Appledreams15 wrote: » I am not happy that Stuart and Paddy were sacked because I am vindictive, would like to see them suffer, or have any anger at them personally. However, I am delighted because Ireland is beginning to take sexual assault more seriously. We could not go on the way we were. I think if men knew the true scale of rapes in Ireland, they would be very ashamed to see that it was allowed to happen for such a long time, and procedures: court, support, education were not funded or paid any attention to. This case has helped to highlight what needs to change
facehugger99 wrote: » Paddy will need to hope rumours of a contract with Clermont are true - apparently he spent over 500k on his expensive legal team to get off the charges. Given he hasn't played for 2 years it will be interesting to see how much he can command - certainly less than his previous contract. It will also be interesting to see whether he can ever get back to the level where he was before his disgraceful behaviour. The out-half position is as much mental as physical and he may not be ever able to shake off the shame that will follow him around for the rest of his career - they'll certainly be plenty of sledging openings for rival fans and players to draw on. Does he have the mental strength to stand up to it? Time will tell - but I doubt it. Might have been better to cut his losses and try a new career path.
AudreyHepburn wrote: » Except there wasn’t any sexual assault or rape here. And I have to be honest here Apple - your posts are very demeaning toward men. I’m guessing that somewhere along the line someone hurt you and I’m sorry it happened but you’re letting it color your view of men as a whole and that’s really unfair.
meeeeh wrote: » Yes but they weren't let go for rape, it was their what's app messages. So tell me is that a message we should give to young girls. You are there to provide two holes, don't worry about your own enjoyment.
joe40 wrote: » What qualifies me to give that woman any advice. If she asked I would tell her to be careful use good judgement, but the vast majority of young men are not dangerous. If she finds herself in an abusive relationship where a lot of rapes occur then seek help to get out as quickly as possible. This woman is young so when she gets over this I hope she has good nights out in the future and meets nice fellas that dont seem.to have a obsession with spit roasting. That would be my advice
Silentcorner wrote: » Bu bu bu but it is...why did Stuart Olding get his solicitor to read out a handwritten note prepared by him, apologising for his role in an unsavoury incident. Do you think he was lying? Just because you don't think it is an answer, doesn't mean you are right.
skearnsot wrote: » I’m pretty sure George Hook tried to make reference to something like this behaviour on the airwaves and the rest is history ............. or am I wrong?! George Hook was not talking about this case at the time either
Faugheen wrote: » He won't.
facehugger99 wrote: » Other than the solicitors, would it be fair to say that the big winner from the last couple of weeks is young Joey Carbery? Great chance to become the long term successor to Sexton at out-half. Delighted for him, seems like a nice chap.
joe40 wrote: » Context nature of private messages is well accepted, it is not a difficult concept.
joe40 wrote: » The court case found the men innocent of the very specific charges against, it made no ruling at all on apart from that.
joe40 wrote: » The men's own apology to their credit acknowledged their wrongdoing.
joe40 wrote: » We all have complex personalities, but how we behave both in public and private are indicators of that personality.
joe40 wrote: » On a separate note please understand the importance of brevity
goz83 wrote: » Seems to me that you are vindictive. Being part of the mob forcing innocent men out of the careers because they are men is sexist, vindictive and deplorable. The only thing being taken seriously is money. That’s the only reason the IRFU appeased the mob. I agree that we can't go on the way are. There needs to be actual evidence before someone is arrested and taken to court on a rape allegation. The current system where a woman cries rape and the man is treated like a rapist from the start needs to stop. Would your employer be happy with you if your man hating messages were made available? I read that the fees were just over 100k. Still a staggering figure, but far shirt of half a million. It really is disturbing to see you take satisfaction from someone elses troubles. Keep throwing those stones. She mentioned earlier that she was raped. Could be true, or could be BS. She has shown clearly that she is completely and illogically biased in favour of women. 2 holes? Still a virgin? Bless. I would hope that all men stay well clear of this woman. God forbid she gets upset and they find themselves up for rape charges. He knew there was an angry mob. He gave them half a pound of flesh to keep them off his back. The GH debacle was a disgrace. He was accused of victim blaming where he only wanted to spark a debate and question responsibility. People accused him of saying things which were simply not said and they also latched onto his apology. Any sane person knows his apology was an effort to keep his position, but of course it wasn’t enough for the mob.
