holyhead wrote: » I think society needs to take a long hard look at how men see women. I think men need to show women more respect. A drunk woman should never be seen as an easy target for sex. If anything, respect should demand she be brought to a place of safety to sleep off her hangover not taken advantage of. Although legally cleared, what the men did was morally reprehensible. As has been said there are no winners in this tragic case. Hope the girl can pick up the pieces and get on with life. As for the men well their reputation, whatever it amounted too, is destroyed. Silly boys.
givyjoe wrote: » Completely putting aside this case, they're are plenty of consenting adults who regularly partake in group sex, from both genders, and no one is defiled.
Doltanian wrote: » All this outrage over an alleged assault in which the defendants were found not guilty. Mass rapes are occurring every single day in Germany and Sweden by economic migrants abusing the asylum process posing as refugees. Where is the hashtags for that?
[Deleted User] wrote: » What Parents need to teach their Children is that if you act like an idiot and do foolish things there will be consequences so think before you act. I think everyone was wrong in this instance, they acted like complete and utter gobsh1tes and they all got a public lashing and you know what serves them all right perhaps they'll behave themselves and act like sane people in the future and most of all learn a bit of bloody respect. I like a drink but If I drank what any of them Woman included I'd be in the hospital, atrocious carry on by all involved. I just think if my Sister or Brothers acted like these idiots, I'd be absolutely disgusted.
[Deleted User] wrote: » Respect is a 2 way street, none of them had respect for themselves or each other . And the Woman had no respect for herself or the men, Seems to me more like she was up for a bit of a good time with the boys and was afraid they were going to video it. Basically the whole lot of them are f1cking idiots. Society needs to respect all and it needs to teach people to respect themselves first and treat others as they would like to be treated. The likes of the trial and RTE's reporting tonight just highlighted societies disrespect and content for Men and that is not good for anyone. It's all about Men against Women, Women against Men, I'm sick to death of it.
pitifulgod wrote: » The Republic of Ireland has the lowest conviction rate in Europe, we clearly have major problems in terms of how we handle rape cases. By the logic of many posters in this thread, 8 out of 10 who report rape in Ireland are lying(9/10 for North) and engaging in 'false accusations', that's not remotely plausible.
The Talking Bread wrote: » But you can't say, in a case like this, a trial of 9 weeks put to a jury, that Not Guilty = Factually Innocent ie =Definitely didn't happen. That is the point of the mantra of "Not Guilty by jury trial does not equate to innocent"
In fact Jackson et al are lucky that the standard of proof is for the jury being required to decide is not whether they are "INNOCENT beyond reasonable doubt". They are not the same thing. The outcome could and indeed would have probably been very different.
Doltanian wrote: » All this outrage over an alleged assault in which the defendants were found not guilty. Mass rapes are occurring every single day in Germany and Sweden by economic migrants abusing the asylum process posing as refugees. Where is the hashtags for that? Where is the Twitter controversy? Where is the Protests? There is none because in the eyes of the leftist feminists and their male zetacuck supporters it is only White Men especially Middle Class men who are the demons of society to be punished and marginalised. I'm happy the four lads had their good names cleared and I feel sorry for the real victims of sexual assault who get hurt and reminded of their ordeals because of it.
cloudatlas wrote: » Rules are hammered out before hand and there is after care and some modicum of respect shown I assume in most cases where people take part in group sex?
c.p.w.g.w wrote: » A really fear for the future...I've had a number sexual partners were consent was assumed and there was a good bit of alcohol involved...But in this new world I'd probably be guilty of rape. Next up consent contracts...Or potentially rewriting laws to suit unhappy women who think men are all evil.
SterlingArcher wrote: » https://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/irish-news/ireland-has-highest-rate-of-false-rape-allegations-26532287.html maybe there is a reason for that low conviction rate. Seems Ireland also has one of the highest rate of false rape allegations too.
Deleted User wrote: They want to remove mean from society, put them down and remove masculinity to try make us act like women, be quiet and don't show aggression and if your Son speaks out or is a bit wild we got a cure for him, we'll cll his "condition" ADHD medicate him to make him more feminine so he'll sit in the corner and be a good boy !
washman3 wrote: » Good post. When the judge informed the jury that she would only accept a unanimous verdict the writing was on the wall. For the men to be found guilty, all 11 jurors would have to agree. Is it entirely possible that a few jurors or maybe just a single one insisted from the outset that his/her mind was made up and wasn't for turning so a unanimous guilty verdict wasn't possible. It is extremely unlikely that all 11 jurors agreed the defendants were not guilty. Maybe a juror will give a 'tabloid interview' in the future.
holyhead wrote: » I think society some men need to take a long hard look at how men they see women.
_Whimsical_ wrote: » The defence also had a raft of holes in it. During his police interview Blane McIlroy ,who was only accused of exposing himself during the incident ,actually told police he had full sex with the woman that night. She and every other man present said Blane had not touched her. Just think about that. How did that happen? You don't generally tend to mistake walking into a room with taking part in group sex and having full sex. I think that clearly pointed to the men involved creating a story about what happened that night. It strongly suggests that they had rehersed something, allocated themselves roles in a consensual act and Blane had somehow confused his role in the story. If they were completely innocent, if the first they'd heard of this girl being raped was when the police called they'd all have told the truth without hesitation. There may not have been sufficient evidence to secure a conviction beyond all reasonable doubt, which is a very high threshold. There is more than enough evidence though to leave any thinking person feeling very uneasy about the legitimacy of this groups defense.
podmu80 wrote: » There's a convicted rapist playing for waterford United is there not? Out of the country at the time, but did that get much coverage? Surely that is something to be outraged by no?
BellaMama wrote: » One thing that the prosecuters brought up that I found strange, was that she said Blaine Mcelroy was the worst of the lot, that to me sadly saw that he came in and treated her like absolutely nothing, where as perhaps Jackson, and to a lesser extent Olding werent as horrible, i guess if it was truly rape someone exposing themselves would not be the worst of the lot, at least i think it would be the case.
Potatoeman wrote: » Could you imagine the outcry if it came out that this claim was made and they didn’t charge these guys. Even if her story didn’t match up it’s far easier for them to allow a jury make that decision.
py2006 wrote: » It also possibly highlights what appears to be the increasing, "if you regret sex, you've been raped", thought process creeping out of feminist gender studies US college campus blah blah
Pac1Man wrote: » Shame on anyone protesting tomorrow. Thankfully we have due process for situations like this. That has been the real winner here. The fact that the jury didn't baulk under the obvious social pressure and delivered their verdict based on the evidence alone leaves a nice taste in my mouth. Anyone protesting is basically looking for a totalitarian society where a ruling should be issued based on how a situation looks while ignoring the evidence. They can go fuk themselves. Have a look back throughout history and even today to see how well a society like that works out. They are not decent lads but that has absolutely nothing to do with this case.
Deleted User wrote: » Yeah but he's black so he doesn't fit the target "type". He jokes about it on twitter as well.
Sidebaro wrote: » If you replaced mentions of men with white people and women with black people in your post then you'd sound like Charles Manson.
GingerLily wrote: » Or you could just ask them? You don't sound mature enough for sex anyway tbh
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