kind of support from liberals as Repeal? or will that situation remain the same because men are 'privileged' and should be happy with what they have
kumate_champ07 wrote: » if you believe we should behave like apes perhaps you would like to finish this argument like apes, I assume you're a male?
kumate_champ07 wrote: » https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy
SusieBlue wrote: » The very ironic part about your original post is that while you sympathised, and agreed her abortion was morally acceptable in your eyes, you are still going to vote No in order to stop the "bad" abortions you don't agree with. Which means that women like her will continue having to risk their health and lives, just so you can sleep easy knowing the "bad" abortions have been stopped....Except they haven't. 4k abortions happen every year. It just makes it unsafe for those who do need to travel. What are these women to you, collateral damage? Do you think its morally acceptable for women to have to risk their health and lives, so that we can proudly declare we're an abortion free country? (even though we aren't)
Mark Hamill wrote: » The point, as is obvious to most everyone else, is that animals having abortions contradicts your appeal to nature fallacy. And it is a fallacy because whether or not animals do it is entirely irrelevant. Animals don't post on the internet either, doesn't make it right or wrong. Still, interesting to see threats of violence when you are called out for your fallacies. Shows your lack of forethought in your position and your lack of confidence in your arguments.
kumate_champ07 wrote: » can we have a discussion here and not an argument? are those 4,000 abortions because a womans life is in danger from the pregnancy, and why are they not allowed happen in Ireland if the life of the mother is in danger? you could try educate me instead of trying to guilt trip me and of course I dont think its morally acceptable for a woman to die because she hasnt been allowed an abortion
Triceratops Ballet wrote: » No, some of them happen because the foetus has FFA and they can't be administered here and some happen because the woman chose to have an abortion
kumate_champ07 wrote: » the bruce effect has not been confirmed in geladas, but you seem to want to keep that species in your argument.
gctest50 wrote: » ......... If a lab mouse that's a few days pregnant smells the urine of a strange male her prolactin will drop and she will spontaneously abort ( miscarry if scairt of the A word ) because dopamine
kumate_champ07 wrote: » they have miscarriages when a new alpha male enters the group.or he just kills her children so they can have more with him as the father.
kumate_champ07 wrote: » I also mentioned MDMA which is not a natural plant extract, I didnt want to have to cover all the various drugs that I'm not allowed put in my body which are safe when used correctly
kumate_champ07 wrote: » what youre talking about is something completely different to human abortions, dont throw semantics back at me. if a woman is in a club and spots a more physically attractive male should she go and get an abortion because the new male will provide a genetically superior offspring? that sounds alot like eugenic abortion the bruce effect has not been confirmed in geladas, but you seem to want to keep that species in your argument. they have miscarriages when a new alpha male enters the group. or he just kills her children so they can have more with him as the father. should a new boyfriend be allowed kill a womans child from her previous partner like the geladas you are fond of? you can keep twisting my words but it wont change anything. I also mentioned MDMA which is not a natural plant extract, I didnt want to have to cover all the various drugs that I'm not allowed put in my body which are safe when used correctly "#it'sallaboutmeeeee" look at you picking my posts apart and framing them to suit your own narrative with your condescending tone if you believe we should behave like apes perhaps you would like to finish this argument like apes, I assume you're a male?
gctest50 wrote: » That's like something Jeffrey Dahmer would do
bubblypop wrote: » what are the medicinal benefits of mdma?
kumate_champ07 wrote: » I dont know how many times I have to point out that its not the same as what humans do. Can I kill a womans infant children from another man so that I can make more children with her using my own DNA?
kumate_champ07 wrote: » Trees have an 'internet', they use their roots and their leaves to communicate with each other. Mushrooms also do the same type of communication thru soil, they breathe in oxygen and exhale carbon dioxide just like us.
kumate_champ07 wrote: » that particular poster is fond of apes , I refuted their points and humorlessly gave them an option for conclusion.
Mark Hamill wrote: » Why they do it is irrelevant, animals still have abortions. They stop otherwise healthy pregnancies by themselves.SNIP adds nothing Please stop saying whatever random nonsense comes into you head. Trees and mushrooms have an internet? Do they have modems and network cards? Whats their version of 4chan, tree moss? It's the lack of humor that makes it seem like a threat of violence.
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