jm08 wrote: » Fann Linn wrote: » These are so old. If that is all that's upsetting people I don't think Jackson has anything to worry about. Here's some more from the 80s prior to internet and Whats app. 'She's had more pricks than a second hand dart board'. 'She was so loose it was like throwing a sausage up O'Connel street'. You think that was acceptable humour back in the 80s. Debasing other human isn't good humour.
Fann Linn wrote: » These are so old. If that is all that's upsetting people I don't think Jackson has anything to worry about. Here's some more from the 80s prior to internet and Whats app. 'She's had more pricks than a second hand dart board'. 'She was so loose it was like throwing a sausage up O'Connel street'.
joe40 wrote: » Just out of curiosity, are there any posters here who believes the woman in this case deliberately and consciously lied throughout, with the sole purpose of getting young men sent to jail for a very long time because she didn't like them Obviously just an opinion one may have. If that were true she would have to be a sociopathic monster.
Appledreams15 wrote: » You are restoring my faith in humanity
FrancieBrady wrote: » how is it debasing, when both sexes are comfortable doing it? It isn't up to you and me.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Seriously, what needs to stop is these 'go to' phrases like 'brought the game into disrepute' It is utter nonsense. Hundreds of thousands of people have enjoyed thousands of minutes of rugby at all levels since these guys were charged and will continue to do so. Like everything, lessons need to be learned and put in place, but 'bringing the game into disrepute' is such a meaningless load of rubbish really.
jm08 wrote: » You are assuming both sexes are comfortable with it.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Both sexes used it in this case. Both sexes contribute to that page I linked. And I have heard both sexes use it, numerous times. You just cannot prove that this is not normal in the culture and behaviour of young people. And just like some kids didn't say '****' and ****' when we were young, it doesn't mean a whole pile only that it upsets older more conservative types. T'was always so.
jm08 wrote: » So, explain why there is an increase in rapes if everything is honky dory. If everyone is seemingly 'up for it', why did PJ's barrister defend PJ by saying that the complainant claimed it was rape because she was upset that PJ rejected her (having had a 3 some with herself and Olding mind).
jm08 wrote: » Yes, it is bullying. Read over the comments which were way too personal.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Is there an increase in rapes or reported rapes? I think rape has been a feature of our culture for a long long time. And nobody said everything is 'honky dory'. I am not interested in retrying the case.
jm08 wrote: » Reported rapes (17% increase) according to this:http://www.thejournal.ie/rape-stats-rise-ireland-3929262-Mar2018/
Try_harder wrote: » https://twitter.com/MaxHomo/status/982276502623485952
tretorn wrote: » Im laughing here, read the horrible comments she posted about the men acquitted last week. Really abusive personal stuff about their appearance. Thats ok in your eyes though because she is a woman and she can say anything about men. The woman alleging rape can call other women slutty but she gets a free pass too, its ok for her to demean other women like that because she is a w...........
FrancieBrady wrote: » People find it easier to report rape, that is a good thing. Does anybody know how many rapes actually occur though. No, according to the expert commentary I have listened to.
FrancieBrady wrote: » People find it easier to report rape, that is a good thing.
Does anybody know how many rapes actually occur though. No, according to the expert commentary I have listened to.
jm08 wrote: » They did up to a week ago. Now they won't bother. Ridiculous statement.
Tsipras wrote: » All these 'stats' about rape are nonsense though The accuser in this trial would say she was raped and she would would go into the percentage of people who 'were raped' but she wasn't so it's all a load of hot air
Seventy-three of the accused pleaded guilty, thereby saving the court valuable time, for which they would have received reduced sentences. Of the others charged before the court, 205 defendants were sent to trial. Those trials ended with 35 convictions, and 155 acquittals. In 15 instances, the jury was unable to agree on a verdict. One way of interpreting those figures would be that the jury convicted fractionally over 17% of those tried for rape and acquitted 76.6%. Those figures did not take into account 289 other cases. In 106 instances, the State entered a nolle prosequi, and the rape charge was listed as having been taken into consideration in the other 183 cases.
jm08 wrote: » Tsipras wrote: » All these 'stats' about rape are nonsense though The accuser in this trial would say she was raped and she would would go into the percentage of people who 'were raped' but she wasn't so it's all a load of hot air Some more stats (2013). 205 defendants were sent to trial. Those trials ended with 35 convictions, and 155 acquittals. Seventy-three of the accused pleaded guilty, thereby saving the court valuable time, for which they would have received reduced sentences. Of the others charged before the court, 205 defendants were sent to trial. Those trials ended with 35 convictions, and 155 acquittals. In 15 instances, the jury was unable to agree on a verdict. One way of interpreting those figures would be that the jury convicted fractionally over 17% of those tried for rape and acquitted 76.6%. Those figures did not take into account 289 other cases. In 106 instances, the State entered a nolle prosequi, and the rape charge was listed as having been taken into consideration in the other 183 cases. https://www.irishexaminer.com/viewpoints/ourview/rape-conviction-rate-offers-no-protection-276761.html
Tsipras wrote: » Exactly - a lot of rape cases seem to court without any evidence and rightly fall apart. Could be even worse now after the social media witch hunt in this case
It has long been recognised that women are reluctant to press rape charges. Although they are protected in relation to publicity, they still have to be prepared to testify in court, and be prepared to endure the embarrassment of being cross-examined by a defence team that will invariably seek to discredit the victim. Statistics can be massaged in different ways, but no matter how the figures are presented in relation to rape cases, the rate of conviction appears pathetic.
jm08 wrote: » No, that isn't the case. The likelihood is that fewer cases were be reported.
JupiterKid wrote: » They have brought the game into utter disrepute.
Mountainsandh wrote: » Your second quote is just an opinion and perspective. From the perspective of the wrongly accused, there is just as much hardship in a trial, and often after, as illustrated for the 4 guys of this thread. From the perspective of someone who is not guilty, one trial is one too many. When I look at the stats above, I think of all these people who have been subjected to a trial for no legally valid reason, as well as the genuine courageous ladies who have to go through a trial for an already traumatic experience.
jm08 wrote: » Well, the system doesn't serve anyone well. Interesting to note that while the Republic has a very low conviction rate, they shouldn't even bother in Northern Ireland with a 2% conviction rate (and they don't bring many cases forward for prosecution).
upandcumming wrote: » I can see why they don't seeing as they brought this farce through the courts.
According to the charity Rape Crisis 85,000 women and 12,000 men are raped each year in England and Wales, and only 15% of victims chose to report the crime to police.
smallgarden wrote: » It'd be interesting to see what percentage of women have been in a situation where they've said no to a guy and they've continued their behaviour. Be it sexual harassment, assault or rape.
jm08 wrote: » The UK has the lowest conviction rate of rape in Europe. As I've posted, NI has a conviction rate of 2% and France has a conviction rate of 25%. Are you claiming that rape rarely happens in Northern Ireland and those that do report it and their cases are brought to court were doing it for the crack?
