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Let's all take Blindboy seriously now...

Sky King

People do know this is a character right? And not an actual person?

Does it strike anyone else as strange that a made-up persona with a fake voice, parody accent and a fking plastic bag on his head is treated like a normal, regular person in debates and current affairs TV shows? And given the same credibility and respect as an actual real person?

Imagine Fr. Dougal Mcguire, Dustin the Turkey and Fortycoats appearing our incisive current affairs shows discussing mental health with Alan Partridge adjudicating.

Or discussing the 8th amendment and feminism with Mrs Brown, The Bottler and Podge and Rodge? It would be treated like a joke (obviously), but when the prank phone call making, glue-huffing, spastic hawk-toting Blindboy talks serious we all suddenly have to sit up take it seriously.

If I was asked to debate on the same show as a parody character I'd be more than a little pissed off.

By all means share your story on mental health or offer an opinion on our education system. But for fk sake would you give us and the other people on the show the respect of doing it yourself, in a real voice? Without a fking bag on your head?

Alternatively if you prefer holding on to the bag, you could try going back to... you know... being funny. And less preachy.

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Baggly

weldoninhio wrote:

So its a case of "Listen to me waffle on about my problems" with a disclaimer of if it doesn't work for you, not my problem.

Hold on are you talking about BB or the church here.

optogirl

weldoninhio wrote: »

So its a case of "Listen to me waffle on about my problems" with a disclaimer of if it doesn't work for you, not my problem.

The only thing Dave Chambers cares about with his pseudo-psychobabble is Dave Chambers bank account.

I really don't get the hatred for him - can you not just decide not to listen to him? You are not obliged to listen or enjoy or take any heed of what he has to say. You don't expect him to provide entertainment for free do you? Of course he cares about his bank account -- why shouldn't he? His podcast has been number 1 in the podcast charts for 16 weeks so obviously there are plenty of people who do like to listen to him 'waffling'.

weldoninhio

Cienciano wrote: »

One of my top 3 podcasts at the moment. I don't agree with everything he says. Some people seem to think if you're not agreeing with him 100% you can't listen, the podcast is sh and blindboy is a charlatan. As for mental health issues, he always says everyone is different and different shworks for everyone. Yee caaauuunnnts

So its a case of "Listen to me waffle on about my problems" with a disclaimer of if it doesn't work for you, not my problem.

The only thing Dave Chambers cares about with his pseudo-psychobabble is Dave Chambers bank account.

Realt Dearg Sec

Cienciano wrote: »

When typing brief history of man on planet earth, just remember that this is a thread about a lad from Limerick who wears a plastic bag on his head.

Touché!

Cienciano

When typing brief history of man on planet earth, just remember that this is a thread about a lad from Limerick who wears a plastic bag on his head.

Realt Dearg Sec

Raven Rancid Slime wrote: »

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Neither of you have the first fcuking clue about history.

My post is a mixture of Wikipedia content and what I remember from a long time ago in school. Not an expert but AFAIK it’s all correct. Do you care to contribute something more interesting than random abuse?

Saying that everything is horrible in the Dark ages (or referring to it as the dark ages at all) is not all correct. History is a complex discipline, and making any kind of assertion about even a small part of it requires careful deliberation and even more careful qualification of any evaluation of its significance. Both of you are making huge, massively inaccurate and grating generalisations about multiple centuries and vast swathes of the Earth, boiling them all down to a sentence or two that have nothing to do with history and everything to do with half baked agendas to do with religion. It's insulting to everyone's intelligence.

Quite clearly the so-called dark ages were an era of massive flourishing of scholarship and art in many parts of Europe, usually led by the church. The notion that it wasn't is complete nonsense. Franz's history is, to be fair to you, even more nonsensical. Describing Vikings as illiterate, and ascribing all civilising tendencies (whatever way that's defined, but doesn't have much to do with the actual behavior of Christian leaders towards fellow human beings) to the influence of Christianity, is beyond insulting.

As the saying goes, you can have your own opinions, but you can't have your own facts. Work away having pops at each other about religion or whatever floats your boat, but don't call this agenda-pedaling and ill-informed bickering "history".

s7ryf3925pivug

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Neither of you have the first fcuking clue about history.

My post is a mixture of Wikipedia content and what I remember from a long time ago in school. Not an expert but AFAIK it’s all correct. Do you care to contribute something more interesting than random abuse?

Realt Dearg Sec

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Raven Rancid Slime wrote: »

Classical and Hellenistic periods of Ancient Greece. 500-146 BC. No Christianity

Roman Republic. 510-27 BC. No Christianity.

Roman Empire. 27 BC-476AD. Christianity emerges. Most importantly it is adapted as the official religion of the empire during the fourth century, establishing it as the main religion in western civilization today.

