johnnyskeleton wrote: » While that guy does seem to be an unpleasant sort, Im not sure that having separate awareness campaigns for men and women is a good thing. Obviously the clinical issues can be different for both, but if its raising awareness I think its wrong to raise the issue for men to the exclusion of women. I also think that international mens day is a bit of a silly idea. Its too general and as such leads to confusion, resulting in odd messages from the rubberbands about genital hygene and crying!
Middle Man wrote: » ...and it's also wrong of females to raise health and wellbeing issues to the exclusion of men! ...if an international men's day is silly, then so too is International Women's Day!
johnnyskeleton wrote: » International womens day is about women not being allowed to vote, dress how they want, retain their genital intact etc in various different parts of the world. The stuff about mansplaining, manspreading tumbler feminism etc is silly, and its a shame that it seems to gain traction in America (and by proxy, the rest of the West). If that was what international womens day was about, or if it was about raising non-gender specific issues as being gender specific then Id agree it would be silly. But no I dont think international womens day is silly. As long as there are places in the world whose laws discriminate against women based solely or mainly on their gender, there is a need for a specific campaign for womens rights.
Middle Man wrote: ...what an arsehole IMHO! Men have just as much right to raise concerns about their wellbeing as women do!
Middle Man wrote: » In most day to day situations of ordinary people, men and women are equal and feminism has served its purpose.
In fact, the radical feminism is doing great damage regarding the perception of women by creating a them and us situation - this vacuum creates very ideal conditions for the promotion of neo-machismo ideology.
johnnyskeleton wrote: International womens day is about women not being allowed to vote, dress how they want, retain their genital intact etc in various different parts of the world. The stuff about mansplaining, manspreading tumbler feminism etc is silly, and its a shame that it seems to gain traction in America (and by proxy, the rest of the West). If that was what international womens day was about, or if it was about raising non-gender specific issues as being gender specific then Id agree it would be silly. But no I dont think international womens day is silly. As long as there are places in the world whose laws discriminate against women based solely or mainly on their gender, there is a need for a specific campaign for womens rights.
johnnyskeleton wrote: Also agree. Modern western feminism is basically cultural marxism whether its individual participants intend it to be or not. Basically, the idea is to divide society over any percieved issue and then present solutions to gain support.
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » Oh no no! You're dead wrong . That line of argument would be valid if men and women had no legitimate issues of concern in Ireland today. But they do. Men have genuine issues that affect them, and so do women. If you think the difference in health outcomes, education, suicide, work related accidents, treatment in the penal system, family courts, aren't important to men, then your point might stand. I do think those points are important and should be addressed so I think you're wrong on that.
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » If you took that view seriously, you'd also end up arguing against the men's right movement too. I think the men's rights movement is important and I don't hold it against feminists for want of to promote their issues either.
It's not your dad's football team. You don't have to pick a side and pretend they're flawless while the other side is meritless.
johnnyskeleton wrote: » Obviously the clinical issues can be different for both, but if its raising awareness I think its wrong to raise the issue for men to the exclusion of women.!
lazybones32 wrote: » I think it is essential to raise awareness seperately. Men communicate, think and act differently to women, so a 'one size fits all' approach won't work. Putting women in a circle to talk will work; men prefer to speak shoulder to shoulder. Look at ads aimed towards women and compare them to ads aimed towards men. Very different audience. Specific tact and approach necessary.
johnnyskeleton wrote: » Again, those are reasons to treat them differently in a clincial setting. It isnt a good enough reason to campaign separately for mental health issues. To my mind, making it about gender takes away from the message.
johnnyskeleton wrote: » Those issues are important to people. Theyre not gender issues though. It is an important but often overlooked fact that just because there is a difference in outcomes doesnt mean that there has been discrimination. I really dont see how this is in any way controverisal.
johnnyskeleton wrote: » See above where I called international mens day a bit silly. I dont agree with the mens rights movement either, for the exact same reasons. It's not your dad's football team. You don't have to pick a side and pretend they're flawless while the other side is meritless. Can you show me where I did any of that?
silverharp wrote: » also given that the environment is so pro feminist , I don't think it would be helpful to have male issues filtered through feminist language and ideas. Do you really want to hear male suicide being linked to "partriarchy" and toxic masculinity which if you round it up seems to be "why don't men behave more like women <sigh>"
Middle Man wrote: » ...what an arsehole IMHO! Men have just as much right to raise concerns about their wellbeing as women do!
johnnyskeleton wrote: » Also agree. Modern western feminism is basically cultural marxism whether its individual participants intend it to be or not. Basically, the idea is to divide society over any percieved issue and then present solutions to gain support.
iptba wrote: » https://twitter.com/F4JOfficial/status/932019716171927552http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/shocking-sosmandown-campaign-highlights-mental-11544705
iptba wrote: » Here's the latest batch of gender-related hashtags I have noticed trending for anyone interested (I know some are not) (Aside: I'm not on Twitter 24/7 of course and don't look back at lists for when I wasn't on) #InternationalMensDay #BWOTY17 Business Woman of the Year Awards #NoSmallChange National Women’s Council of Ireland event on gender pay gap #GenderMatters@EducateTogether Gender Matters Ethical Education Conference. incl. gender and sports #FemFest Taoiseach Leo Varadkar is in Liberty Hall opening the @NWCI’;s #FemFest. The young women, aged 16 to 25, gathering in Liberty Hall will discuss women in #leadership, violence against women, #health #equality and #reproductiverights among other issues affecting #women. #16Days2017 Action to Eliminate Violence Against Women and Girls #SfBWomenInSport@SportforBusines Women in Sport Conference
Calhoun wrote: » Dont see anything wrong with the last one.
Calhoun wrote: » Who posted the link though?
iptba wrote: » #morewomen@women4election Xmas year end review Women for Election is a non-partisan non-profit that trains women to enter politics. On same hashtag, an Irish person quoted this article: "when women win elections, everyone wins"https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/06/iceland-women-government-better-for-mothers-america-lessonshttps://twitter.com/DeirdreMortell/status/941017102370197506
iptba wrote: » https://twitter.com/women4election/status/941032294202183680
