The government has published a new map outlining in detail 700,000 rural homes and businesses which will be connected to state-subsidised broadband of at least 30 megabits per second (Mbs) from 2016.
turbbo wrote: » BS! The only reason Eir are rolling out fibre to the 300k is because Mobile and 4G - the NBP has had no influence on them, in fact they(Eir) have had an influence on the delay of an NBP. None of my neighbours use landlines or copper anymore - they've become obsolete with the speeds that can be got on 4g and mobile it has removed the need for a landline.
turbbo wrote: » they've become obsolete with the speeds that can be got on 4g and mobile it has removed the need for a landline.
oscarBravo wrote: » If 4G is such a panacea, why not get a 4G connection for a household with several 4k TVs and a couple of modern consoles? If 4G is the answer, why are so many people on here waiting with bated breath for a fibre connection? I thought we had moved past the bizarre idea that a mobile connection was an adequate substitute for proper infrastructure, but it seems the painful lessons of the NBS still haven't been learned.
MajesticDonkey wrote: » Now that right there is BS.
turbbo wrote: » BS! The only reason Eir are rolling out fibre to the 300k is because Mobile and 4G - the NBP has had no influence on them.
Ultimanemo wrote: » 4G is no match to fixed broadband, but for many people like myself , this is the best we can get. NBP is scaring companies so they can't invest in 4G or even 5G technology, So neither we got Fibre nor there is a hope that we will get better mobile broadband and we know this NBP is a joke. We are stuck
turbbo wrote: » My point was that 4g and mobile has pushed Eir into action on all the crap copper connections that are 10 miles away from an exchange. Before 4g they sat on their arses. 4g is of course not adequate but it's better than the crap Eir were flogging before fibre.
Ultimanemo wrote: » NBP is scaring companies so they can't invest in 4G or even 5G technology...
oscarBravo wrote: » 5G technology doesn't exist, because the standards haven't been ratified yet
Siena Gigantic Backyard wrote: » You have made this assertion several times now. What evidence do you have that the NBP has made companies reluctant to invest in newer technologies? then there was the €78m spent by five companies earlier this year in the 3.6Ghz auction, both occurring in the shadow of the NBP.
Ultimanemo wrote: » This is not investment, this is tax imposed on them. I don't understand this, Why the government taxes companies who are trying to build a broadband network and and subsidizing another company for NBP. If the government wants better infrastructure for broadband why do they take €78 as tax from companies who are trying to build those infrastructure
Imagine is currently spending more than €1 million a month on the national rollout of its 4G long-term evolution (LTE) network. Currently, it has 50 live sites across the State. It plans to grow this to 400 sites within three years, courtesy of a €300 million war chest stumped up by existing shareholders and new investors, plus cashflow from the business.
Ultimanemo wrote: » May be but there is a small chance it will be here in 5 years.https://www.siliconrepublic.com/comms/ireland-5g NBP Forget about
BandMember wrote: » I've read some rubbish on this thread, but that statement is pretty much top of the list now.... :rolleyes:
Siena Gigantic Backyard wrote: » You have made this assertion several times now. What evidence do you have that the NBP has made companies reluctant to invest in newer technologies? I have already mentioned eir's €200m investment, then there was the €78m spent by five companies earlier this year in the 3.6Ghz auction, both occurring in the shadow of the NBP.
Ultimanemo wrote: » If this is the case, that shouldn't have been allowed, or eir should have been given the NBP contract from day one. now it will make other companies bidding for NBP contract just waste of time.
Gonzo wrote: » 4g is no match for any fixed line broadband/fibre unless you are an extremely light user who just reads emails and light social media usage because of the tiny data caps.
The Cush wrote: » 5G will most likely be launched here in mid 2020 when the 700 MHz band becomes available to the MNOs. Unfortunately it's still radio spectrum based so there will be a point where demand will exceed available capacity and contrary to Minister Naughten's wish that the licences be awarded on a geographic coverage basis rather than a population coverage, Comreg's position doesn't appear to be as clear cut. I live in an area where 2G reception is mediocre and 3G/4G is practically non existent, where eir's 300k fibre rollout stops less than a km from me. My expectation is that I'll have access to NBP FTTH before 5G is ever available in our area.
turbbo wrote: » :rolleyes: not having a go at ftth or fttc or in fact ADSL if it's above 10mbs. However there is a massive population of internet users in Ireland who have decided to move from a crappy 2/3mb connection to 4G. Because it's better and cheaper. I am one of them. I would love to have a option of a better fixed line service but I don't. So again don't take this as an attack on fixed line quality service - it's an attack on the crap that Eir have been peddling in rural areas for years and are still peddling.
The Cush wrote: » I live in an area where 2G reception is mediocre and 3G/4G is practically non existent, where eir's 300k fibre rollout stops less than a km from me. My expectation is that I'll have access to NBP FTTH before 5G is ever available in our area.
Ultimanemo wrote: » I feel your pain as I am in the same boat with marginal 4G cover But I am afraid this is wishful thinking,they are just kicking the can, if they were serious about NBP they would have started it with the 300K
Johnboy1951 wrote: » Not sure what you mean by this
Siena Gigantic Backyard wrote: » It confused me too. I assume they mean eir or the government should have started the NBP rollout when starting the 300K plan. Whichever entity they are referring to it shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the process as eir most likely would not have the manpower or funding to undertake such a task the legality of which could be questioned. Likewise the Department cannot willy-nilly decide to undermine their own procurement process by starting a rollout when tenders have not even been submitted yet.
turbbo wrote: » 200m here 78m there - this is not serious investment -- it's patch work. Consider what the spend is on the HSE for 1 year - go and paste "HSE annual budget" into google. I know there are apples and oranges however it puts into some sort of perspective the type of investment required to be serious about providing a world class communications network on this island. FFS it cost 500m to build a dual carriageway from gort to tuam. It's time people woke up to the fact that broadband in ireland is way down on any politicians list because they don't see it as a priority and like all politicians it's all short term planning.
listermint wrote: » It is very much a 'ss' tbh. 3 years and tenders are not even in. Laughable , we are out there trying to attract business to Ireland post brexit and we dont seem to visualize BB infrastructure as serious capital investment.We should be trying to foster small local business nationwide not looking to roll out the easiest 300k locations first. Yes the difficult work should have been up front and the tenders should have been decided in year 1.
listermint wrote: » It is very much a 'ss' tbh. 3 years and tenders are not even in. Laughable , we are out there trying to attract business to Ireland post brexit and we dont seem to visualize BB infrastructure as serious capital investment. We should be trying to foster small local business nationwide not looking to roll out the easiest 300k locations first. Yes the difficult work should have been up front and the tenders should have been decided in year 1.
Johnboy1951 wrote: » We ?? The 300k roll out is a commercial scheme by eir and is completely separate to the NBP, which is to be a subsidised roll out.