Dark Ages. 476-1500AD. Lots of Christianity. Everything is horrible. Civilization and technology that flourished in the aforementioned periods regress terribly.

Renaissance. 1300-1700 AD. People study Ancient Greece and Rome and make huge progress societally, scientifically and culturally. Leads to the modern age. Emergence of humanism. Still lots of Christianity to do things like kill Galileo. Reformation and counter rueformation make the Catholic Church less horrific and corrupt.

That’s history for half wits. The dark ages was a time of Christian retrenchment, for instance attacks by vikings and other illiterate pagan groups like the Anglo Saxon invasion of Britain.

Europe becomes more civilised during the early Middle Ages as it Christianises. Literacy improves and universities were founded.

The renaissance (which didn’t start in 1300 but did start in catholic countries a bit later) and the reformation were both Christian events happening within Christianity. Christianity had to be there for either to happen as both required literacy.

And nobody killed Gallelio.

Neither of you have the first fcuking clue about history.

s7ryf3925pivug

Deleted User wrote: »

Who's to say the Earth isn't at the center of the universe?..

Actually I think the contradiction was that the scripture said Earth doesn’t move while Galileo said it travels around the sun.

Otherwise, not going to bother responding to the silly contention or joke or whatever it is.

[Deleted User]

Who's to say the Earth isn't at the center of the universe?..

s7ryf3925pivug

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

That’s history for half wits. The dark ages was a time of Christian retrenchment, for instance attacks by vikings and other illiterate pagan groups like the Anglo Saxon invasion of Britain.

Europe becomes more civilised during the early Middle Ages as it Christianises. Literacy improves and universities were founded.

The renaissance (which didn’t start in 1300 but did start in catholic countries a bit later) and the reformation were both Christian events happening within Christianity. Christianity had to be there for either to happen as both required literacy.

And nobody killed Gallelio.

Checking it, I see he was house arrest for last nine years of his life and threatened with torture if he didn’t withdraw his heretical observations that the earth is not the center of the universe, because that contradicts Christian scripture. All his writings were banned, with a preemptive blanket ban on anything he ever would write.

My recoollection had been that they made him drink poison. Must have confused that with someone else. Silly me - I see they just locked him up for all his life for contradicting a line in the Bible, which you apparently think is groovy.

The Vikings were able to raid because they were technologically advanced. Not sure why you think monasteries were somehow superior to naval pioneers that reached the Americas well before Columbus. As Orwell pointed out, you only get the luxury of pacifism if you have guys with weapons somewhere to protect you. Anglo saxons were not illiterate.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Danjamin1 wrote: »

That sounds interesting as you usually hear it going the other way, spiritual until reaching the age of reason. Was it a particular incident that caused you to develop spiritually? Happened to my dad, was never very spiritual but developed a bit of faith in later life.

I think he was a literal stoned pilot. A few near death experiences later he found god.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Raven Rancid Slime wrote: »

Classical and Hellenistic periods of Ancient Greece. 500-146 BC. No Christianity

Roman Republic. 510-27 BC. No Christianity.

Roman Empire. 27 BC-476AD. Christianity emerges. Most importantly it is adapted as the official religion of the empire during the fourth century, establishing it as the main religion in western civilization today.

Dark Ages. 476-1500AD. Lots of Christianity. Everything is horrible. Civilization and technology that flourished in the aforementioned periods regress terribly.

Renaissance. 1300-1700 AD. People study Ancient Greece and Rome and make huge progress societally, scientifically and culturally. Leads to the modern age. Emergence of humanism. Still lots of Christianity to do things like kill Galileo. Reformation and counter rueformation make the Catholic Church less horrific and corrupt.

That’s history for half wits. The dark ages was a time of Christian retrenchment, for instance attacks by vikings and other illiterate pagan groups like the Anglo Saxon invasion of Britain.

Europe becomes more civilised during the early Middle Ages as it Christianises. Literacy improves and universities were founded.

The renaissance (which didn’t start in 1300 but did start in catholic countries a bit later) and the reformation were both Christian events happening within Christianity. Christianity had to be there for either to happen as both required literacy.

And nobody killed Gallelio.

s7ryf3925pivug

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Western civilisation would be very different, probably non existent.

Classical and Hellenistic periods of Ancient Greece. 500-146 BC. No Christianity

Roman Republic. 510-27 BC. No Christianity.

Roman Empire. 27 BC-476AD. Christianity emerges. Most importantly it is adapted as the official religion of the empire during the fourth century, establishing it as the main religion in western civilization today.

Dark Ages. 476-1500AD. Lots of Christianity. Everything is horrible. Civilization and technology that flourished in the aforementioned periods regress terribly.