joe40 wrote: » Well this is a genuine question for you. At what stage is it safe or appropriate for a woman to go to a man room. ( just keeping it heterosexual for convenience) I'm not trying to be awkward. Genuine question.
goz83 wrote: » Falsely accused men don’t want sympathy. They want justice. When it is proven that someone has made a false accusation, they should get thrown into prison the same way convicted rapists are thrown into prison. Both are scum. There is conflicting research everywhere, but lets take thise figures for now and round them off. For every 10 alleged rapes, 1 of them will be proven to be false. That’s a lot of false allegations. There aren’t many jail cells with false accusers in them, are there? Usually nothing happens even when it is proven that the accuser is lying, or blatantly admits it. Yes, that’s correct. My mistake. Not Guilty. What were the messages Paddy Jackson sent? Can you quote them and then honestly say he deserved to be sacked for the single message he sent? Some wouldn’t be happy until these lads were hanging from a rope. Anonymous bullies is all most of them are. And now you are believing what Paddy Jackson says? Well, that’s certainly a change. Believe him when it suits you eh?
pjohnson wrote: » Nah mob rule has probably ended his international career. Any idea the reasons why Murphy and Easterby could and did play for Ireland though? I dont think its a recent ruling as Neil Best stopped playing internationally when he left Ulster for England so genuinely curious.
Silentcorner wrote: » Jesus Christ... Maybe Rory should have tried to explain that to her in the cab ride home!!!
sporina wrote: » see link belowhttps://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/ashamed-paddy-jackson-apologises-for-degrading-messages-1.3452843
Roger Hassenforder wrote: » Silentcorner wrote: » Jesus Christ... Maybe Rory should have tried to explain that to her in the cab ride home!!! Jesus christ is right! Is the concept of a girl targetting a high profile rugby player for sex so alien? Conor and Simon's friend boasted about it
Roger Hassenforder wrote: » Jesus christ is right! Is the concept of a girl targetting a high profile rugby player for sex so alien? Conor and Simon's friend boasted about it
hatrickpatrick wrote: » The man did absolutely nothing wrong.
Silentcorner wrote: » Did this young lady boast about it? Please post a link because it is the first I've heard of it. It's hard to tell with this one, she was sobbing so much she was barely able to tell the cab driver her address.... Have you absolutely no empathy for a young woman who arrived home from a night out, sobbing to the point where she could barely talk?
Faugheen wrote: » Paddy and Stuart's didn't.
Roger Hassenforder wrote: » I If nothing else maybe girls will stop throwing themselves at these guys and devaluing their productso cheaply.
Roger Hassenforder wrote: » Theres several issues here youre conflating into one. (Have i empathy for someone raped? Of course.Have i empathy for a girl in tears? Yes. Does a girl in tears mean she was raped? Do girls target high profile sports stars for sex or not?
Roger Hassenforder wrote: » Faugheen wrote: » Paddy and Stuart's didn't. Do girls target high profile sports stars for sex or not?
AudreyHepburn wrote: » If I have learned one thing from this whole debacle it’s that far from being an enlightened and forward thinking country when it comes to sexual matters we still seem to be trapped in a 19th century mindset where sex is something a man does to a woman rather than it being a consensual act between two people. As a woman this really bothers me - on the one hand my fellow women go on about wanting equality and being seen as strong and liberated and independent yet on the other hand they can’t revert to the victim mentality quick enough when it comes to their interactions with men I think it’s time we start acting like the grown women we are and take responsibility for ourselves and our choices. That’s what a truly strong woman does. She doesn’t revert to man hating and acting like a victim to get her way.