Renaissance. 1300-1700 AD. People study Ancient Greece and Rome and make huge progress societally, scientifically and culturally. Leads to the modern age. Emergence of humanism. Still lots of Christianity to do things like kill Galileo. Reformation and counter reformation make the Catholic Church less horrific and corrupt.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Colonel Claptrap wrote: »

You ignore that millions of lives have been harmed rather than 'healed' by this belief. Depression, addiction and mental illness pale in comparison to the atrocities carried in Jesus Christ's name.

Weigh it up. Do you think the world would have been better or worse if the gospel never proliferated?

Western civilisation would be very different, probably non existent.

Cienciano

One of my top 3 podcasts at the moment. I don't agree with everything he says. Some people seem to think if you're not agreeing with him 100% you can't listen, the podcast is shíte and blindboy is a charlatan. As for mental health issues, he always says everyone is different and different shít works for everyone. Yee caaauuunnnts

The Moldy Gowl

Stonedpilot wrote: »

They most certainly aren't where you get your information from?.

Where you read that, certainly not in the Bible lad!.

You think God isn't real that's fine knock yourself out. I use to be atheist till I reached the age of reason.

You mean the age of condescending?

Sorry you are right, the pope is his representative on earth right?
Priests and bishops must be his little helpers? Or what's the correct terminology?

Danjamin1

Stonedpilot wrote: »

They most certainly aren't where you get your information from?.

Where you read that, certainly not in the Bible lad!.

You think God isn't real that's fine knock yourself out. I use to be atheist till I reached the age of reason.

That sounds interesting as you usually hear it going the other way, spiritual until reaching the age of reason. Was it a particular incident that caused you to develop spiritually? Happened to my dad, was never very spiritual but developed a bit of faith in later life.

JohnnyFlash

Stonedpilot wrote: »

They most certainly aren't where you get your information from?.

Where you read that, certainly not in the Bible lad!.

You think God isn't real that's fine knock yourself out. I use to be atheist till I reached the age of reason.

No harm in believing in god if it makes you happy. Did you reach this insight after partaking in shedloads Of mind altering substances???

Stonedpilot

The Moldy Gowl wrote: »

Sure aren't they gods representatives on earth?
God isn't real, believe all you want and that's grand but no young man or woman would turn to god as a salvation. When you mention god, everyone associates that with Christianity, which is a poison.

Prayer/meditation is good as it gives you time to be with yourself and deal with stuff that way.
It's basically what bb is saying but without putting yourself at the mercy of god, you are putting yourself at the mercy of you.

In that case I'm off to set up a less hurt, more yurt cult. Let me know when you feel my yurt and their devine intervention.

They most certainly aren't where you get your information from?.

Where you read that, certainly not in the Bible lad!.

You think God isn't real that's fine knock yourself out. I use to be atheist till I reached the age of reason.

Colonel Claptrap

Stonedpilot wrote: »

Blindboy called the gospel 'fiction' on Tommy Tiernan. My problem with this is millions the World over have said Sanctification from Jesus Christ is the ONLY way to be freed of that emptiness of depression and addiction. It does not matter one jot what what your opinion is of Christ but it has helped millions, just like at the ten's of thousands of testimonies online. It's helped them so much. Many people have personally told me.
What gives him authority to insult Christ?. For someone who is about raising awareness on mental health he is astonishingly biased and ignorant.

You ignore that millions of lives have been harmed rather than 'healed' by this belief. Depression, addiction and mental illness pale in comparison to the atrocities carried in Jesus Christ's name.

Weigh it up. Do you think the world would have been better or worse if the gospel never proliferated?

The Moldy Gowl

Stonedpilot wrote: »

Like I said each to their own and what they think but the countless testimonies from people are there to be seen on God's help in this world.

Erm sorry did I mention the Catholic Church???. No.

Anyone who has felt God's presence certainly wouldn't bother with the Catholic Church. In fact in Matthew 23 Jesus condemned religion and religious teachers as such!.

It's crazy to think Catholic Church = God.

That's basically sheer naivety and or extreme ignorance. :rolleyes:

Sure aren't they gods representatives on earth?
God isn't real, believe all you want and that's grand but no young man or woman would turn to god as a salvation. When you mention god, everyone associates that with Christianity, which is a poison.

Prayer/meditation is good as it gives you time to be with yourself and deal with stuff that way.
It's basically what bb is saying but without putting yourself at the mercy of god, you are putting yourself at the mercy of you.

In that case I'm off to set up a less hurt, more yurt cult. Let me know when you feel my yurt and their devine intervention.

s7ryf3925pivug

Stonedpilot wrote: »

Blindboy called the gospel 'fiction' on Tommy Tiernan. My problem with this is millions the World over have said Sanctification from Jesus Christ is the ONLY way to be freed of that emptiness of depression and addiction. It does not matter one jot what what your opinion is of Christ but it has helped millions, just like at the ten's of thousands of testimonies online. It's helped them so much. Many people have personally told me.
What gives him authority to insult Christ?. For someone who is about raising awareness on mental health he is astonishingly biased and ignorant. He will point blank ignore ANYONE who states divine intervention or sanctification from Christ in helping them. Blinkered beyond belief.

Why does he feel the need to attack Christ by saying the Gospels are fiction?. It's not his place.

It's astonishing anyone can listen to him. If he had balls he'd listen to folk who have been helped by God. He's too proud, full of himself and ignorant to do so.

Here's former East End Enforcer, Gangster and Drug Dealer John Pridmore on finding Christ.

Here's a fun experiment I heard the other day: While talking about Jesus, replace the word Lord with Overlord. These are interchangeable terms so the meaning of what you say is not changed.

Another less fun experiment is to chat to people experiencing severe psychiatric episodes. The amount they talk about god and the devil can be striking. Often they are being punished, or perceive some sort of spiritual war. These ideas may lead to violence against themselves or others.

Religious conviction is frequently an aggravating factor in psychosis. It actively discourages critical, ordered thinking about religious topics and encourages fantastical ideas, so this is where the delusions manifest.

Insight into their condition is often vital for recovery so this sort of blindspot in their critical thinking can be grievously harmful.

Stonedpilot

GerryDerpy wrote: »

Where abouts did you feel His presence?

You mean the first time or now?.

How specific ya want?. Geographic coordinates?. :cool:

Baggly

Stonedpilot wrote:

Anyone who has felt God's presence certainly wouldn't bother with the Catholic Church. In fact in Matthew 23 Jesus condemned religion and religious teachers as such!.

I hear blindboy cites his own book to back up his points as well.

GerryDerpy

Stonedpilot wrote: »

Like I said each to their own and what they think but the countless testimonies from people are there to be seen on God's help in this world.

Erm sorry did I mention the Catholic Church???. No.

Anyone who has felt God's presence certainly wouldn't bother with the Catholic Church. In fact in Matthew 23 Jesus condemned religion and religious teachers as such!.

It's crazy to think Catholic Church = God.

That's basically sheer naivety and or extreme ignorance. :rolleyes:

Where abouts did you feel His presence?

Stonedpilot

The Moldy Gowl wrote: »

Because it is fiction.
Far more dangerous putting your faith in some higher power rather than putting faith in yourself.

You get the same outcome but without adding to the misery of the Catholic church.

Like I said each to their own and what they think but the countless testimonies from people are there to be seen on God's help in this world.

Erm sorry did I mention the Catholic Church???. No.

Anyone who has felt God's presence certainly wouldn't bother with the Catholic Church. In fact in Matthew 23 Jesus condemned religion and religious teachers as such!.

It's crazy to think Catholic Church = God.

That's basically sheer naivety and or extreme ignorance. :rolleyes:

GerryDerpy

Stonedpilot wrote: »

Blindboy called the gospel 'fiction' on Tommy Tiernan. My problem with this is millions the World over have said Sanctification from Jesus Christ is the ONLY way to be freed of that emptiness of depression and addiction. It does not matter one jot what what your opinion is of Christ but it has helped millions, just like at the ten's of thousands of testimonies online. It's helped them so much. Many people have personally told me.
What gives him authority to insult Christ?. For someone who is about raising awareness on mental health he is astonishingly biased and ignorant. He will point blank ignore ANYONE who states divine intervention or sanctification from Christ in helping them. Blinkered beyond belief.

Why does he feel the need to attack Christ by saying the Gospels are fiction?. It's not his place.

It's astonishing anyone can listen to him. If he had balls he'd listen to folk who have been helped by God. He's too proud, full of himself and ignorant to do so.

Here's former East End Enforcer, Gangster and Drug Dealer John Pridmore on finding Christ.

We all kinda know that God isn’t real though...

snotboogie

Raven Rancid Slime wrote: »

It's like giving an intelligent rebuttal to chemtrail and lizard man conspiracy theories.
I cannot give an intelligent rebuttal to the notion that many influential people are in fact shape shifting lizards. It's just obviously a paranoid fantasy. Kinda like the idea that Western thinkers are all secret Communists trying to subvert civilization.

He doesn't say that though does he? He asserts that Marxists are vastly overrepresented in North American academia and conservatives are vastly underrepresented, which is true: https://www.academia.org/self-identifying-marxist-professors-outnumber-conservatives-as-college-professors/

He is extremely weak on religion though, I wanted to pull my ears out after listing to 10 minutes of his verbal and mental gymnastics on the topic on Sam Harris' podcast

The Moldy Gowl

Because it is fiction.
Far more dangerous putting your faith in some higher power rather than putting faith in yourself.

You get the same outcome but without adding to the misery of the Catholic church.