Faugheen wrote: » Some do, yes. You said the girl involved with Murray and Zebo was boasting about it, which is completely irrelevant to what happened here, because the girl involved here was the complete opposite. I think a lot of people here refuse to accept the possibility that she believes she was raped yet the lads believed it was consensual. It is absolutely possible that this is the case. However, some people on either side just want to shout the other down, and give completely irrelevant comparisons. This case is not a black and white one. Can you find two men guilty of rape when they believed it was consensual? In these circumstances, I don't think you can. However, this 'false accusation' nonsense has to stop. You can't promote 'innocent until proven guilty' and then say that this girl falsely accused them of rape. Until this is proven, there's absolutely no evidence for it. Even the defence thought the judge was so convinced by the complainants story that they accused her of being more sympathic to the complainant in her charge to the jury. By all accounts, this woman was a very credible witness (so say most of the journos in the room). Otherwise, the defence wouldn't have tried to get the case thrown out so many times. They knew that this wasn't going to be an easy one to win. She's either telling the truth (or at least her perception of events) or she's a great actress. Having said all that, Jackson's barrister sounds like a man very much worth the money. He crucified the prosecution evidence in his closing statement. Do all of the above mean she was raped? Nah, but it shows that there is a wider conversation on consent that needs to be had. She could believe she was, but the lads would have been none the wiser. It's such a sorry case for all involved, really.
FrancieBrady wrote: » And yet the jury decided inordinately quickly on many charges.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Faugheen wrote: » Some do, yes. You said the girl involved with Murray and Zebo was boasting about it, which is completely irrelevant to what happened here, because the girl involved here was the complete opposite. I think a lot of people here refuse to accept the possibility that she believes she was raped yet the lads believed it was consensual. It is absolutely possible that this is the case. However, some people on either side just want to shout the other down, and give completely irrelevant comparisons. This case is not a black and white one. Can you find two men guilty of rape when they believed it was consensual? In these circumstances, I don't think you can. However, this 'false accusation' nonsense has to stop. You can't promote 'innocent until proven guilty' and then say that this girl falsely accused them of rape. Until this is proven, there's absolutely no evidence for it. Even the defence thought the judge was so convinced by the complainants story that they accused her of being more sympathic to the complainant in her charge to the jury. By all accounts, this woman was a very credible witness (so say most of the journos in the room). Otherwise, the defence wouldn't have tried to get the case thrown out so many times. They knew that this wasn't going to be an easy one to win. She's either telling the truth (or at least her perception of events) or she's a great actress. Having said all that, Jackson's barrister sounds like a man very much worth the money. He crucified the prosecution evidence in his closing statement. Do all of the above mean she was raped? Nah, but it shows that there is a wider conversation on consent that needs to be had. She could believe she was, but the lads would have been none the wiser. It's such a sorry case for all involved, really. And yet the jury decided inordinately quickly on many charges.
meeeeh wrote: » And yet in all your statements you said you would teach girls how not to regret sex. Not once you mentioned you would teach them that they should enjoy it. You preach a lot what a strong woman does, yet you don't understand that standing up for herself is not man hating, it's being strong. It's also funny how it's all women's fault. Fairly despicable messages are just private conversations (it's good to know that, if I plan murder over what's app it's just private conversation) and nobody should be offended by that. And then it's the obligatory statement that only repressed people don't agree with you despite being pointed out on numerous occasions that consensual mutually enjoyable sex is not a problem.
AudreyHepburn wrote: » We simply can’t blame men for everything that goes wrong- if we truly are the strong modern women we claim to be then we should be able take responsibility for our own choices and accept the mistakes we make.
Faugheen wrote: » Nah, Jackson did a good job of ending his own career. I genuinely don't know what the story with Murphy was though. Leo Cullen wasn't picked (or at least he wasn't often picked) when he played with Leicester. It was only when he returned to Leinster that he was selected in Ireland squads more regularly. I remember reading somewhere that Murphy felt he would have won more caps if he was in Ireland, mind.
Silentcorner wrote: » Did this young lady boast about it? Please post a link because it is the first I've heard of it.It's hard to tell with this one, she was sobbing so much she was barely able to tell the cab driver her address.... Have you absolutely no empathy for a young woman who arrived home from a night out, sobbing to the point where she could barely talk?
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